Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO

[Krapinsky]

This is second Wolves related affair to hit news cycle in last year. Don’t forget about Malik Beasley and Larsa Pippen.

[PharmD]

Having an affair is a fireable offense? Weird

Well it was an at-work affair which has its own issues.

Also Glen Taylor is an old white Minnesotan that has people over for lasagna.

[FinnTheHuman]

I'll just repeat what I said elsewhere: Rosas is a hypocritical boomer. One of those guys who want to preach stoicism and hard work to his subordinates, while secretly being a full-blown hedonist himself. He reeked of this hypocrisy from what I've seen in the Wolves related media, and now that's fully on display when it's found out that he's cheating on his wife like this. I talked about this impression I had of him around the time we drafted Ant, I said that I wanted to see him gone at that time because of that, and it turned out I was right. He showed that he's not that much about making the Wolves a top tier organization if he was willing to compromise the work environment with this affair. Good riddance.

[Foye]

I'll just repeat what I said elsewhere: Rosas is a hypocritical boomer. One of those guys who want to preach stoicism and hard work to his subordinates, while secretly being a full-blown hedonist himself. He reeked of this hypocrisy from what I've seen in the Wolves related media, and now that's fully on display when it's found out that he's cheating on his wife like this. He showed that he's not that much about making the Wolves a top tier organization if he was able to compromise the work environment with this affair. Good riddance.

I would more call it narcissistic behaviour but correct.

[breatnach]

Unless he had his finger on a nuke, there is no excuse for firing him before telling the team. It's just unprofessional.
If this has been more or less known for several months, there is no reason they couldn't have briefed the team.

On top of that, many people feel the need to make every thought public the second it enters their head. I'm sure KAT thought "WTF", but tweeting that shows a certain level of naivete.

[Klomp]

In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

[Klomp]

The oft-discussed pick protections...

If people did not agree with his decisions, as several in the front office did when they objected to his decision to include only light protections on a first-round pick that went to Golden State in the trade that brought Russell to Minnesota, he was confident that he would be validated in the long run.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

[jpatrick]

In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

If TheHillRat is to be believed and honestly, he called this two months ago, so he probably should be, Rosas was doing the deed in the Twolves offices and got walked in on by Gupta.

An affair with a direct report is a huge no-no. Having sexual relations in the office and being walked in on by another employee is fireable almost everywhere.

[Neeva]

Wiggins is a mess but that pick should not have been top 3 protected.

[fattymcgee]

Unless he had his finger on a nuke, there is no excuse for firing him before telling the team. It's just unprofessional.
If this has been more or less known for several months, there is no reason they couldn't have briefed the team.

On top of that, many people feel the need to make every thought public the second it enters their head. I'm sure KAT thought "WTF", but tweeting that shows a certain level of naivete.

You're just wrong, no way else to say it.
You think it's professional to tell everyone else in the organization that person X is getting fired before telling the person who is actually getting fired?

[Foye]

In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

So it appears even the other members of the front office were against this deal.
And somehow there are still people on this board arguing it was a decent deal.

[Dewey]

Still … virtually no facts yet media suggests their trash based on “sources” and people suck it up like naive morons. Almost seems society wants to see people burn just to be right - yet they never will be held accountable for their opinion if it’s off based. Classy.

[Klomp]

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[jpatrick]

In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

So it appears even the other members of the front office were against this deal.
And somehow there are still people on this board arguing it was a decent deal.

Rosas stuck his neck out on the Russell trade. I forgot that we not only gave up the 7th pick this year but a very early second rounder last year. When you go against your staff’s opinion on a deal and it goes this poorly, you’ll have to pay the consequences.

Based on the Culver pick, Russell trade, and new ownership coming in, I thought the Wolves had to make the playoffs this year for Rosas to keep his job. I think that would have been the case if not for the affair with a subordinate, which hastened his departure.

The craziest thing about the Athletic article was that Gupta was banned from the Wolves offices because of his conflict with Rosas.

[breatnach]

You're just wrong, no way else to say it.
You think it's professional to tell everyone else in the organization that person X is getting fired before telling the person who is actually getting fired?

And telling the media is what?

You tell the person, you brief the team and give them talking points, then you inform the media.

[jpatrick]

You're just wrong, no way else to say it.
You think it's professional to tell everyone else in the organization that person X is getting fired before telling the person who is actually getting fired?

And telling the media is what?

You tell the person, you brief the team and give them talking points, then you inform the media.

Are we sure this wasn’t the teams plan? I’m not sure how the media found out, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Rosas (or his agent) walked out of that meeting and immediately contacted a reporter. Controlling the narrative is what everyone wants.

Since the Wolves misspelled Timberwolves in their press release, I don’t think that was something they had ready to go. Rather it was something put together quickly since the media already knew.

[Worm Guts]

In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

If TheHillRat is to be believed and honestly, he called this two months ago, so he probably should be, Rosas was doing the deed in the Twolves offices and got walked in on by Gupta.

An affair with a direct report is a huge no-no. Having sexual relations in the office and being walked in on by another employee is fireable almost everywhere.

If they thought he was doing a really great job, I tend to think they would look the other way on a consensual affair. There are details that could affect though, like if it was a Matt Lauer-type situation.

[SO_MONEY]

Still … virtually no facts yet media suggests their trash based on “sources” and people suck it up like naive morons. Almost seems society wants to see people burn just to be right - yet they never will be held accountable for their opinion if it’s off based. Classy.

I agree. There is no accountability, right away the media acted as puppets of the organization painting it as if this was a performance issue, i.e. "toxic culture" when in order for something like this to happen it would need to be something along the lines of sexual harassment. To some of their credits they didn't go along or didn't go all in on that angle, but several did.

[SO_MONEY]

In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.

https://theathletic.com/2843710/2021/09/22/gersson-rosas-and-his-downfall-why-the-timberwolves-fired-him-just-days-before-training-camp/

If TheHillRat is to be believed and honestly, he called this two months ago, so he probably should be, Rosas was doing the deed in the Twolves offices and got walked in on by Gupta.

An affair with a direct report is a huge no-no. Having sexual relations in the office and being walked in on by another employee is fireable almost everywhere.

If they thought he was doing a really great job, I tend to think they would look the other way on a consensual affair. There are details that could affect though, like if it was a Matt Lauer-type situation.

In general relationships between bosses and subordinates are not permitted. It opens up possible litigation. Businesses need to paper the relationship and likely remove any power dynamic to protect themselves. What you can't have is sometime in the future have a claim that there was an abuse of power and an employee was "coerced" into sex, for promise of favors or under threat of their job. That is a big deal. But maybe the Wolves had them file paperwork on it to insulate themselves and felt protected enough...until perhaps an incident...that the fallout from it would be too destructive?

[Foye]

You're just wrong, no way else to say it.
You think it's professional to tell everyone else in the organization that person X is getting fired before telling the person who is actually getting fired?

And telling the media is what?

You tell the person, you brief the team and give them talking points, then you inform the media.

How are you doing? Good to see you around. Remember we met for a beer a couple years back in Frankfurt.