June 26-27, 2024 - Draft Days Thread (second round starts 3 pm)

[Klomp]

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

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[Neeva]

For those that complained the Gobert trade had drained all our picks, we just had two 1st round picks in one year. It's too bad we couldn't package both those picks for something even bigger (maybe that is coming later in the summer).

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

With Ant our Future is NOW.

[MN7725]

From Sam Vecenie

Since 2008, there have only been 11 seniors selected with an assist rate (AST/TO) of 1.2 or worse, per Bart Torvik’s database: Buddy Hield, Jimmer Fredette, Chris Duarte, Ochai Agbaji, Matisse Thybulle, Marshon Brooks, Quincy Pondexter, Lazar Hayward, Davon Reed, Carrick Felix and Orlando Johnson. Hield and Thybulle are the only two hits in that group.

Terrence Shannon Jr AST/TO: 1.14

Vecenie has talked extensively about Shannon. Doesn’t like him. Thinks despite his age has a really poor feel for the game. For the modern game, need high BBIQ guys that move the ball quickly.

I like his scoring ability though, and I can’t imagine how much that sexual assault charge hanging over his head causes him to lack focus this year.

Booooo, Scheierman is gone. Such a Boston pick. High BBIQ. Great shooter.

yeah, there are basketball-related concerns with Shannon.
Very very sticky with the ball, did not have caliber of production over his first 4 years to be drafted.

Ball movement absolutely critical in Finch's system, Sheierman may have been a better fit for us.
We need to add more high IQ guys, BBIQ is something we struggle mightily with when things are not going well.

just have to hope there is buy-in with a player that is picked that low
defend, shoot open shots, run the floor, move the ball to better players
be Derrick Jones Jr for Dallas essentially

[winforlose]

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

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I cannot agree with this enough. This is the exact way to think of it. The issue is young players come in cheap and are easier to keep around. That said, as they develop we can move some young talent for more draft assets. Having a young core and a young development group at the same time is building for the future. The continuity bonus alone makes it worthwhile before you even look any deeper. Look at how Naz and JMAC benefited from playing together for years in Iowa before coming up. I like this approach for both win and now and build later.

[Nick K]

From Sam Vecenie

Since 2008, there have only been 11 seniors selected with an assist rate (AST/TO) of 1.2 or worse, per Bart Torvik’s database: Buddy Hield, Jimmer Fredette, Chris Duarte, Ochai Agbaji, Matisse Thybulle, Marshon Brooks, Quincy Pondexter, Lazar Hayward, Davon Reed, Carrick Felix and Orlando Johnson. Hield and Thybulle are the only two hits in that group.

Terrence Shannon Jr AST/TO: 1.14

This definitely isn't a Vecenie draft for us

Dillingham 15
Shannon 39

yeah, Sam's my guy, he puts in a ton of work

but for what the Wolves need at this point, for next few seasons, can't really argue with the picks, I doubt even Sam will

I like Sam too but here really are no experts. You never read about how often these guys are wrong. I'll take my chances with Tim Connelly.

I love both our picks tonight. Both of these guys are NBA ready. I love Shannon's ability to will the ball into the net. He's a powerhouse driver. Super athletic with size!

This is a home run draft. We got our PG of the future. Who could have imagined that going in tonight.

[Nick K]

For those that complained the Gobert trade had drained all our picks, we just had two 1st round picks in one year. It's too bad we couldn't package both those picks for something even bigger (maybe that is coming later in the summer).

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

There is no time like the present. Now IS the time to go all in!

[MN7725]

This definitely isn't a Vecenie draft for us

Dillingham 15
Shannon 39

yeah, Sam's my guy, he puts in a ton of work

but for what the Wolves need at this point, for next few seasons, can't really argue with the picks, I doubt even Sam will

I like Sam too but here really are no experts. You never read about how often these guys are wrong. I'll take my chances with Tim Connelly.

I love both our picks tonight. Both of these guys are NBA ready. I love Shannon's ability to will the ball into the net. He's a powerhouse driver. Super athletic with size!

This is a home run draft. We got our PG of the future. Who could have imagined that going in tonight.

it was more the history of the players that had had the TO/AST than Sam's opinion

they have to view the players more in a vacuum than how a certain team can put them in a position to succeed and be the best version of themselves

as I said, can't argue with the picks/moves for where the Wolves are at. I expect Sam will say that even not being super high on the players as others

[jpatrick]

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

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I get what he’s saying but the only guys that I’d consider core guys on that list are Edwards, McDaniels, and Dillingham. Unless we really cut salary, we can’t afford NAW/Naz, and next will be their last season in MN.

Clark, Minott, and Clark were all second round picks, which are always a long shot, that have a chance but have shown nothing to this point. Moore is a bust. Spagnolo is not an NBA player. And Shannon was just a late FRP as a 23 year old, we shall see.

There is a very good chance that at some point we’re going to be giving up a high pick to someone, just having a bunch of younger players on the roster doesn’t mean we’re going to be good for the next seven years (but it’d be nice).

[thinktank]

Clark and Miller will play at some point.

[winforlose]

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

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I get what he’s saying but the only guys that I’d consider core guys on that list are Edwards, McDaniels, and Dillingham. Unless we really cut salary, we can’t afford NAW/Naz, and next will be their last season in MN.

Clark, Minott, and Clark were all second round picks, which are always a long shot, that have a chance but have shown nothing to this point. Moore is a bust. Spagnolo is not an NBA player. And Shannon was just a late FRP as a 23 year old, we shall see.

There is a very good chance that at some point we’re going to be giving up a high pick to someone, just having a bunch of younger players on the roster doesn’t mean we’re going to be good for the next seven years (but it’d be nice).

29 and 30 are protected. Pick swap in 26 seems unlikely to convey unless a serious injury occurs. So what are we really talking about? 25, 27, and 31. 25 should be a bad pick. If it isn’t then that is a major let down, again probably due to injury. 27, more of a gamble, but I see us keeping Naz and NAW and moving KAT or Rudy. Don’t forget the cap will see a jump with the TV money coming in and that will help pay the young core as well. Moore is likely on his way out. That still leaves Minott, Miller, Clarke, Dillingham, and Shannon (half of the roster basically,) as guys developing for the future. They will be around winning basketball. Moreover, TC has a track record of finding hidden gems at the 2nd round or undrafted level. I think the ring chasers are the variable we need to keep an eye on.

[Nick K]

We have traded away 4 future FRPs and two swaps, so we have mortgaged our future to try and win now. So go big or flame out.

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I get what he’s saying but the only guys that I’d consider core guys on that list are Edwards, McDaniels, and Dillingham. Unless we really cut salary, we can’t afford NAW/Naz, and next will be their last season in MN.

Clark, Minott, and Clark were all second round picks, which are always a long shot, that have a chance but have shown nothing to this point. Moore is a bust. Spagnolo is not an NBA player. And Shannon was just a late FRP as a 23 year old, we shall see.

There is a very good chance that at some point we’re going to be giving up a high pick to someone, just having a bunch of younger players on the roster doesn’t mean we’re going to be good for the next seven years (but it’d be nice).

Who says they can't afford them? It's not your money. They can afford it. We're not talking the penny pinching Pohlad's here.

Believe me they have the money all figured out before making these deals.

[karch34]

I think we get two of the best players in first round tbh. I hate that they are bringing up Shannon’s legal
Issues since he was found innocent.

Guarantee he will be asked about it when introduced to local media....probably by KSTP

lol. Ain’t going to be Fox 9 as Jim Rich is still spit shining Glen’s sack.

To Neeva’s point it is u fair but that’s narrative on why a talent dropped. McDaniels was a top HS player but his fouls and techs at Washington were part of why he dropped and is part of the narrative.

[Nick K]

Some more on Shannon.... from The Ringer.

"From The Ringer.

"Shades Of Tyreke Evans

Skilled scorer with a relentless downhill mentality.

" PLUSES

Thrives pushing the pace in transition. He uses bursts of speed to get by defenses for lefty layups at the basket.

He’s a good at-rim scorer with slick footwork, and he finishes with craft at the basket.

In the half court, he's an aware cutter and loves to catch and go with straight-line drives to the rim. He needs little space to rise over defenders for dunks.

An improved handle helps him get into pick-and-rolls and pull-up 3s. Though he’s not a lead creator, he can reliably make kick-out passes or find a cutter.

He's made 79 percent of his free throws in college and has good touch near the rim, though he needs to prove he can hit from the field.

Defends with an explosive athleticism that allows him to make highlight plays like chase-down blocks or fly-in rebounds from the perimeter. He displays solid defensive fundamentals, which could allow him to earn NBA minutes right away."
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It looks to me he's just the kind of guy we can use. He's 6'6" 220 with a 6'9 wing span. He shot 36.2 from 3 on 6 attempts per game. He put up 23 pts per game with a 62% TS%. I'll take that any day.

The guy was one of the best players in college ball last year. Any player can be picked apart but one has to acknowledge the positives too...of which there are many.

[jpatrick]

So what are we looking for at for 37?

Shooters: Furphy, Christie, Djurisic (not really a pure shooter)

Combo forward to replace Slo-Mo: Klintman, Ingram

Backup shot blocker: Bona

Shooting big: Filipowski, Tyler Smith

I don’t think we’re taking another PG but Kolek…

Other?

[karch34]

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I get what he’s saying but the only guys that I’d consider core guys on that list are Edwards, McDaniels, and Dillingham. Unless we really cut salary, we can’t afford NAW/Naz, and next will be their last season in MN.

Clark, Minott, and Clark were all second round picks, which are always a long shot, that have a chance but have shown nothing to this point. Moore is a bust. Spagnolo is not an NBA player. And Shannon was just a late FRP as a 23 year old, we shall see.

There is a very good chance that at some point we’re going to be giving up a high pick to someone, just having a bunch of younger players on the roster doesn’t mean we’re going to be good for the next seven years (but it’d be nice).

29 and 30 are protected. Pick swap in 26 seems unlikely to convey unless a serious injury occurs. So what are we really talking about? 25, 27, and 31. 25 should be a bad pick. If it isn’t then that is a major let down, again probably due to injury. 27, more of a gamble, but I see us keeping Naz and NAW and moving KAT or Rudy. Don’t forget the cap will see a jump with the TV money coming in and that will help pay the young core as well. Moore is likely on his way out. That still leaves Minott, Miller, Clarke, Dillingham, and Shannon (half of the roster basically,) as guys developing for the future. They will be around winning basketball. Moreover, TC has a track record of finding hidden gems at the 2nd round or undrafted level. I think the ring chasers are the variable we need to keep an eye on.

Agree. Think national big picture is with Rudy and Conley we’re viewed as older win now, in 2nd apron, with little maneuverability. But we have a lot of younger cheap players too and if one or two break out combined with the natural development and playoff scars of Ant, McD, Naz, and NAW there’s some good potential of great things before a lot of pieces hit their prime. Dillingham locker between Ant and Conley seems ideal to me in theory.

[karch34]

So what are we looking for at for 37?

Shooters: Furphy, Christie, Djurisic (not really a pure shooter)

Combo forward to replace Slo-Mo: Klintman, Ingram

Backup shot blocker: Bona

Shooting big: Filipowski, Tyler Smith

I don’t think we’re taking another PG but Kolek…

Other?

Not a draft that I did a lot of deep dives in but Filipowski, Furphy, and Mogbo intrigue me.

[Klomp]

Last year we had one guy who could reliably get his own shot at any time. We may just have added two more.

[Nick K]

I think we get two of the best players in first round tbh. I hate that they are bringing up Shannon’s legal
Issues since he was found innocent.

Guarantee he will be asked about it when introduced to local media....probably by KSTP

lol. Ain’t going to be Fox 9 as Jim Rich is still spit shining Glen’s sack.

To Neeva’s point it is u fair but that’s narrative on why a talent dropped. McDaniels was a top HS player but his fouls and techs at Washington were part of why he dropped and is part of the narrative.

How true!

[Nick K]

Last year we had one guy who could reliably get his own shot at any time. We may just have added two more.

Yep. Yet another great draft. I've been conditioned like Pavlov's dog to expect another stupid move after 30 years plus of suffering.

We get our PG of the future and get a guy with a body and athleticism like ANT himself.

Now we have KAT, Ant, Reid, Dillingham and Shannon who can get to the basket and to the line. Huge!

[karch34]

So what are we looking for at for 37?

Shooters: Furphy, Christie, Djurisic (not really a pure shooter)

Combo forward to replace Slo-Mo: Klintman, Ingram

Backup shot blocker: Bona

Shooting big: Filipowski, Tyler Smith

I don’t think we’re taking another PG but Kolek…

Other?

Not a draft that I did a lot of deep dives in but Filipowski, Furphy, and Mogbo intrigue me.

After some quick research put Klintman on that list.