Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Howard Cosell]

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Raptors are now even more primed to be 3rd team in trades to acquire SG/PG to fill up their roster as they need to get ready to S&T Lowry and move him out of Toronto.

[shrink]

I also should mention that a good ORL a poster pointed out that even though they are rebuilding, they probably don’t want to bring in three rookies all at once, so they could pick #5 and #8, and trade #33. He suggested a future 1st, which I doubt any team would do, especially MIN. However, if they wanted to continue with a young prospect who isn’t a rookie, I thought Jaylen Nowell on his vet MIn deal, or Josh Okogie and his Bird rights might fit. I don’t know what type of player their roster will need.

[SO_MONEY]

I also should mention that a good ORL a poster pointed out that even though they are rebuilding, they probably don’t want to bring in three rookies all at once, so they could pick #5 and #8, and trade #33. He suggested a future 1st, which I doubt any team would do, especially MIN. However, if they wanted to continue with a young prospect who isn’t a rookie, I thought Jaylen Nowell on his vet MIn deal, or Josh Okogie and his Bird rights might fit. I don’t know what type of player their roster will need.

Why would we give up Nowell for #33 in a shallow draft? He is probably nearly as young if not younger than anyone we would draft and has demonstrated a level of skill. Okogie on the other hand makes sense to a team who needs a defensive wing without long-term commitment.

[shrink]

I also should mention that a good ORL a poster pointed out that even though they are rebuilding, they probably don’t want to bring in three rookies all at once, so they could pick #5 and #8, and trade #33. He suggested a future 1st, which I doubt any team would do, especially MIN. However, if they wanted to continue with a young prospect who isn’t a rookie, I thought Jaylen Nowell on his vet MIn deal, or Josh Okogie and his Bird rights might fit. I don’t know what type of player their roster will need.

Why would we give up Nowell for #33 in a shallow draft? He is probably nearly as young if not younger than anyone we would draft and has demonstrated a level of skill. Okogie on the other hand makes sense to a team who needs a defensive wing without long-term commitment.

As it stands, we don’t have the minutes to continue to develop Nowell, and he’s too good to get sent back to the G-League. Rosas has shown he can find talent in the draft, and he may be able to lock into a new player on that full four-year Gupta special. And I think Rosas and the scouting staff would love a pick somewhere in this draft.

[Klomp]

I also should mention that a good ORL a poster pointed out that even though they are rebuilding, they probably don’t want to bring in three rookies all at once, so they could pick #5 and #8, and trade #33. He suggested a future 1st, which I doubt any team would do, especially MIN. However, if they wanted to continue with a young prospect who isn’t a rookie, I thought Jaylen Nowell on his vet MIn deal, or Josh Okogie and his Bird rights might fit. I don’t know what type of player their roster will need.

Why would we give up Nowell for #33 in a shallow draft? He is probably nearly as young if not younger than anyone we would draft and has demonstrated a level of skill. Okogie on the other hand makes sense to a team who needs a defensive wing without long-term commitment.

Nowell is entering his final season before restricted free agency.

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I also should mention that a good ORL a poster pointed out that even though they are rebuilding, they probably don’t want to bring in three rookies all at once, so they could pick #5 and #8, and trade #33. He suggested a future 1st, which I doubt any team would do, especially MIN. However, if they wanted to continue with a young prospect who isn’t a rookie, I thought Jaylen Nowell on his vet MIn deal, or Josh Okogie and his Bird rights might fit. I don’t know what type of player their roster will need.

Why would we give up Nowell for #33 in a shallow draft? He is probably nearly as young if not younger than anyone we would draft and has demonstrated a level of skill. Okogie on the other hand makes sense to a team who needs a defensive wing without long-term commitment.

Nowell is entering his final season before restricted free agency.

Right. Let me make this clearer, since it’s a little confusing.

For both Nowell and Naz, we have a team option for next season at $1,782,621, and a team option for 2022-23 for $1,930,681. However, the CBA has a rule to protect good second rounders from that extra year of cheap servitude. In Summer of 2022, we can waive the team option, and sign them as restricted free agents. If we refuse, and keep them for their 2022-23 season, they become full unrestricted free agents in 2023.

I should also mention that Naz, Nowell, and Okogie all become eligible for extensions this summer, until Oct. 31. I think we have talks with Naz, but I would have no idea right now what we would offer Nowell. Remember, there was a long stalemate on his first contract, and I’m sure by getting the smallest contract possible, he’d want to get some reliable money going forward.

[SO_MONEY]

I also should mention that a good ORL a poster pointed out that even though they are rebuilding, they probably don’t want to bring in three rookies all at once, so they could pick #5 and #8, and trade #33. He suggested a future 1st, which I doubt any team would do, especially MIN. However, if they wanted to continue with a young prospect who isn’t a rookie, I thought Jaylen Nowell on his vet MIn deal, or Josh Okogie and his Bird rights might fit. I don’t know what type of player their roster will need.

Why would we give up Nowell for #33 in a shallow draft? He is probably nearly as young if not younger than anyone we would draft and has demonstrated a level of skill. Okogie on the other hand makes sense to a team who needs a defensive wing without long-term commitment.

Nowell is entering his final season before restricted free agency.

Then perhaps sign him...right? Or use him in a deal as added value, you don't trade him for below value...yet anyways. If the deadline comes up you can make the decision on the picks available via trade or to roll the dice. This is not the draft to jump into. And isn't he extension eligible his final year anyway? So not all is lost on that front if we go that direction, correct? I don't think this is when there is urgency and with Nowell, you kind of want to see what happens with Beasley as well.

[Dewey]

Why would we give up Nowell for #33 in a shallow draft? He is probably nearly as young if not younger than anyone we would draft and has demonstrated a level of skill. Okogie on the other hand makes sense to a team who needs a defensive wing without long-term commitment.

Nowell is entering his final season before restricted free agency.

Right. Let me make this clearer, since it’s a little confusing.

For both Nowell and Naz, we have a team option for next season at $1,782,621, and a team option for 2022-23 for $1,930,681. However, the CBA has a rule to protect good second rounders from that extra year of cheap servitude. In Summer of 2022, we can waive the team option, and sign them as restricted free agents. If we refuse, and keep them for their 2022-23 season, they become full unrestricted free agents in 2023.

I should also mention that Naz, Nowell, and Okogie all become eligible for extensions this summer, until Oct. 31. I think we have talks with Naz, but I would have no idea right now what we would offer Nowell. Remember, there was a long stalemate on his first contract, and I’m sure by getting the smallest contract possible, he’d want to get some reliable money going forward.

I wouldnt lose sleep over letting any of them go. If Reid was a willing defender I would keep for a fair price. Okogie and Nowell are easily replaceable

[shangrila]

My only thing there is I'd imagine we could aim higher. Teams like Denver or the Nets should have interest in flipping their late 1st for a guy like Okogie, while I can't really imagine Houston turning down Culver for 24 or 23.

[gandlogo]

My only thing there is I'd imagine we could aim higher. Teams like Denver or the Nets should have interest in flipping their late 1st for a guy like Okogie, while I can't really imagine Houston turning down Culver for 24 or 23.

I wouldn't mind Okogie to the Nets for Nicolas Claxton - but I doubt that gets it done.

[SO_MONEY]

Nowell is entering his final season before restricted free agency.

Right. Let me make this clearer, since it’s a little confusing.

For both Nowell and Naz, we have a team option for next season at $1,782,621, and a team option for 2022-23 for $1,930,681. However, the CBA has a rule to protect good second rounders from that extra year of cheap servitude. In Summer of 2022, we can waive the team option, and sign them as restricted free agents. If we refuse, and keep them for their 2022-23 season, they become full unrestricted free agents in 2023.

I should also mention that Naz, Nowell, and Okogie all become eligible for extensions this summer, until Oct. 31. I think we have talks with Naz, but I would have no idea right now what we would offer Nowell. Remember, there was a long stalemate on his first contract, and I’m sure by getting the smallest contract possible, he’d want to get some reliable money going forward.

I wouldnt lose sleep over letting any of them go. If Reid was a willing defender I would keep for a fair price. Okogie and Nowell are easily replaceable

Ehhh. I think Nowell is pretty good. Okogie is replaceable, Nowell is much harder and he is two years into his development process. I don't buy you trade him now.

[winforlose]

My only thing there is I'd imagine we could aim higher. Teams like Denver or the Nets should have interest in flipping their late 1st for a guy like Okogie, while I can't really imagine Houston turning down Culver for 24 or 23.

I would do that in a heartbeat. Gives us cap space and a first round pick and dumps a useless player. Culver has potential, but his game is broken right now. There are too many talented young player ahead of him for us to even try to fix him. Also, I hope this is a lesson to Rosas and the FO that even high draft picks sometimes need to spend some time in the G league to learn the game before being thrown to the proverbial wolves (no pun intended.)

[IceManBK1]

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4 team trade?

Ibaka(PO picked up) and beasley goes to philly
kemba to clippers
simmons and patrick beverley to Min
Rubio, Culver, Danny Green(sign and trade, maybe 1+1 with TO) protected 1st(Min), Protected 1st(Clippers) to OKC

76ers:becomes a lethal 3 pt shooting team
Curry
Beasley
Tobias Harris
Ibaka
Embiid

Clippers:gets a true star pg, sth they been lacking for a while
Kemba
PG13
Kawaii
Marcus Morris
Zubac

Min:Improves on defense
Dlo
Edwards
McDaniels
Simmons
Towns

OKC: Rubio's exp K. Culver=young player who can still pan out. 2 first round picks to unload Kemba. Rubio and Green's contract will expire in 2022 if Green signs a 1+1.

[Baseline81]

My only thing there is I'd imagine we could aim higher. Teams like Denver or the Nets should have interest in flipping their late 1st for a guy like Okogie, while I can't really imagine Houston turning down Culver for 24 or 23.

I honestly can not see a team trading a first round pick for Culver, especially when you consider his salary.

[shangrila]

My only thing there is I'd imagine we could aim higher. Teams like Denver or the Nets should have interest in flipping their late 1st for a guy like Okogie, while I can't really imagine Houston turning down Culver for 24 or 23.

I honestly can not see a team trading a first round pick for Culver, especially when you consider his salary.

I specifically mentioned Houston because of their situation.

They're a young, rebuilding team. They have some capspace but not enough to do something meaningful with (only 12mil). They've also got 3 1sts and might not want all 3 rookies on their roster.

Culver has his issues but he's still got some potential there. For a young rebuilding team, giving up 1 of 2 late 1sts for a chance at a lottery pick from only 2 years ago seems like a good bet.

[chrbal]

My only thing there is I'd imagine we could aim higher. Teams like Denver or the Nets should have interest in flipping their late 1st for a guy like Okogie, while I can't really imagine Houston turning down Culver for 24 or 23.

I don’t think either player has the kind of value you think they have. Both guys are essentially expiring contracts. Josh is less, but he’s a known commodity at this point. Culver has a little more upside but he’ll eat up $6 million.

If the Thunder offer one of there early 2nds for culver, they should take it. I can’t honestly imagine any other teams that would come close to that offer.

Saying Houston offered 24, again doubtful, you’d have to take dj augustin back. Which I thought with the wolves being close to the tax, I think, would defeat what I thought was a main reason for trading culver.

[Foye]

Only $94 million next season.

90, 94, 97 or 100 whatever.
He is not going to do that. Going for Simmons means D-Lo will be dealt.

Not saying he is not willing to invest...but Taylor has always been tight with money.

I really don’t know why this fallacy continues to exist.

The Wolves don’t draw fans when they aren’t a contender, and that’s when Taylor doesn’t go into the lux. That’s what most owners do. Most owners are also leery of three max deals without a top 10 player among them. However, when MIN has been a legit contender, Taylor has always been willing to spend, like when he went over the lux with Spree and Cassell. In the past, Taylor was also the guy that spent so much on a contract (Garnett), that the other owners got scared, and instituted max deals in the CBA. Finally, Taylor went over the lux the year before last, even without a contender, to let Rosas complete all the trades he wanted. And this season, he allowed Rosas to go into the lux to offer max deals to Crowder and Derrick Jones Jr - they just chose other teams.

I am not a huge fan of the higher prices I’ve heard mentioned for Ben Simmons. I feel Simmons would be tremendous defensively, but his inability to shoot would stifle Towns and Edwards, by leaving Ben’s opposing defender stacked underneath. However, Taylor never seemed to me to be the stumbling block. If anything, his age would encourage him to add Simmons, gain wins, and go out on a more positive note for his legacy.

Don't know what to do with this...you seem to agree with me he is not going to accept 3 max deals for Towns, D-Lo and Simmons because neither is a top 10 player but somehow decided to make a large paragraph out of it?

As I said, he is willing to invest (which aren't always the smartest investments re: Wiggins) but at the same time he is tight with his money. Won't overspend a penny if he doesn't think it's worth it.

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Beasley+Rubio+2 protected 1sts>brogdon+1st

[jpatrick]

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Beasley+Rubio+2 protected 1sts>brogdon+1st

Maybe but Brogdon is pretty damn good. I like the Turner/Simmons pairing at C/PF too although they’d have to move Sabonis, who does not fit with Simmons at all.

Any chance Indy would consider something like this:

MN in: Simmons
Out: Beasley, Rubio, #1s x2

Philly in: Beasley, Brogdon
Out: Simmons

Ind in: Rubio, #1s x2
Out: Brogdon

I think this is the only way we get a Simmons deal done, moving picks for a win now guard with some creation ability: Brogdon, Ball, Lowry, etc.

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Beasley+Rubio+2 protected 1sts>brogdon+1st

Maybe but Brogdon is pretty damn good. I like the Turner/Simmons pairing at C/PF too although they’d have to move Sabonis, who does not fit with Simmons at all.

Any chance Indy would consider something like this:

MN in: Simmons
Out: Beasley, Rubio, #1s x2

Philly in: Beasley, Brogdon
Out: Simmons

Ind in: Rubio, #1s x2
Out: Brogdon

I think this is the only way we get a Simmons deal done, moving picks for a win now guard with some creation ability: Brogdon, Ball, Lowry, etc.

Yea Rosas should defly engage ind and Philly with this deal. He is exactly what they need. Brogdon underrated high iq efficient shooter.