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Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#241 » by shrink » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:08 pm

kobewade11 wrote:
Howard Cosell wrote:Miami gets nothing without Richardson.

Their organization knows it...their fanbase is clueless.

What you got on Heat fans? You come to our board, we show you good hospitality, you **** on us over there, I come to see if there's any news on this side and see you doing the same.

Howard Costell trolls us too. He does not represent regular Wolves posters.

He’s not wrong about a Miami offer starting with Richardson plus, though.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#242 » by shrink » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:32 pm

Morey is a motivated buyer. This is what he said in December:

"It's the only thing we think about," Morey said on ESPN Radio's The Ryen Russillo Show on Thursday. "I think I'm not supposed to say that, but we're basically obsessed with 'How do we beat the Warriors?'


"I don't know why you'd do anything else," Morey told The Ryen Russillo Show. "Like, what is the point of this league except winning a title? So we'd love to get the 1-seed, we'd love to win more games than any in Rockets history, which is 58. Those are all nice things, but frankly, we spend most of our time just figuring out how we might just knock the Warriors out in seven games. Because we're pretty sure that's what's going to define our season."


The Rockets are not expected to truly contend with the Warriors this year. GSW added Boogie, HOU lost Ariza and LRMAM, and added Melo. Chris Paul’s is on a massive deal, and at his age, his window is short. Adding Jimmy instantly puts the Warriors back in contention.

The problem is, if Harden, Paul, and Capella are off the table, they don’t have much to work with, Eric Gordon is decent, but with his injury history, he is probably a neutral contract at best. The Rockets need PJ Tucker more than the Wolves. This year’s pick is likely #29-30, and even a future pick is betting against Harden, Butler, Capella and Morey.

I admit Morey is a smarter than me at this, and he has surprised me with the Chris Paul trade, and the discount contract he got on Capella. However, I just don’t see where he can come up with value to outbid other teams if these are the trade pieces he has to work with.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#243 » by Slim Tubby » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:38 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:It's a win compared to having Whiteside, Waiters, or Johnson on our team.
So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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Go home. That’s awful. All three are negative, multi-year contracts, and you know that. Nobody on a neutral trade board ranks any of them as positive, including retired heat Mod BBallFreak, and many rank them very negative

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1750985

You aren’t the GM of the Heat, and we aren’t the GM of the Wolves, even if you convince someone with lies, it does not change our favorite teams one bit.

If you don’t want to discuss things honestly, then you should stay on your own board.


It just slays me how fans of other teams want to tell you how valuable their assets are yet they secretly would be ecstatic to dump their marginal players with crappy contracts. Tyler Johnson’s contract makes Wiggin’s deal look like a bargain. Whiteside couldn’t even see the court for MIA at the end of the year and in the playoffs and has tons of personal baggage. Waiters is a turd as a player and in the locker room and looks like he ate Oprah Winfrey during his offseason.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#244 » by minimus » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:46 pm

shrink wrote:Morey is a motivated buyer.
I admit Morey is a smarter than me at this, and he has surprised me with the Chris Paul trade, and the discount contract he got on Capella. However, I just don’t see where he can come up with value to outbid other teams if these are the trade pieces he has to work with.


I guess now it is about involving 3rd team to unload Dieng contract. Heck, I also can imagine Morey doing all dirty work for Thibs negotiating with SAC and HOU so they send us expiring contracts, while HOU trade them picks
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#245 » by Howard Cosell » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:53 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:
shrink wrote:
twix2500 wrote:So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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Go home. That’s awful. All three are negative, multi-year contracts, and you know that. Nobody on a neutral trade board ranks any of them as positive, including retired heat Mod BBallFreak, and many rank them very negative

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1750985

You aren’t the GM of the Heat, and we aren’t the GM of the Wolves, even if you convince someone with lies, it does not change our favorite teams one bit.

If you don’t want to discuss things honestly, then you should stay on your own board.


It just slays me how fans of other teams want to tell you how valuable their assets are yet they secretly would be ecstatic to dump their marginal players with crappy contracts. Tyler Johnson’s contract makes Wiggin’s deal look like a bargain. Whiteside couldn’t even see the court for MIA at the end of the year and in the playoffs and has tons of personal baggage. Waiters is a turd as a player and in the locker room and looks like he ate Oprah Winfrey during his offseason.



Yeah but Twix thinks Heat have all the leverage and Twolves only choice is to accept their negative scraps.

LOL!
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#246 » by shrink » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:05 pm

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:Morey is a motivated buyer.
I admit Morey is a smarter than me at this, and he has surprised me with the Chris Paul trade, and the discount contract he got on Capella. However, I just don’t see where he can come up with value to outbid other teams if these are the trade pieces he has to work with.


I guess now it is about involving 3rd team to unload Dieng contract. Heck, I also can imagine Morey doing all dirty work for Thibs negotiating with SAC and HOU so they send us expiring contracts, while HOU trade them picks


The basic nature of a Butler trade would be that we’d get Eric Gordon (2yrs), Nene (2 yrs) and a future pick for Butler, and the 2019 HOU pick (likely #29,30 after this deal) would be used to move Dieng.

Maybe Dieng and that pick for Bazemore (2yrs). It’d align all our deals for 2020 free agency, but I’d decline .. I would prefer keeping the pick.

Anyway, Gordon is a good player with some injury risk on a fair contract, and the future HOU pick is betting against Morey, Harden and Butler. I just don’t think HOU can muster enough value.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#247 » by vagelis » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:16 pm

Eric Gordon is a good player, it could be an ok trade.
But let's get Capela with him too :D
From Miami a package of Josh Richardson and Adebayo would be ok too.
But I think that Gordon is currently better than every possible Miami trade asset.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#248 » by minimus » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:17 pm

I'd like to get Tucker as small ball PF, because after this season we will have void at PF.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#249 » by Howard Cosell » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:27 pm

shrink wrote:
kobewade11 wrote:
Howard Cosell wrote:Miami gets nothing without Richardson.

Their organization knows it...their fanbase is clueless.

What you got on Heat fans? You come to our board, we show you good hospitality, you **** on us over there, I come to see if there's any news on this side and see you doing the same.

Howard Costell trolls us too. He does not represent regular Wolves posters.

He’s not wrong about a Miami offer starting with Richardson plus, though.



I’m not a troll Shrink. Just because I called out Thibs long ago when the Mods here were still flapping away on how great a job he was doing doesn’t make me a troll.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#250 » by Killboard » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:
shrink wrote:Go home. That’s awful. All three are negative, multi-year contracts, and you know that. Nobody on a neutral trade board ranks any of them as positive, including retired heat Mod BBallFreak, and many rank them very negative

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1750985

You aren’t the GM of the Heat, and we aren’t the GM of the Wolves, even if you convince someone with lies, it does not change our favorite teams one bit.

If you don’t want to discuss things honestly, then you should stay on your own board.


It just slays me how fans of other teams want to tell you how valuable their assets are yet they secretly would be ecstatic to dump their marginal players with crappy contracts. Tyler Johnson’s contract makes Wiggin’s deal look like a bargain. Whiteside couldn’t even see the court for MIA at the end of the year and in the playoffs and has tons of personal baggage. Waiters is a turd as a player and in the locker room and looks like he ate Oprah Winfrey during his offseason.



Yeah but Twix thinks Heat have all the leverage and Twolves only choice is to accept their negative scraps.

LOL!


Tell them to comeback mid season with the standings on the table.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#251 » by Killboard » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:33 pm

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Macwolf527 wrote:
Absolutely wouldn't bite. The biddiyng is not on Jimmy, it's on his Bird Rights. That's what will give a team the edge in signing him in the offseason. Even if that team is us in a sign and trade.

It sounds like some people don't think Jimmy would be worth a max contract. That is ridiculous. Any top30 player in the league is worth a max contract.

I think everyone would rather give Jimmy a 4-year max with 5% raises rather than a 5-year max with 8% raises. It's a pretty big deal for a guy that'll be old and have accumulated a ton of injuries by the end.


Problem with that is:
There are teams who need a star, but no caspace
For those with capspace, they probably suck enough to not take the risk of losing him to other team for that year/3%.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#252 » by Xman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:07 pm

Houston cannot trade Capela until January - so not going to be part of it.

Knight cannot be traded until the end of October - But Houston could do a handshake deal to swap Knight for Dieng at that point (Knights contract is one year less).
Tucker and Gordon salaries match. Hou can add a couple of #1 picks.
Hou would love to package smalls instead of Tucker - but I think Minny would benefit from Tucker more than a lot realize (he is a really good glue guy).

Miami and LAC owe picks so limited to offering up maybe 1 first depending on when they lose other picks. Miami has bad contracts and JRich is not a wunder prospect. He has developed a little but he is not there and may never be. Gordon would at least help TT's goal of win now.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#253 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:20 pm

Problem is... ain't nobody winning now with that team out west
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#254 » by GopherIt! » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:29 pm

shrink wrote:Go home. That’s awful. All three are negative, multi-year contracts, and you know that. Nobody on a neutral trade board ranks any of them as positive, including retired heat Mod BBallFreak, and many rank them very negative.

You aren’t the GM of the Heat, and we aren’t the GM of the Wolves, even if you convince someone with lies, it does not change our favorite teams one bit.

If you don’t want to discuss things honestly, then you should stay on your own board.


snickers boy is a troll. our mods need to get off their butts and ban him.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#256 » by Loyal[]Wolf » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:41 pm

Jimmy Butler remained in Minnesota Thursday and someone pranked him that he was traded to the Kings. LMAO.

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Post#257 » by GopherIt! » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:56 pm

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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#258 » by SBM » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:58 pm

raferfenix wrote:
SBM wrote:Dragic, Bam and a 1st gets conversation started and that's for Butler and no-one else.

I still say he ends up in Milwaukee


What do you think Bucks would have to offer to get a deal done?


I am thinking Wilson,Div, Zeller, Bledsoe, and a 1st for Butler and Teague.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#259 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:14 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:
shrink wrote:
kobewade11 wrote:What you got on Heat fans? You come to our board, we show you good hospitality, you **** on us over there, I come to see if there's any news on this side and see you doing the same.

Howard Costell trolls us too. He does not represent regular Wolves posters.

He’s not wrong about a Miami offer starting with Richardson plus, though.



I’m not a troll Shrink. Just because I called out Thibs long ago when the Mods here were still flapping away on how great a job he was doing doesn’t make me a troll.

You are extremely negative.
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Re: Butler has requested a trade (Part II) 

Post#260 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:14 pm

What the wolves are looking for and offers, if they are even to be believed are unbelievably low, hence I don't.

Right now there are just teams that are not asset rich (from MN's perspective), trying ways to figure things out. Multiple teams need to be involved...if and only if a single team cannot offer the ask.

If you don't know the ask it is likely one of two things: 1. (The most likely) is to not take on any negitive value and have high end cap relief in the end, meaning picks, expirings and slight positive assets i.e. a pick and a player like J. Richardson and expirings which shaves risk of LUX now and in the future, or 2. the same as before, but more cap neutral where the positive assets are semi-cap-neutral where MN doesn't go into the LUX, but takes back players that drop the return for other positives coming back, be it one team or multiple.

Hunker down. No team is just giving a top 10ish player away, being worse off for it. It could take time...or they at worse sit him to not risk injury and end up losing him for nothing and he misses out on Bird rights, which is better perhaps in some cases for the team based on rumors.

It will be fine.



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