Don't speed it up: Wolves sign Slo-Mo Kyle Anderson (2yr/$18M)

[younggunsmn]

It's an atrociously abused thing in the league and should be outright eliminated.

I agree, but TPE’s have been here for a long time. Both the owners and the Players Union want as many vehicles as possible to allow trades, and to get them done as quickly as possible, so “half trades now, finish later” TPEs were meant to help that. Particularly in the last 5-10 years, overall financial parity has become a bigger issue, and we saw big-spending teams made deals to create TPEs to maintain their salary. The CBA was never designed to prevent spending (the NBAPA would have none of that!) but to slow the rate that teams could quickly jump up. Now with owners that don’t care about money, some TPEs are simply salary storage vehicles, and the latest CBA seems to be attacking them directly for teams over the apron. I agree that is a good thing overall, though it might bite us in the butt today.

At a bare minimum they need to be eliminated when teams are taking a player into raw cap space (like the Pistons did with THJ), because TPE's are supposed to be vehicles for salary matching for over the cap teams.
Over the cap teams are using them to basically just buy more cap space.

[BlacJacMac]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.

Right. If we were to trade KAT straight up for Markkanen, we'd get a sizable TPR that we could use.

[shrink]

It's an atrociously abused thing in the league and should be outright eliminated.

I agree, but TPE’s have been here for a long time. Both the owners and the Players Union want as many vehicles as possible to allow trades, and to get them done as quickly as possible, so “half trades now, finish later” TPEs were meant to help that. Particularly in the last 5-10 years, overall financial parity has become a bigger issue, and we saw big-spending teams made deals to create TPEs to maintain their salary. The CBA was never designed to prevent spending (the NBAPA would have none of that!) but to slow the rate that teams could quickly jump up. Now with owners that don’t care about money, some TPEs are simply salary storage vehicles, and the latest CBA seems to be attacking them directly for teams over the apron. I agree that is a good thing overall, though it might bite us in the butt today.

At a bare minimum they need to be eliminated when teams are taking a player into raw cap space (like the Pistons did with THJ), because TPE's are supposed to be vehicles for salary matching for over the cap teams.
Over the cap teams are using them to basically just buy more cap space.

Yes, or at least never let it go off the books, as they keep kicking it forward every year

[shrink]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence.

For the record, I’m confused by his middle sentence too. I listened to a discussion on this last week, where they said that the TPE IS created, it just can’t be used.

Marks is a good guy for CBA, but he is getting bombarded by transactions right now, and the rules are very new. I’ll be interested to hear more.

[winforlose]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence.

For the record, I’m confused by his middle sentence too. I listened to a discussion on this last week, where they said that the TPE IS created, it just can’t be used.

Marks is a good guy for CBA, but he is getting bombarded by transactions right now, and the rules are very new. I’ll be interested to hear more.

That clears it up a bit. Not gonna lie an hour ago I was “more confused than a homeless man under house arrest.”
Quoting Team four star.

[Nick K]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

Maybe going after a 3rd string PG?

No. We have no usable exception.

Thanks for responding. Any ideas what we might do for a 3rd string PG now that J Mac is gone?

[guest81]

Hate the fit for Kyle in gs. Probably last place I'd wanna go if i was him. He's gonna be missed more then people think

[Nick K]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.

Thanks shrink. So basically we're effed! Any ideas what we do about a backup 3rd string PG?

[Klomp]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.

Right. If we were to trade KAT straight up for Markkanen, we'd get a sizable TPR that we could use.

Plus the ability to use the just-created Anderson exception.

[winforlose]

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.

Right. If we were to trade KAT straight up for Markkanen, we'd get a sizable TPR that we could use.

Plus the ability to use the just-created Anderson exception.

Didn’t we just establish that a sign and trade doesn’t create one? Oh god, I am confused again.

[Klomp]

Hate the fit for Kyle in gs. Probably last place I'd wanna go if i was him.

I don't get this. It's a perfect fit in my mind because they already have a blueprint of how to use a high BBIQ facilitating power forward without a jump shot.

[Klomp]

Right. If we were to trade KAT straight up for Markkanen, we'd get a sizable TPR that we could use.

Plus the ability to use the just-created Anderson exception.

Didn’t we just establish that a sign and trade doesn’t create one? Oh god, I am confused again.

My interpretation is that one is created, but cannot be used unless they drop below the second apron. (and at that point using it would likely hard cap them at the second apron though as a result)

[winforlose]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

Maybe going after a 3rd string PG?

No. We have no usable exception.

Thanks for responding. Any ideas what we might do for a 3rd string PG now that J Mac is gone?

Was JMAC signed? Otherwise he isn’t gone yet.

[BlacJacMac]

Hate the fit for Kyle in gs. Probably last place I'd wanna go if i was him.

I don't get this. It's a perfect fit in my mind because they already have a blueprint of how to use a high BBIQ facilitating power forward without a jump shot.

Yeah. He’s a great backup for Draymond.

[shrink]

Bobby Marks
@bobbymarks42
A sign-and-trade have to be for a minimum of 3 seasons, but with only the first year guaranteed.

No trade exception for Minnesota created because it was a sign-and-trade (brain fatigue, sorry).

Teams over the second are allowed to use a new trade exception created but can’t do it via a sign-and-trade.
6:02 PM · Jul 2, 2024
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I'm so confused by that last sentence. So can we use that trade exception in some other perhaps limited way?

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.

Thanks shrink. So basically we're effed! Any ideas what we do about a backup 3rd string PG?

They can offer Jordan MacLaughlin more than the vet min, and he should take it. Good deal for us too, maintaining our continuity, but he’s quite limited and you have to pray his three point shot continues to fall.

Here’s a list of some free agent PGs. I don’t know who would come here to play for the minimum, but that’s all we can offer.

Tyus Jones. (Too expensive)
Spencer Dinwiddie
Kyle Lowry
Patrick Beverley
Cam Payne
Markelle Fultz
Dennis Smith Jr
Jordan Goodwin (MEM)
Killian Hayes
Malachi Flynn
Patty Mills
Corey Joseph
Ish Smith

[winforlose]

I agree, he tweeted that in a confusing way. Looking at his summary rules tweet, I think he is trying to say that teams over the second apron can create and use TPE’s from trades made this season, but they can’t use them if they generated them by sign-and-trading their own player.

For example, if we traded Towns into another team’s cap space, we could use that TPE. But we can’t use a TPE created from a player we signed-and-traded, like Kyle.

Thanks shrink. So basically we're effed! Any ideas what we do about a backup 3rd string PG?

They can offer Jordan MacLaughlin more than the vet min, and he should take it. Good deal for us too, maintaining our continuity, but he’s quite limited and you have to pray his three point shot continues to fall.

Here’s a list of some free agent PGs. I don’t know who would come here to play for the minimum, but that’s all we can offer.

Tyus Jones. (Too expensive)
Spencer Dinwiddie
Kyle Lowry
Patrick Beverley
Cam Payne
Markelle Fultz
Dennis Smith Jr
Jordan Goodwin (MEM)
Killian Hayes
Malachi Flynn
Patty Mills
Corey Joseph
Ish Smith

Just so I understand. Had we signed Kyle to 9/27 and traded him in February would we get a trade exemption that could be used like a MLE for any player not bought out at over 12 million?

[KGdaBom]

Keeping up with the board today is a full time job.

[shrink]

Just so I understand. Had we signed Kyle to 9/27 and traded him in February ..

We couldn’t extend him because you can only extend three year deals, and only two years after the date the player signed. Anderson signed a two year deal July 8, 2022.

[cmoss84]

Question is what do we get?

Read on Twitter

?s=42&t=93VhwfrxAGRlMfWSrAs7iA

And we also got a box of chocolate

Can I have a piece?

You sure? Did you hear the box of chocolate analogy earlier for SloMo??? There are 4 "wildcards."

[winforlose]

And we also got a box of chocolate

Can I have a piece?

You sure? Did you hear the box of chocolate analogy earlier for SloMo??? There are 4 "wildcards."

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