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Post#221 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:58 pm

YaleS wrote:In an attempt to fix the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) Gobert deal we will end up destroying the team. We cant move Gobert because it will be instant admission of failure and the return will be laughable. So we will move KAT at his lowest price ever, who fits way better with Ant and is overall better player. After missing a ton of games and sucking in the playoffs again, KATs value cant be worse

I'm not worried about the Ant thing. With his work ethic, I think we'll start seeing dividends next season.

While you won't be trading Towns at his peak value, that's kinda the point. If he was at his peak value, we wouldn't be talking about trading him.
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Post#222 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:20 pm

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Klomp wrote:If Connelly were to blow up the experiment, I still wonder if Portland might be an interesting trade partner. They have an interesting mix of youngish players with upside along with decent contracts. I think while maybe not a natural PG, Simons is someone who I think could fit alongside Edwards. Can't say I'd be excited about helping a division rival though.

A team like Chicago could offer an attractive young wing in Williams to team up with McDaniels. Same story with Toronto.


I was very high on Williams before the draft but this last two years I haven't watch Bulls. Is he some kind of bust?

A few things I'm looking at with Chicago...

1. Towns-LaVine relationship.
2. Vucevic is a UFA. They need to fill a hole there.
3. I think Chicago will fee pressure to make some sort of move.
4. Williams was in same draft class as Ant and Jaden, and is actually three weeks younger than Ant.
5. Low volume, but career 41% on 3-pointers. Coming into the league had good defensive reputation.

A question for shrink...will Towns have any sort of poison pill next year, with it being the last season before his extension kicks in?
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Post#223 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:37 pm

minimus wrote:Towns for Giddey, Isaiah Joe, 2024 HOU, 2024 UTA, 2026 HOU FRP picks

OKC is an interesting idea. I don't know if they would do a deal like this, but I think it has definite merit.

Towns and Holmgren is a better fitting frontcourt than Towns and Gobert, and we all know about their dearth of size. Will OKC be able to get the most out of Giddey if he's next to SGA? That's something they need to ask themselves. But I like giving Shai more scoring help.

We have to look at contracts and cap space though. OKC should have the flexibility to add Towns, but I wonder if more money would need to be added.
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Post#224 » by frankenwolf » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:03 pm

I think all of you "Trade KAT, trade Gobert" people are nuts. Let's trash the experiment basically 1/2 way through the season. Time is a great healer and remedy. Yup, this team looks bad right now and the excuses are numerous, but let's let the rest of this season go and focus on what next year may look like.

TBH - I don't see Connelly trading anybody. He will roll with what he has and pray that the health issues are behind us. I would, at this point.
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Post#225 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:03 pm

frankenwolf wrote:I think all of you "Trade KAT, trade Gobert" people are nuts. Let's trash the experiment basically 1/2 way through the season. Time is a great healer and remedy. Yup, this team looks bad right now and the excuses are numerous, but let's let the rest of this season go and focus on what next year may look like.

TBH - I don't see Connelly trading anybody. He will roll with what he has and pray that the health issues are behind us. I would, at this point.


My main point to come back with is that I don't believe that KAT and Gobert is the only possible iteration a team can go big with in this "experiment."
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Post#226 » by m2002brian » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 pm

It’s not the KAT Gobert “experiment”

It wasn’t a KAT and Wiggins and Jimmy experiment
It wasn’t a KAT Wiggins Lavine experiment
It wasn’t a KAT Ant Dlo experiment.

Quit with the “experiment” bs.

The only “experiment” that matters is the playoff game experiment.

He’s a bad fit, who gets his numbers during the regular season (if he stays healthy) and then disappears in the playoffs.

Us trade KAT guys are the opposite of what the forum says about us. We’re the ones who see the big picture, the vision to see the patterns and disregard the good game here or there. We see it doesn’t work, even when KAT is scoring 30 and we’re beating OKC. Kats game is not sustainable for a team that strives to be as successful as a champion.
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Post#227 » by urinesane » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 pm

frankenwolf wrote:I think all of you "Trade KAT, trade Gobert" people are nuts. Let's trash the experiment basically 1/2 way through the season. Time is a great healer and remedy. Yup, this team looks bad right now and the excuses are numerous, but let's let the rest of this season go and focus on what next year may look like.

TBH - I don't see Connelly trading anybody. He will roll with what he has and pray that the health issues are behind us. I would, at this point.


You don't think 31 games is a big enough sample size?

Why are you trying to be logical?

:lol:

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Post#228 » by m2002brian » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:12 pm

Look at why Golden State traded, at the time, one of the best scorers in the nba Monta Morris.

Btw Monta was no slouch. It was time to start a new era and the old era had to go.
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Post#229 » by Baseline81 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:17 pm

m2002brian wrote:It’s not the KAT Gobert “experiment”

It wasn’t a KAT and Wiggins and Jimmy experiment
It wasn’t a KAT Wiggins Lavine experiment
It wasn’t a KAT Ant Dlo experiment.

Quit with the “experiment” bs.

The only “experiment” that matters is the playoff game experiment.

He’s a bad fit, who gets his numbers during the regular season (if he stays healthy) and then disappears in the playoffs.

Us trade KAT guys are the opposite of what the forum says about us. We’re the ones who see the big picture, the vision to see the patterns and disregard the good game here or there. We see it doesn’t work, even when KAT is scoring 30 and we’re beating OKC. Kats game is not sustainable for a team that strives to be as successful as a champion.

Due to his poor defense, posters have been asking whether Towns could play PF for several years. Thus, playing two centers in today's NBA was an experiment -- attempting to zig when others zag.
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Post#230 » by lewdog » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 pm

urinesane wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:I think all of you "Trade KAT, trade Gobert" people are nuts. Let's trash the experiment basically 1/2 way through the season. Time is a great healer and remedy. Yup, this team looks bad right now and the excuses are numerous, but let's let the rest of this season go and focus on what next year may look like.

TBH - I don't see Connelly trading anybody. He will roll with what he has and pray that the health issues are behind us. I would, at this point.


You don't think 31 games is a big enough sample size?

Why are you trying to be logical?

:lol:

The knee jerks around here are why I post like 5% the amount I used to.

You’re probably right. But it is so incredibly painful knowing what we gave up (for Gobert) and watching this product ALL season (remember the early San Antonio & late Portland games). You’ve got to admit, this product and the results are not what any of us we were expecting when the season started.
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Post#231 » by urinesane » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:53 pm

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urinesane wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:I think all of you "Trade KAT, trade Gobert" people are nuts. Let's trash the experiment basically 1/2 way through the season. Time is a great healer and remedy. Yup, this team looks bad right now and the excuses are numerous, but let's let the rest of this season go and focus on what next year may look like.

TBH - I don't see Connelly trading anybody. He will roll with what he has and pray that the health issues are behind us. I would, at this point.


You don't think 31 games is a big enough sample size?

Why are you trying to be logical?

:lol:

The knee jerks around here are why I post like 5% the amount I used to.

You’re probably right. But it is so incredibly painful knowing what we gave up (for Gobert) and watching this product ALL season (remember the early San Antonio & late Portland games). You’ve got to admit, this product and the results are not what any of us we were expecting when the season started.


Oh no doubt, it was absolutely brutal at times... but anyone that has learned something new or attempted something they weren't naturally good at with the intention of becoming great, has had to deal with massive failure and extremely uncomfortable experiences. The difference between success and failure is usually based on those willing to push through the failure and discomfort, regardless of a lack of gratification in the interim.

We saw a team trying to not only adapt to a massive style shift, but also to their top guy being out for 52 games.

Most of us were expecting a 50+ win team and one that could make at least the 2nd round of the playoffs. The thing is, those expectations were based on the assumption that A.) they would adapt to Gobert relatively quickly. B.) That they wouldn't have major injury issues. C.) They would take what they learned from PatBev and keep the spark they had from last season and build it into a fire.

With those assumptions proving to be false, and how incredibly inconsistent this team was (shown by beating some of the best teams in the NBA on the road and losing to some of the worst at home)... based on the fact that it's taken a LONG time for most of the roster to adapt to Gobert's style of play AND their best player coming into the season missed 52 games... 42 wins sort of feels like a miracle (in hindsight).

Just think back, if you'd known those two factors going into it, what would our expectations have been? A playoff appearance and winning season would have seemed like quite the feat. It's just that they never really gave us much time to enjoy ourselves, because every winning streak was followed by a mind numbing losing streak, rinse and repeat. This was a very uncomfortable season for everyone involved.

The thing is... if we are upset/disappointed by this team, it's because we set expectations that were not based in reality. Then when reality showed us the truth, the level of pain/frustration is proportional to the difference between what you expected and what was (and how quickly you were able to reconcile the difference between the two).

If you didn't allow yourself to get too high or too low, it's a bit of a wash of a season, but all things considered it's been positive (mainly for the development of Ant, McDaniels, and Naz). The people crying the hardest for Finch's head, KAT/Gobert to be traded, Connelly to be ran out of town etc, also tend to be the people that had the highest expectations for this team (which as we have seen were based in hope, not reality) and rather than adapting to reality, are stuck trying to reconcile those expectations that were never met.

The thing that doesn't seem to get mentioned... I'm pretty sure if they had just run it back again this year (like many have wished for at times during the season) and KAT still misses 52 games, they are not in the playoffs right now. Which means they would probably be sh*tting on Connelly either way (though I don't think getting Gobert was a mistake, the overpay certainly was).
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#232 » by Dewey » Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:20 am

“IF” there’s a way to draft a player we can put next to Ant and McD - do it.
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Post#233 » by lewdog » Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:21 am

urinesane wrote:
lewdog wrote:
urinesane wrote:
You don't think 31 games is a big enough sample size?

Why are you trying to be logical?

:lol:

The knee jerks around here are why I post like 5% the amount I used to.

You’re probably right. But it is so incredibly painful knowing what we gave up (for Gobert) and watching this product ALL season (remember the early San Antonio & late Portland games). You’ve got to admit, this product and the results are not what any of us we were expecting when the season started.


Oh no doubt, it was absolutely brutal at times... but anyone that has learned something new or attempted something they weren't naturally good at with the intention of becoming great, has had to deal with massive failure and extremely uncomfortable experiences. The difference between success and failure is usually based on those willing to push through the failure and discomfort, regardless of a lack of gratification in the interim.

We saw a team trying to not only adapt to a massive style shift, but also to their top guy being out for 52 games.

Most of us were expecting a 50+ win team and one that could make at least the 2nd round of the playoffs. The thing is, those expectations were based on the assumption that A.) they would adapt to Gobert relatively quickly. B.) That they wouldn't have major injury issues. C.) They would take what they learned from PatBev and keep the spark they had from last season and build it into a fire.

With those assumptions proving to be false, and how incredibly inconsistent this team was (shown by beating some of the best teams in the NBA on the road and losing to some of the worst at home)... based on the fact that it's taken a LONG time for most of the roster to adapt to Gobert's style of play AND their best player coming into the season missed 52 games... 42 wins sort of feels like a miracle (in hindsight).

Just think back, if you'd known those two factors going into it, what would our expectations have been? A playoff appearance and winning season would have seemed like quite the feat. It's just that they never really gave us much time to enjoy ourselves, because every winning streak was followed by a mind numbing losing streak, rinse and repeat. This was a very uncomfortable season for everyone involved.

The thing is... if we are upset/disappointed by this team, it's because we set expectations that were not based in reality. Then when reality showed us the truth, the level of pain/frustration is proportional to the difference between what you expected and what was (and how quickly you were able to reconcile the difference between the two).

If you didn't allow yourself to get too high or too low, it's a bit of a wash of a season, but all things considered it's been positive (mainly for the development of Ant, McDaniels, and Naz). The people crying the hardest for Finch's head, KAT/Gobert to be traded, Connelly to be ran out of town etc, also tend to be the people that had the highest expectations for this team (which as we have seen were based in hope, not reality) and rather than adapting to reality, are stuck trying to reconcile those expectations that were never met.

Seriously, such a reasonably well thought out take. Kudos to you!! Saying that, there has to be a point when one can say, “this just isn’t working”. And I know it’s a hard question, but what is the appropriate sample size when one can fairly criticize what they see that is right in front of them?
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Post#234 » by urinesane » Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:55 am

lewdog wrote:
urinesane wrote:
lewdog wrote:You’re probably right. But it is so incredibly painful knowing what we gave up (for Gobert) and watching this product ALL season (remember the early San Antonio & late Portland games). You’ve got to admit, this product and the results are not what any of us we were expecting when the season started.


Oh no doubt, it was absolutely brutal at times... but anyone that has learned something new or attempted something they weren't naturally good at with the intention of becoming great, has had to deal with massive failure and extremely uncomfortable experiences. The difference between success and failure is usually based on those willing to push through the failure and discomfort, regardless of a lack of gratification in the interim.

We saw a team trying to not only adapt to a massive style shift, but also to their top guy being out for 52 games.

Most of us were expecting a 50+ win team and one that could make at least the 2nd round of the playoffs. The thing is, those expectations were based on the assumption that A.) they would adapt to Gobert relatively quickly. B.) That they wouldn't have major injury issues. C.) They would take what they learned from PatBev and keep the spark they had from last season and build it into a fire.

With those assumptions proving to be false, and how incredibly inconsistent this team was (shown by beating some of the best teams in the NBA on the road and losing to some of the worst at home)... based on the fact that it's taken a LONG time for most of the roster to adapt to Gobert's style of play AND their best player coming into the season missed 52 games... 42 wins sort of feels like a miracle (in hindsight).

Just think back, if you'd known those two factors going into it, what would our expectations have been? A playoff appearance and winning season would have seemed like quite the feat. It's just that they never really gave us much time to enjoy ourselves, because every winning streak was followed by a mind numbing losing streak, rinse and repeat. This was a very uncomfortable season for everyone involved.

The thing is... if we are upset/disappointed by this team, it's because we set expectations that were not based in reality. Then when reality showed us the truth, the level of pain/frustration is proportional to the difference between what you expected and what was (and how quickly you were able to reconcile the difference between the two).

If you didn't allow yourself to get too high or too low, it's a bit of a wash of a season, but all things considered it's been positive (mainly for the development of Ant, McDaniels, and Naz). The people crying the hardest for Finch's head, KAT/Gobert to be traded, Connelly to be ran out of town etc, also tend to be the people that had the highest expectations for this team (which as we have seen were based in hope, not reality) and rather than adapting to reality, are stuck trying to reconcile those expectations that were never met.

Seriously, such a reasonably well thought out take. Kudos to you!! Saying that, there has to be a point when one can say, “this just isn’t working”. And I know it’s a hard question, but what is the appropriate sample size when one can fairly criticize what they see that is right in front of them?


I think you need a full season (with reasonable health). Good teams show themselves over an 82 game season (and so do bad teams). At times, this team looked like they could be one of the best in the league, and at other times one of the worst. Which to most would mean they are just a .500 team, but consistency tends to come with time and familiarity with each other. Not a single roster since KAT was drafted has had the kind of continuity/depth necessary to take advantage of the benefits that come with a team full of guys that have played a lot together.

Right now it's tough to make a good assessment just based on the fact that most of the season was a patch work of guys just trying to make it work and hold down the fort until KAT got back (which happened later than nearly everyone expected).

Not saying we should be thrilled with this season's result, or that this will for sure work. I am just saying that at this point it cannot be known that it is indeed a failure. Which means we should let them have a full season before making drastic moves (none of which will help the team by next season, but can definitely tank it's future potential if selling low on either KAT or Gobert).

I also try to avoid getting too into the ups and downs. Depending on the result of the day you can be totally high on their potential, or think we should blow it up outside of Ant/McD. Which is not the type of mindset to have to build a consistent winner.
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Post#235 » by cmoss84 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:22 am

If you could acquire Mikal Bridges for KAT...but had to take on Simmons in the trade as well, would you do it?
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Post#236 » by cmoss84 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:31 am

...let's say something like:
Wolves get Bridges, Simmons, x draft picks
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KAT, Prince, Moore, Jmac, and Knight
(Not sure if this us anywhere close; Ben would replace Naz and we probably would not have enough for NAW)
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Post#237 » by TimberKat » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:35 am

cmoss84 wrote:If you could acquire Mikal Bridges for KAT...but had to take on Simmons in the trade as well, would you do it?

No, only because I like to give the Twin Towers at least 1/2 season more. I do feel Towns had regressed the last couple years. I am not sure what his go to move is anymore. If it doesn't work by mid-season 23/24, then won't mind take on Simmons's salary for 1.5 year. It's realistically 1 yr, because will use it as expiring bait in 24/25. Also, he is out on back injury, so, salary it's covered by insurance anyway.
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Post#238 » by Baseline81 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:42 am

urinesane wrote:Oh no doubt, it was absolutely brutal at times... but anyone that has learned something new or attempted something they weren't naturally good at with the intention of becoming great, has had to deal with massive failure and extremely uncomfortable experiences. The difference between success and failure is usually based on those willing to push through the failure and discomfort, regardless of a lack of gratification in the interim.

We saw a team trying to not only adapt to a massive style shift, but also to their top guy being out for 52 games.

Most of us were expecting a 50+ win team and one that could make at least the 2nd round of the playoffs. The thing is, those expectations were based on the assumption that A.) they would adapt to Gobert relatively quickly. B.) That they wouldn't have major injury issues. C.) They would take what they learned from PatBev and keep the spark they had from last season and build it into a fire.

With those assumptions proving to be false, and how incredibly inconsistent this team was (shown by beating some of the best teams in the NBA on the road and losing to some of the worst at home)... based on the fact that it's taken a LONG time for most of the roster to adapt to Gobert's style of play AND their best player coming into the season missed 52 games... 42 wins sort of feels like a miracle (in hindsight).

Just think back, if you'd known those two factors going into it, what would our expectations have been? A playoff appearance and winning season would have seemed like quite the feat. It's just that they never really gave us much time to enjoy ourselves, because every winning streak was followed by a mind numbing losing streak, rinse and repeat. This was a very uncomfortable season for everyone involved.

The thing is... if we are upset/disappointed by this team, it's because we set expectations that were not based in reality. Then when reality showed us the truth, the level of pain/frustration is proportional to the difference between what you expected and what was (and how quickly you were able to reconcile the difference between the two).

If you didn't allow yourself to get too high or too low, it's a bit of a wash of a season, but all things considered it's been positive (mainly for the development of Ant, McDaniels, and Naz). The people crying the hardest for Finch's head, KAT/Gobert to be traded, Connelly to be ran out of town etc, also tend to be the people that had the highest expectations for this team (which as we have seen were based in hope, not reality) and rather than adapting to reality, are stuck trying to reconcile those expectations that were never met.

The thing that doesn't seem to get mentioned... I'm pretty sure if they had just run it back again this year (like many have wished for at times during the season) and KAT still misses 52 games, they are not in the playoffs right now. Which means they would probably be sh*tting on Connelly either way (though I don't think getting Gobert was a mistake, the overpay certainly was).

Regarding the underline, uh, what? There was a poll at the beginning of the season that asked where the Wolves end up. I believe the majority thought a top-4 seed. And rightfully so, no one can deny this is one of the most talented teams we've seen in franchise history. Last year's squad was a 7th seed.

Here's the thing, even with Towns' injury, Minnesota still had a reasonable chance at making fourth -- finished 3 games back of Phoenix. How many times did we see the team lose to lesser opponents, specifically the dross of the league? If you need a prime example, the team's game against Portland, who rested every starter. If Finch and the players could have got up for those games, expectations would have been met.

Remember, this year hasn't been a typical season for the Western Conference. It was there to be had, and a team like Sacto took it while the Wolves faltered.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#239 » by TimberKat » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:01 am

Baseline81 wrote:
urinesane wrote:
The thing is... if we are upset/disappointed by this team, it's because we set expectations that were not based in reality. Then when reality showed us the truth, the level of pain/frustration is proportional to the difference between what you expected and what was (and how quickly you were able to reconcile the difference between the two).

If you didn't allow yourself to get too high or too low, it's a bit of a wash of a season, but all things considered it's been positive (mainly for the development of Ant, McDaniels, and Naz). The people crying the hardest for Finch's head, KAT/Gobert to be traded, Connelly to be ran out of town etc, also tend to be the people that had the highest expectations for this team (which as we have seen were based in hope, not reality) and rather than adapting to reality, are stuck trying to reconcile those expectations that were never met.

Regarding the underline, uh, what? There was a poll at the beginning of the season that asked where the Wolves end up. I believe the majority thought a top-4 seed. And rightfully so, no one can deny this is one of the most talented teams we've seen in franchise history. Last year's squad was a 7th seed.

Here's the thing, even with Towns' injury, Minnesota still had a reasonable chance at making fourth -- finished 3 games back of Phoenix. How many times did we see the team lose to lesser opponents, specifically the dross of the league? If you need a prime example, the team's game against Portland, who rested every starter. If Finch and the players could have got up for those games, expectations would have been met.

Remember, this year hasn't been a typical season for the Western Conference. It was there to be had, and a team like Sacto took it while the Wolves faltered.

Agree with the expectations, if we weren't expecting a top 4 seed, then why made the Gobert trade? Also, we did have more than the usual bad opportunities missed games. SAC was lucky, if Fox or Sabonis was out as long as Towns, I think they would have the same season record as Wolves and NOP. It's expectations met if we go the 5th seed which is just 2 more wins against the losers.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#240 » by minimus » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:51 am

Klomp wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:I think all of you "Trade KAT, trade Gobert" people are nuts. Let's trash the experiment basically 1/2 way through the season. Time is a great healer and remedy. Yup, this team looks bad right now and the excuses are numerous, but let's let the rest of this season go and focus on what next year may look like.

TBH - I don't see Connelly trading anybody. He will roll with what he has and pray that the health issues are behind us. I would, at this point.


My main point to come back with is that I don't believe that KAT and Gobert is the only possible iteration a team can go big with in this "experiment."


Well, there are a few point that makes me think that we should at least listen offers.

1) Towns injury log. He used to be an ironman in his first years, but last injury terrified me. Not an injury itself, but how problematic recovery process was

2) before this season I was expecting a lot from Towns in terms of decision making. Yes, he has improved as passer every year, but as decision maker he is still not great. See example, when Towns missed a simple skip pass, that Jokic regularly does.

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Decision making is crucial because it helps to scale production again different matchups: it helps to keep defense honest by balancing between passing, shooting, slashing, cutting etc. Otherwise it will result in forced shots and turnovers. So many Towns offensive fouls are simply his bad decisions.

3) I am upset by MCD dumb behaviour (broken hand), but I am literarily shocked by how he has improved in offense (see my post in his thread viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2105609&start=360)

He was basically unplayable in team offense in his first year in NBA. during second year Finch benched him because of lack of offense. This year the leap he has made is impressive. In the beginning of this season he was shadowed by first by Towns-Gobert experiment, that DLo offensive explosion. BUT. Then we traded DLo, with Conley AND without Towns he was more active in offense, then Edwards went down, Naz went down. And in last games before injury MCD had many strong performances (15.4 ppg, 50% FG, 48% 3PT + elite defense).

He looked like legit 2nd, 3rd star, and according to new CBA we can offer him 5 yr deal. Should we? I mean everyone me included thought that our two stars are Towns and Edwards, but what if MCD-Edwards would be a better investment?

5) we should consider trading Towns before his extension kicks. After that it will be difficult to find matching offer.

P.S. Last but not least. I think we all should ABSOLUTELY root for SAC. If they beat GSW and go further, I wonder maybe one team will be inspired with five-out experiment with offensive minded bigman. Then Towns is a logical traded partner and we can get a win-win offer, just like Sabonis-Haliburton swap, when Sabonis played twin towers with Turner, but ended up an offensive hub for the best NBA offense this year.

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