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Who won the deal?

Minnesota by a large margin.
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4%
Minnesota by a small margin.
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14%
Good for both teams
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45%
Philadelphia by a small margin.
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Philadelphia by a large margin.
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Post#261 » by K4P » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:33 am

Neeva wrote:
KAT4PREZ wrote:The Minnesota Timberwolves will make the playoffs this season.

100% calling it now.


Warriors, jazz , nuggets, blazers, rockets, spurs, thunder
Clippers/pelicans?
i just do not see it.

There are a lot of variables on the Wolves roster we really don't know what we have without Jimmy. Best case scenario I think the Wolves can compete with the Blazers, Thunder, Clippers and Pelicans for a spot. They have more depth and the offense is being run moreso through Rose, Towns and Wiggins. All those open shots Tyus and Okogie miss can go to Saric and RoCo. Bench and starters as a whole get better.
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Post#262 » by GooniousMaximus » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:33 am

finally at least this is over, I guess if we want to sugar coat it, we can say we traded Dunn, Lavine, and the #7 for these guys...if thats any better. should have just traded him back to the Bulls with Thibs
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Post#263 » by Coach Carter » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:36 am

Saric is good guys, just wait n see.
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Post#264 » by Grubie024 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:38 am

HOWARD CASSELL! Paging Howard Cassell! (or whatever his name was)
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Post#265 » by LibertyPrime » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:40 am

We got ourselves a stretch-4 and one of the premier 3-and-D guys in the league, both important ingredients in the modern game (well, presuming the league settles down and starts valuing defense again at some point). And both on reasonable contracts. I'm happy. Since the identity of the team is rapidly becoming Rose/KAT/Wiggins, we don't need any other cooks in the kitchen. But mostly I'm just happy the Butler nightmare is over.
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Post#266 » by Alwaysrightguy » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:40 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:I think ill miss patton more than ill miss jimmy.
THERE is where Minnesota messed up IF Patton stays healthy .

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two surgeries on the same bad foot! wtf is there to miss? the guy will be lucky to have an NBA career being that big with a bum foot.
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Post#267 » by K4P » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:50 am

There is a whole lot of "We didn't want him anyway!" going on on RealGM right now...
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Post#268 » by Bucketgetter » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:55 am

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Top 60? I wouldn't go that far. I understand (kinda) your love for Covington but young? He is only a year younger than Butler and is BY FAR the best 3 point shooter the Wolves have at the moment...It obviously is not enough and Wiggins has been shooting more 3s, but still reverting back to his jack up long 2s mode sometimes...Saric is 24, which fits the timeline of the Towns, Wiggins and Okogie core, but looks like a streaky shooter at best and a product of great players like Simmons and Embiid commanding double teams so Saric has open looks... Don't think he'll get as many open looks on the Wolves...
Wolves gave up Patton so why couldn't they get the 76ers to give up Fultz? Both are younger guys that still have to prove themselves.. Fultz would have fit the timeline with the Wolves core and allowed him to grow with them.

1. Covington is still 27
2. Tolliver is a better 3 point shooter than RoCo. So not even the best, and certainly not BY FAR.
3. Those two aren't even comparable lmao. Patton has played 4 minutes and is so injured we declined his 3rd year option. He's a FA at the end of this year, worth nothing to us. Fultz still has major upside and is a part of the 76ers future plans.




1. Read it wrong about Covington's age. He'll be 28 next month.

2. Percentage-wise Tolliver is better but that is skewed because Covington attempts more 3s than Tolliver. Tolliver has never averaged more than 4.6 3s a game in his career (per basketballreference.com). Covington has averaged 6 3pt attempts since his 2nd season.

3. Fultz has only played 27 games, which isn't a big sample either. Both have major upside but have yet to prove their potential. I would've added another player (Tyus or whoever) to get Fultz.

1. Are you saying I read it wrong or you did? Because you also said "As for Covington, he is the 3 and D guy Wolves need, but he is already 28 (only a year younger than Butler)" in another post.

2. And that's also skewed because RoCo plays more minutes. Their per 36 attempts were actually very similar last year, with RoCo at 7.8 and AT at 7.5. However AT shot 43.6% and RoCo only 36.9%. This year in a small sample size AT is actually shooting more 3s than RoCo per 36, as well as shooting them at a better percentage. Tolliver is the better shooter. RoCo is the better player, and therefore plays more.

3. You don't understand the situation Patton is in. We already declined his option. He's a FA next year and currently doing nothing this year with a broken foot. There was no upside to keeping him and his value was literally zero to us.
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Post#269 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:06 am

Covington may not win you a dunk contest or a league mvp, but all nba first team defense is an accomplishment.

Fans complain about wanting more defense, then we get 1 of the absolute best in the nba, now people are upset because he isn't a flamethrower like zach?
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Post#270 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:07 am

This trade has ZERO vision. I have no idea what they are trying to do. It sure isn't to try and make the playoffs and it sure isn't to try to improve for the future. It seems to have no real goal but to make a move to be slightly below average. Why?

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Post#271 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:16 am

SO_MONEY wrote:This trade has ZERO vision. I have no idea what they are trying to do. It sure isn't to try and make the playoffs and it sure isn't to try to improve for the future. It seems to have no real goal but to make a move to be slightly below average. Why?

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Here's your vision...


KAT gets more shots meanwhile we have 2 guys who can hit 3's space the floor for him. and theres less locker room cancer.

there. how the hell does that need to be spelled out for you? Also another realty check...nobody is beating Golden State this year.
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Post#272 » by Bucketgetter » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:21 am

SO_MONEY wrote:This trade has ZERO vision. I have no idea what they are trying to do. It sure isn't to try and make the playoffs and it sure isn't to try to improve for the future. It seems to have no real goal but to make a move to be slightly below average. Why?

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How is this not trying to improve for the future? We got solid 24 and 27 year old role players on team friendly deals who fit well with our franchise cornerstones. Bayless frees up some cap space after this year. The 2nd rounder could at least become interesting because it's the more favorable of 2 teams and that could be the first year that the 1 and done rule is over. We got rid of a malcontent cancer sandbagging our team, and a wasted pick taking up a roster spot. Like you said, this probably isn't getting us to the playoffs, so we most likely will also get a lotto pick in not only what looks like a stacked draft, but the first year that the lotto odds spread out.

The value isn't great for Butler, but what do you expect when every team knows we have to trade him and he is currently ruining the team? Think before you vent.
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Post#273 » by Bucketgetter » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:22 am

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:This trade has ZERO vision. I have no idea what they are trying to do. It sure isn't to try and make the playoffs and it sure isn't to try to improve for the future. It seems to have no real goal but to make a move to be slightly below average. Why?

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Here's your vision...


KAT gets more shots meanwhile we have 2 guys who can hit 3's space the floor for him. and theres less locker room cancer.

there. how the hell does that need to be spelled out for you? Also another realty check...nobody is beating Golden State this year.

I still decided to spell it out for him lol.
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Post#274 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:25 am

None of what you said has answered why this team made a trade with no vision. You are correct, GS is all but unbeatable, but again that makes it all the more confounding the deal we made. Like I said it doesn't get you to the playoffs, it doesn't make you a force in the furure, it makes you slightly below average.

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Post#275 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:26 am

SO_MONEY wrote:None of what you said has answered why this team made a trade with no vision. You are correct, GS is all but unbeatable, but again that makes it all the more confounding the deal we made. Like I said it doesn't get you to the playoffs, it doesn't make you a force in the furure, it makes you slightly below average.

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We went below average signing andrew to a max deal.
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Post#276 » by southern wolf » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:33 am

I like the deal. Covington is a super streaky, hot and cold shooter but is a great defender and Saric will space the floor and is still relatively young. Hopefully we can use Saric and Towns like New Orleans does when pairing Davis and Mirotic. Our biggest needs were still defenders and shooters and I feel like we got that.

The Sixers could be scary, but Brett Brown will have his hands full managing Butler and Embiid's egos.
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Post#277 » by jpatrick » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:34 am

I don’t think this is the deal I’d have taken. Thibs saw this as the best way to get win now pieces. RoCo is a guy that any win in team could use and Saric provides what we lost with Belly. However, neither has a lot of room for improvement and they basically ensure we’re picking between 12-16 in the draft. We also have no flexibility financially going forward. I see no path to this team even competing for home court in the playoffs.

Personally, I would have taken Richardson because I think with his D, 20ppg, 40% 3pt, he could be a top 3 player in a very good team. His upside was worth the gamble. I’d also taken the Rockets deal if the picks were unprotected bc it would mean we would get a high lotto pick this year plus currency for future deals. I could see a path to get another star.
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Post#278 » by southern wolf » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:37 am

SO_MONEY wrote:None of what you said has answered why this team made a trade with no vision. You are correct, GS is all but unbeatable, but again that makes it all the more confounding the deal we made. Like I said it doesn't get you to the playoffs, it doesn't make you a force in the furure, it makes you slightly below average.

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No team was going to give up young players who would make us a force in the future or players that would instantly lift us to the playoffs for Butler with the threat of him walking. You've got to be realistic about what was on offer for him.
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Post#279 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:41 am

Bucketgetter wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:This trade has ZERO vision. I have no idea what they are trying to do. It sure isn't to try and make the playoffs and it sure isn't to try to improve for the future. It seems to have no real goal but to make a move to be slightly below average. Why?

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How is this not trying to improve for the future? We got solid 24 and 27 year old role players on team friendly deals who fit well with our franchise cornerstones. Bayless frees up some cap space after this year. The 2nd rounder could at least become interesting because it's the more favorable of 2 teams and that could be the first year that the 1 and done rule is over. We got rid of a malcontent cancer sandbagging our team, and a wasted pick taking up a roster spot. Like you said, this probably isn't getting us to the playoffs, so we most likely will also get a lotto pick in not only what looks like a stacked draft, but the first year that the lotto odds spread out.

The value isn't great for Butler, but what do you expect when every team knows we have to trade him and he is currently ruining the team? Think before you vent.
We got a 27 (28) y/o who doesn't fit with the timeline and only helps us become slightly below average and that is in conjunction with a 24 y/o who might fit the timeline, but is likewise just a role player.

We passed on a chance for obtaining a difference maker, if only but a chance, for mediocrity. Again that make ZERO sense. Just like playing Butler made ZERO sense.

The actions of this team are confusing and to deny that or to tell me to think before I vent just demonstrates your blindness to the realities of 1. where we are and 2. what needs/needed to be done. And finally 3. where this trade puts us relitive to the other two.

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Post#280 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:43 am

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:None of what you said has answered why this team made a trade with no vision. You are correct, GS is all but unbeatable, but again that makes it all the more confounding the deal we made. Like I said it doesn't get you to the playoffs, it doesn't make you a force in the furure, it makes you slightly below average.

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I agree. More proof this team does nothing right. I have no idea what our trepidation is in letting the market determine value of players.

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