Trade Ideas thread

[Dleavitt24]

From trade board...

MKG + #11 for #6/7

MKG is not a rookie and I for one would like to see him get a fresh start with Thibs.

At 11 Wolves draft PFOF.

Towns/Aldrich
Dieng/11
MKG/Bazz??
Wiggins/LaVine
Rubio/Dunn/Jones
That lineup to start season. If LaVine is healthy, Thibs starts him and Wiggins, MKG can play off bench with both as he staggers their minutes--and small ball lineups.

Im a big Fan of this Idea...but if shooting is a issue its going to be even more so.

How about this: (lavine out)
Rubio- dunn- tyus
Wiggins- dunn
MKG - muhammed- belly
Mirotic - dieng - belly
Towns - dieng - Aldridge

and this: (lavine IN)
Rubio - dunn - tyus
Lavine - wiggins - dunn
Wiggins - MKG - muhammed
Mirotic - dieng - belly
Towns - dieng - Aldridge

(Can stagger the shooters by having dieng back as starter)

- Belly is a very good injury insurance. But mirotic has no conscience...that the difference, hes not afraid to shoot.
- dieng is good towns insurance as he is capable of stepping up.
Wiggins and lavine are insurance for themselves as if one is injuried the other can step up the wing scoring.
- mkg is your lock down guy and muhammed continues to be quick offense whos min will depend on his production.
-At PG they have depth
They could try keeping rush for depth or draft some later round 3 and D prospects

Also I like Ibaka as a PF...most ppl dont see us having a chance...but fact is we have $$ and raptors dont.

I know ppl like J Isaac but hes another young guy....if we cant get a strong wing player like tucker, carrol, crowder ect...then we need to trade for one.





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[Worm Guts]

I don't think there's a conversation to be started unless you want to put Towns on the table

I think the value gap between Towns and KP became fairly considerable this season as Towns continued his development while KP was a big stagnet due to injuries.

I'm not saying their value is the same, just that the Knicks have no reason to trade Porzingis unless you offer them they can't turn down.

[C.lupus]

Belly for Kyle O'Quinn anyone?

Thibs said they "will head into this summer prioritizing adding shot-blocking, wing defense and shooting after the team finished last in 3-pointers made and attempted."

O'Quinn ranked 4th in the league in blocks per 100 possessions for player who played at least 30 games. Belly could be a good fit for the triangle in NY (and he's a bit too inconsistent for my liking). Not a groundbreaking deal but it adds a vet who can add some toughness and rim-protecting defense.

[rugbyrugger23]

#6/7 + Hill (NG) + Aldrich (NG expiring)

For

#12 + S. Johnson + Ellenson + Marjonovic

Trade gets Pistons out of tax and repeaters tax. Assuming they keep KCP at high price. At 6/7 they draft a scoring PG that could supplant Jackson.

Wolves at #12 draft BPA. Probably a defensive minded PF/C. Thibs gets his hands on Johnson and can he be bench defensive specialist he seeks? Ellenson is a stretch PF that can be long term replacement for Bjelica. #12 is a gamble--can he become starter and take over Dieng role?

C: Towns | Marjonovic | #12
F: Dieng | Bjeilca | Ellenson | #12
F: Wiggins | Johnson | Vet 3D
G: LaVine | Wiggins | Dunn
G: Rubio | Dunn | Jones

[andyhop]

Belly for Kyle O'Quinn anyone?

Thibs said they "will head into this summer prioritizing adding shot-blocking, wing defense and shooting after the team finished last in 3-pointers made and attempted."

O'Quinn ranked 4th in the league in blocks per 100 possessions for player who played at least 30 games. Belly could be a good fit for the triangle in NY (and he's a bit too inconsistent for my liking). Not a groundbreaking deal but it adds a vet who can add some toughness and rim-protecting defense.

Would Thibs actually play him though because we got a guy who fits that description last season in Aldrich and he never saw the floor

[Klomp]

Would Thibs actually play him though because we got a guy who fits that description last season in Aldrich and he never saw the floor

Yeah that's one of the more interesting situations. Can add shot-blocking, but has to be someone who also fits alongside Towns, which Aldrich didn't really.

That's why Serge Ibaka could potentially be one of the more intriguing FA additions. Same with James Johnson.

[moss_is_1]

Would Thibs actually play him though because we got a guy who fits that description last season in Aldrich and he never saw the floor

Yeah that's one of the more interesting situations. Can add shot-blocking, but has to be someone who also fits alongside Towns, which Aldrich didn't really.

That's why Serge Ibaka could potentially be one of the more intriguing FA additions. Same with James Johnson.

Yeah, basically Aldrich adds shot-blocking, without much else. He's worthless offensively, and not very good on the perimeter defensively. O'quinn is a big time rebounder, and has a pretty solid jumper to help space the floor.

[shrink]

I'm going to catch some serious flak for this but here we go:

Trade Zach to the 76ers along with the #6 (assuming we stay where we are)
for
the #3, Richuan Holmes, 2019 SAC 1st, #37

We get Jackson and Holmes (decent shooter, 4-5 stretch big, who has a ton of energy and plays great defense), and spread out the youth for the future. The kings will still be awful in 2019.

I would do that deal. I love Zach, and I think he can be a star in the league, but we need to be clear that he has some pretty major di gs to his trade value - his injury, his lack of defense, and his impending RFA contract. I am not sure he is worth the #3, in a draft where I think there is a big gap between the top three players and #4. The other half is the 6th for SAC 2019 1st (unprotected) and Holmes, which I think I would do as well. SAC looks like they are in a tailspin, and Holmes would be a nearly perfect fir next to KAT, and he has a ridiculously tiny contract. If we struck out in free agency, we might have cap space for 2018, with only Wiggins deal adding to the total.

PHI may consider this as well. I think Zach has shown that it would be a long time before he could run an offense, but he can start at that position in PHI, and let Ben Simmons dish the rock.

[shrink]

I don't think there's a conversation to be started unless you want to put Towns on the table

Exactly. Remember, NYK has some of the most expensive tickets in the NBA, and with a bad team, money thrown away on Noah, Derrick Rose hurt and gone, Phil trying to force Melo out ... the Knicks marketing department NEEDS Porzingas to sell tickets! They need something for Knicks fans to hope for.

I would also caution people to never put too much stock in anything New York media has to say.

[Mattya]

Not interested in hoping more picks turn out well to justify going from LaVine to Holmes.

[Note30]

Not interested in hoping more picks turn out well to justify going from LaVine to Holmes.

I can understand that. but its clear that we have a defenisve issue on the wings, and neither LaVine nor Wiggs is great at defense. I would rather trade to make sure we do have that.

[shrink]

What do you think is the situation with Kris Dunn? Should we move him right now while he still has a good amount of value or should we wait a few years to see how he turns out?

It really depends on whether you think he will pan out. Personally, I don't trade him.

I think his trade value is pretty low. Many people had high expectations for him when he came into the league, and some considered him the favorite to win the Rookie of the Year because he was older. Unfortunately, he isn't even in the Top Ten, in a particularly bad year. Almost all aspects of his game have been disappointing except for his defense, and he has shown little ability to run an offense, drive, or shoot. I doubt he would bring back a late lottery pick right now, who would be far younger and have a year more of rookie scale.

However, i think the experts may have missed the ball on this one. Point guard is a difficult position to play in the NBA, and young PG's in their early 20's rarely do well in their first year, whether they stayed in college or spent a few years in the NBA. Guys like Elfrid Payton and Mudiay haven't impressed after a few seasons, and several of the nba's older success stories were far worse when they were younger.

I would also keep him because his downside is low. For most players, a season like Dunn just had would have people questioning whether the player belonged in the nba. However, Dunn's defense means that while he may never be a star, he will at worst be a useful NBA bench defender. And to tell the truth, that's a quality this team could use, with guys like Zach and Tyus as his likely bench counterpart. Moreover, Britt Robson thinks he may be able to guard opposing SF's.

To me, i don't think we would get much in trade for Dunn right now, and I'd rather pass on that, and hope for more upside next year.

[Mattya]

Not interested in hoping more picks turn out well to justify going from LaVine to Holmes.

I can understand that. but its clear that we have a defenisve issue on the wings, and neither LaVine nor Wiggs is great at defense. I would rather trade to make sure we do have that.

You can find defense in free agency and through other trades without giving up a scorer like LaVine. The defense was already looking better before LaVine went down. Judging this team by how it finished and making significant moves based off of that just seems silly to me.

[shrink]

Not interested in hoping more picks turn out well to justify going from LaVine to Holmes.

I can understand that. but its clear that we have a defenisve issue on the wings, and neither LaVine nor Wiggs is great at defense. I would rather trade to make sure we do have that.

I would add that I don't necessarily see a step back in a win-now approach to next season. The #3 and #6 picks will both be rookies, and Zach and Holmes have similar years of experience, plus Zach doesn't fit as well, and may miss games in the first half of the season.

More importantly, I expect the Wolves to be a solid playoff team by the Summer of 2019, with a pick in the mid-20's. It is extremely valuable for a team in that posiiton to hold some other team's unprotected pick, because it allows them to continue to add talent (probably in a trade), even when they are already good. Sometimes this extra addition of talent is what it takes to pass other elite teams.

[moss_is_1]

Defense is something that can be coached up. Even without great defensive players a great scheme can mask bad defenders. Playing together and knowing yoir teamates would help our defense. Adding veterans would help a lot as well.

[Klomp]

I don't really see a reason to move up, especially not if the cost is LaVine. The guys projected to go ahead of our pick aren't really a fit for the system and current roster construction.

Only way we trade LaVine or Wiggins is in a win-now trade for someone like Jimmy Butler or another similar vet.

[Worm Guts]

Not interested in hoping more picks turn out well to justify going from LaVine to Holmes.

I can understand that. but its clear that we have a defenisve issue on the wings, and neither LaVine nor Wiggs is great at defense. I would rather trade to make sure we do have that.

Sure but you need to remember that both Wiggins and Towns were expected to be great defensive players when they were drafted. So that tells you 1 of 2 things, either defense takes awhile to develop, in which case trading for a rookie is a step back, or projecting defense is tough and you should be careful drafting someone and expecting them to be good defensively.

[youngthegiant]

Any chance of Denver getting into the mix for #6. We have veterans like Wilson Chandler, Will Barton, Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur that we could package with #13.

[JDthrillinger]

Any chance of Denver getting into the mix for #6. We have veterans like Wilson Chandler, Will Barton, Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur that we could package with #13.

Chandler, Faried, & #13 for # 6 and Aldrich? Will throw in Tyus is need be also. We draft OG Anunboy at #13

[packforfreedom]

Any chance of Denver getting into the mix for #6. We have veterans like Wilson Chandler, Will Barton, Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur that we could package with #13.

I was always a big fan of Chandler and I think he'd be a good fit as a 6th man and as PF in small ball lineups. I'd definitly think about Chandler + #13 for #6. Would that be enough value for Denver, though?