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Post#261 » by Vindicater » Wed May 2, 2012 2:21 am

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Post#262 » by black bart » Wed May 2, 2012 6:16 am

1. Rubio
2. Terrence Ross
3. Iguodala
4. Love
5. Pek

Trade Wesley Johnson Derrick Williams Darko Millicic for Iguodala. Draft Terrence Ross. Save money for pek
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#263 » by Dewey » Wed May 2, 2012 11:22 am

the only way Beas stays is if we move web/wes, and Beas signs for cheap knowing he'd be a reserve behind Iggy.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#264 » by EddyCool » Wed May 2, 2012 12:34 pm

nhh90 wrote:1. Rubio
2. Terrence Ross
3. Iguodala
4. Love
5. Pek

Trade Wesley Johnson Derrick Williams Darko Millicic for Iguodala. Draft Terrence Ross. Save money for pek

In no universe is Terrence Ross a starter in his rookie season. I like that he might be available, but expecting him - especially in his rookie season - to be able to contribute more than Wayne is bonkers.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#265 » by Worm Guts » Wed May 2, 2012 12:46 pm

EddyCool wrote:In no universe is Terrence Ross a starter in his rookie season. I like that he might be available, but expecting him - especially in his rookie season - to be able to contribute more than Wayne is bonkers.


I think that's a little over the top. No guarantees, but I wouldn't overly surprised if he was able to come in and start as a rookie. It's not like he'd be facing a ton of competition.
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Post#266 » by EddyCool » Wed May 2, 2012 1:23 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I think that's a little over the top. No guarantees, but I wouldn't overly surprised if he was able to come in and start as a rookie. It's not like he'd be facing a ton of competition.

Again, I'd be happy if he's there for us (I think I like Quincy Miller more long-term), but I can't for a second see him starting.

Adelman's history (which we saw this year) of giving minutes to established players over rookies combined with his comments about adding guys with whom you know what you have is the first scenario. That, along with Ross not being much of a ball-handler (point of emphasis for the off-season) and expecting that his defensive and shooting impact will certainly drop with the huge talent difference between NBA and PAC-12 ball (especially last season - bleh). Any rookie will be behind a team that's already behind in practice time and chemistry in their system, and again, there's a guy with 3 years experience and similar skill-set by reputation (minus the defensive outlook, long-term) in Wayne Ellington still on the roster - a guy that posters would just assume we cast off to open up a roster spot. It feels similar to the perception of Malcolm Lee before the season started, where people were penciling him in as a starting off-guard by mid-season.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#267 » by Worm Guts » Wed May 2, 2012 2:01 pm

Malcolm Lee was picked 43rd overall, Ellington was picked 28th overall. That's a significant gap from where we'll be picking. It depends on who else we acquire during the offseason, but given who is currently on the roster I'd expect a mid 1st round pick to compete for a starting job. If you don't expect that, I think your expectations are too low.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#268 » by C.lupus » Wed May 2, 2012 2:10 pm

nhh90 wrote:1. Rubio
2. Terrence Ross
3. Iguodala
4. Love
5. Pek

Trade Wesley Johnson Derrick Williams Darko Millicic for Iguodala. Draft Terrence Ross. Save money for pek

I like both Iggy and Ross for this team. I think we can get Iggy without having to give up Williams, though. Trade Derrick for a starting vet SG (have Ross be the backup 2/3) and/or a backup C/PF. I'd be very happy with that offseason.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#269 » by Esohny » Wed May 2, 2012 3:45 pm

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nhh90 wrote:1. Rubio
2. Terrence Ross
3. Iguodala
4. Love
5. Pek

Trade Wesley Johnson Derrick Williams Darko Millicic for Iguodala. Draft Terrence Ross. Save money for pek

I like both Iggy and Ross for this team. I think we can get Iggy without having to give up Williams, though. Trade Derrick for a starting vet SG (have Ross be the backup 2/3) and/or a backup C/PF. I'd be very happy with that offseason.


That sounds like a pretty nice plan. I could also handle using #18 on a defensive center (Leonard, maybe Melo), amnesty Darko, and use the combination of Williams, Johnson, and cap space to bring in the wings that are needed.
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Post#270 » by C.lupus » Wed May 2, 2012 4:26 pm

Yep. That works, too.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#271 » by Basti » Wed May 2, 2012 8:26 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:Saw on twitter someone asked Wolfson about the Wolves and Mayo...He said he's on our radar, and realistic and he doubts Memphis would match.

Still think he's our best bet. Waive Martell/Brad, amnesty Darko, and then we can re-sign Beasley / AR to lower their capholds....sign Mayo. Then we still have #18 / Wes / Ellington / Barea or Luke / AR / Beas and D-will as possible trade chips. What if this happened?

Trade Webster / Miller / #18 / Wes(~$14) for Iggy($14.7).

Amnesty Dorko.

Re-sign Beasley(maybe a deal around $5m, but short with an option for either side).
Sign Mayo to something around 6-7m per.

Rubio / Barea
Mayo / Ridnour / Ellington
Iggy / Beasley
Love / D-will
Pekovic / Love?

Could easily find a solid backup center for our cap exception or something, maybe someone like Kwame Brown / Nazr Mohammed.


While I wouldn't like giving up on Williams after only one year, an irregular one to begin with, I'd try to trade him for an athletic defensive big man for our bench. Best case scenario, IMO, would be to try a (three team) deal with Chicago to get Asik for Williams (plus necessary fillers).
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#272 » by LordBaldric » Wed May 2, 2012 9:35 pm

Basti wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:Saw on twitter someone asked Wolfson about the Wolves and Mayo...He said he's on our radar, and realistic and he doubts Memphis would match.

Still think he's our best bet. Waive Martell/Brad, amnesty Darko, and then we can re-sign Beasley / AR to lower their capholds....sign Mayo. Then we still have #18 / Wes / Ellington / Barea or Luke / AR / Beas and D-will as possible trade chips. What if this happened?

Trade Webster / Miller / #18 / Wes(~$14) for Iggy($14.7).

Amnesty Dorko.

Re-sign Beasley(maybe a deal around $5m, but short with an option for either side).
Sign Mayo to something around 6-7m per.

Rubio / Barea
Mayo / Ridnour / Ellington
Iggy / Beasley
Love / D-will
Pekovic / Love?

Could easily find a solid backup center for our cap exception or something, maybe someone like Kwame Brown / Nazr Mohammed.


While I wouldn't like giving up on Williams after only one year, an irregular one to begin with, I'd try to trade him for an athletic defensive big man for our bench. Best case scenario, IMO, would be to try a (three team) deal with Chicago to get Asik for Williams (plus necessary fillers).


No no no no. If we want Asik just sign him outright. Reinsdorf isn't going to match and go into the tax next year.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#273 » by AQuintus » Wed May 2, 2012 10:11 pm

Basti wrote:
While I wouldn't like giving up on Williams after only one year, an irregular one to begin with, I'd try to trade him for an athletic defensive big man for our bench. Best case scenario, IMO, would be to try a (three team) deal with Chicago to get Asik for Williams (plus necessary fillers).


The necessary fillers in an Asik for Williams trade would have to be a player better than Asik.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#274 » by Basti » Wed May 2, 2012 10:45 pm

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Basti wrote:While I wouldn't like giving up on Williams after only one year, an irregular one to begin with, I'd try to trade him for an athletic defensive big man for our bench. Best case scenario, IMO, would be to try a (three team) deal with Chicago to get Asik for Williams (plus necessary fillers).


No no no no. If we want Asik just sign him outright. Reinsdorf isn't going to match and go into the tax next year.


Oh, I didn't know he was a FA this year. My bad. I'd rather we signed him then instead of using a valuable trade asset like Williams.

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Basti wrote:
While I wouldn't like giving up on Williams after only one year, an irregular one to begin with, I'd try to trade him for an athletic defensive big man for our bench. Best case scenario, IMO, would be to try a (three team) deal with Chicago to get Asik for Williams (plus necessary fillers).


The necessary fillers in an Asik for Williams trade would have to be a player better than Asik.


That's why I said it should be a three team deal. Not sure how it could be done, however. I was merely adding another aspect to a solid off-season plan.
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Post#275 » by Narf » Thu May 3, 2012 12:01 am

What about Noah for Williams + salary?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#276 » by moss_is_1 » Thu May 3, 2012 12:14 am

Narf wrote:What about Noah for Williams + salary?

I would like Noah next to Love, but then we still have Pekovic too.
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Post#277 » by AQuintus » Thu May 3, 2012 12:34 am

Narf wrote:What about Noah for Williams + salary?


Doesn't make sense to use our best trade asset to upgrade the backup C/PF spot when we have such huge holes at both starting SG and SF.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#278 » by Krapinsky » Thu May 3, 2012 4:50 am

AQuintus wrote:
Narf wrote:What about Noah for Williams + salary?


Doesn't make sense to use our best trade asset to upgrade the backup C/PF spot when we have such huge holes at both starting SG and SF.


Noah is a better fit than Pekovic though. We could then use Pek to upgrade the SG/SF spot.
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Post#279 » by shangrila » Thu May 3, 2012 4:54 am

Noah is probably Chicago's 2nd best player. I don't think there's any way they'd give him up for Williams and fillers.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#280 » by Grits n Gravy » Thu May 3, 2012 5:05 am

orrrrr....we could just jump in our hot tub time machine and draft my boy jonas :banghead: :nonono:

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