Karl-Anthony Towns Traded to New York (Official Discussion Thread)

[Folklore]

This year we are still above the second apron, so we can’t add salaries to match Durant.

I would hope that the plan is to let Randle walk next year, and use some of that savings to bring back Naz. It’s also possible ownership may not even do that. Next season they may just say, “yeah, we love Naz but we couldn’t afford him,” and just take the savings to reduce or even avoid lux taxes.

I love the idea of getting Durant, but with maxes on Ant and Gobert (unless he renegotiates), I think KD’s salary is just too high.

This trade certainly increases the possibility of a Ant for Beal trade. I don't have problem trading anyone but we want to trade up like for Gobert. This is definitely a trade down. I like to hear how Taylor (ARod make me do it) or Connelly going to spin this one. I am glad I didn't buy season tickets for this year. After waiting for 20 years getting to conference final, this is what the fans get? I am almost done as a Wolves fan.

If this is what makes you quit being a Wolves fan and not the 30 years of crap previously i don't know what to tell you

Anyone giving up on this franchise because of it would honestly be he most sane of us. Why continue to act crazy and expecting more? Ant is the new Kat...Love...and KG. they'll never really build around him.

[TimberKat]

This trade reminded me so much of the Cavs traded Ron Harper for Danny Ferry and the team of the 90s never got a chance to take off.

[Worm Guts]

This trade reminded me so much of the Cavs traded Ron Harper for Danny Ferry and the team of the 90s never got a chance to take off.

What’s the comparison?

[m2002brian]

Reminds me more of the Gugliotta trade.

Man that guy was important, but was more of a number 3 on a championship winning team.

Or maybe the Steph trade.

Not the Kg trade for heaven sakes. Kg was the soul the foundation of all of our winning years.

Trading Ant would be like trading KG
Not this…

[Worm Guts]

I’m not sure I understand the Gugliotta reference either, maybe the Marbury trade. Trading our 2nd best player from a playoff team for two quality players.

[shangrila]

Reid was, by far, our worst big defender in the Playoffs.

We don't beat Denver without KAT defending Jokic and we don't sweep Phoenix without KAT checking Durant.

Gobert couldn't keep up in screens & KAT couldn't rim protect. Reid was the best mix of those 2.

In addition to the offensive initiation improvement, while Randle may not be some notably good defender either, he provides more d versatility to the Wolves.

Overall there are more d options in the playoffs. Though I see a gap in small ball 4's, which existed before. I think someone sufficient of that profile ought to be addressed. Maybe trade Alexander-Walker. Could match up better w/ Luka's of the NBA.

Naz Reid is a largely hideous defensive player, that take is pretty off if I'm being honest.

And yet Reid matched or beat KAT in several major defensive stats. So what does that say about Towns?

[m2002brian]

I’m not sure I understand the Gugliotta reference either, maybe the Marbury trade. Trading our 2nd best player from a playoff team for two quality players.

Kg was our best player
Steph 2nd
Tommy G our 3rd

Ant is our best now
Rudy is the second best
KAT was our third best

(Offense isn’t the whole game)

[Worm Guts]

I’m not sure I understand the Gugliotta reference either, maybe the Marbury trade. Trading our 2nd best player from a playoff team for two quality players.

Kg was our best player
Steph 2nd
Tommy G our 3rd

Ant is our best now
Rudy is the second best
KAT was our third best

(Offense isn’t the whole game)

We never traded Googs though, that’s the part that has me confused.
We traded for him, but he left as a free agent.

[Note30]

I’m not sure I understand the Gugliotta reference either, maybe the Marbury trade. Trading our 2nd best player from a playoff team for two quality players.

Kg was our best player
Steph 2nd
Tommy G our 3rd

Ant is our best now
Rudy is the second best
KAT was our third best

(Offense isn’t the whole game)

Delusional.

[guest81]

I’m not sure I understand the Gugliotta reference either, maybe the Marbury trade. Trading our 2nd best player from a playoff team for two quality players.

Kg was our best player
Steph 2nd
Tommy G our 3rd

Ant is our best now
Rudy is the second best
KAT was our third best

(Offense isn’t the whole game)

Delusional.

Rudy by most every advanced stat was either the best or second best player on the wolves. By what measurement has kat ever been more impactful then Rudy at any point of their careers?

[guest81]

This trade certainly increases the possibility of a Ant for Beal trade. I don't have problem trading anyone but we want to trade up like for Gobert. This is definitely a trade down. I like to hear how Taylor (ARod make me do it) or Connelly going to spin this one. I am glad I didn't buy season tickets for this year. After waiting for 20 years getting to conference final, this is what the fans get? I am almost done as a Wolves fan.

If this is what makes you quit being a Wolves fan and not the 30 years of crap previously i don't know what to tell you

Anyone giving up on this franchise because of it would honestly be he most sane of us. Why continue to act crazy and expecting more? Ant is the new Kat...Love...and KG. they'll never really build around him.

Theyve put the 6th man, defensive player of the year and a top 5 coach around ant. They've already built around him?

[Note30]

Kg was our best player
Steph 2nd
Tommy G our 3rd

Ant is our best now
Rudy is the second best
KAT was our third best

(Offense isn’t the whole game)

Delusional.

Rudy by most every advanced stat was either the best or second best player on the wolves. By what measurement has kat ever been more impactful then Rudy at any point of their careers?

How about normal stats? Points, rebounds, assists? If all you have is advanced metrics you're missing a huge part of the picture. It's the equivalent of making a building and looking at all the amenities and tech and ignoring the fact the other building is a mansion and the other is a trailer home.

[guest81]

Delusional.

Rudy by most every advanced stat was either the best or second best player on the wolves. By what measurement has kat ever been more impactful then Rudy at any point of their careers?

How about normal stats? Points, rebounds, assists? If all you have is advanced metrics you're missing a huge part of the picture. It's the equivalent of making a building and looking at all the amenities and tech and ignoring the fact the other building is a mansion and the other is a trailer home.

Do we just call whoever gets the most points is the better player? Is dlo a better player then Rudy because he scores and gets more assists?

[Zonarosa]

This trade certainly increases the possibility of a Ant for Beal trade. I don't have problem trading anyone but we want to trade up like for Gobert. This is definitely a trade down. I like to hear how Taylor (ARod make me do it) or Connelly going to spin this one. I am glad I didn't buy season tickets for this year. After waiting for 20 years getting to conference final, this is what the fans get? I am almost done as a Wolves fan.

Yes, I think most smarter fans are going to see that we made a cost-cutting move in a season when we had the best chance of contending with our continuity. But I think I wrote here (or maybe the Trade Board), that Connelly is likely going to sell it that Randle is a two-time All NBA PF, so “believe me, we aren’t trying to get worse to save money!” I hope he says, “we will give this money next year to Naz,” but I don’t expect the organization to tie themselves down like that.

Crazy that Taylor leaked their projection only to do the thing he projected they projected.

yet we’re still a second apron team. the lore/rodriguez proposal estimated getting down to $170 or something,

[thinktank]

Yes, I think most smarter fans are going to see that we made a cost-cutting move in a season when we had the best chance of contending with our continuity. But I think I wrote here (or maybe the Trade Board), that Connelly is likely going to sell it that Randle is a two-time All NBA PF, so “believe me, we aren’t trying to get worse to save money!” I hope he says, “we will give this money next year to Naz,” but I don’t expect the organization to tie themselves down like that.

Crazy that Taylor leaked their projection only to do the thing he projected they projected.

yet we’re still a second apron team. the lore/rodriguez proposal estimated getting down to $170 or something,

They saved 26 million this year with this move. There’s probably a more accurate figure but that’s what I’ve seen on a few different sites.

It is what it is. Taylor runs the team.

[shrink]

For the record, it initially looked like they cut $8.8 mil in payroll, but that number will be less, because they aren’t including the Randle 15% Trade Kicker until it’s announced (roughly $4.5 mil) and the inclusion of Keita Bates Diop at $2.65. That would be a payroll savings of only about $1.83 mil.

For the record, to get under the lux, MIN would need to cut a little more than $33 mil more in payroll.

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49.21. Towns

33.28. Randle 28.94 x 1.15
11.45. DiVincenzo
2.65. Diop
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47.38

$1.83 mil savings

[m2002brian]

Rudy by most every advanced stat was either the best or second best player on the wolves. By what measurement has kat ever been more impactful then Rudy at any point of their careers?

How about normal stats? Points, rebounds, assists? If all you have is advanced metrics you're missing a huge part of the picture. It's the equivalent of making a building and looking at all the amenities and tech and ignoring the fact the other building is a mansion and the other is a trailer home.

Do we just call whoever gets the most points is the better player? Is dlo a better player then Rudy because he scores and gets more assists?

It’s like nobody remembers our defense before Rudy.

Regardless of the coach, the “defensive coordinator”, the players never bought in. Rudy brought the culture. It’s why we can win on any given night.

[shrink]

What are the stages of grief? Is the final one “acceptance?” I’m going to look at it this way…

When Connelly did the Gobert trade, I thought it was an overpay, and Rudy and KAT couldn’t work together. It turned out better than I thought.

When Connelly did the Mike Conley trade, I liked it a lot, and it still turned out better than I thought.

His next two trades, for Shake Milton and Monte Morris I liked, and they didn’t do much.

I am nervous about the Dillingham trade, and the Randle trade. But who knows? Maybe this will work out? I feel like at this point, I should trusts Connelly more than I trust myself.

[guest81]

What are the stages of grief? Is the final one “acceptance?” I’m going to look at it this way…

When Connelly did the Gobert trade, I thought it was an overpay, and Rudy and KAT couldn’t work together. It turned out better than I thought.

When Connelly did the Mike Conley trade, I liked it a lot, and it still turned out better than I thought.

His next two trades, for Shake Milton and Monte Morris I liked, and they didn’t do much.

I am nervous about the Dillingham trade, and the Randle trade. But who knows? Maybe this will work out? I feel like at this point, I should trusts Connelly more than I trust myself.

Shake was a free agent signing

Edit nevermind your talking about milton trade for morris. My bad

[shrink]

What are the stages of grief? Is the final one “acceptance?” I’m going to look at it this way…

When Connelly did the Gobert trade, I thought it was an overpay, and Rudy and KAT couldn’t work together. It turned out better than I thought.

When Connelly did the Mike Conley trade, I liked it a lot, and it still turned out better than I thought.

His next two trades, for Shake Milton and Monte Morris I liked, and they didn’t do much.

I am nervous about the Dillingham trade, and the Randle trade. But who knows? Maybe this will work out? I feel like at this point, I should trusts Connelly more than I trust myself.

Shake was a free agent signing

You’re right. I guess “decisions” would be better, but we are already going down a rabbit hole. I still see the signing of Milton and Troy Brown Jr as last minutes saves, when Naz was suddenly still on our roster, so probably not even a big decision like the trades