The Tim Connelly Thread (prev./still Fire Him)

[Mattya]

1. Which owner?

2. He had an out in his contract, no owner could force him to do much of anything.

The majority owner of the team Glen Taylor, nobody else has a say in ownership decisions over Glen.

Let’s call this 65% true. The other parts are that any decision that immediately effects the value of the team could be disputed in court (injunctive relief by the new ownership group,) and Glen would want to keep TC who has an out in his deal. If TC said I will quit rather than put my name to this deal, I don’t believe the deal happens.

1. Cutting costs to a team might hurt wins and losses but it might not hurt the value of the team.

2. Connelly can’t just quit, he has an opt out that he extended thru this season months before this trade happened.

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The majority owner of the team Glen Taylor, nobody else has a say in ownership decisions over Glen.

Let’s call this 65% true. The other parts are that any decision that immediately effects the value of the team could be disputed in court (injunctive relief by the new ownership group,) and Glen would want to keep TC who has an out in his deal. If TC said I will quit rather than put my name to this deal, I don’t believe the deal happens.

1. Cutting costs to a team might hurt wins and losses but it might not hurt the value of the team.

2. Connelly can’t just quit, he has an opt out that he extended thru this season months before this trade happened.

1. A team trying to get a new arena built needs to win. Also given what happened after 03-04 the value is extremely vulnerable should a hint of a repeat happen following 23-24.

2. Sorry, but he could publicly announce that he will be leaving at the conclusion of the year as a result of disagreements between himself and ownership about the direction of the team. This gives everyone a chance to prepare for next year. His situation is an endorsement of the move, not a rejection of it.

[Mattya]

Let’s call this 65% true. The other parts are that any decision that immediately effects the value of the team could be disputed in court (injunctive relief by the new ownership group,) and Glen would want to keep TC who has an out in his deal. If TC said I will quit rather than put my name to this deal, I don’t believe the deal happens.

1. Cutting costs to a team might hurt wins and losses but it might not hurt the value of the team.

2. Connelly can’t just quit, he has an opt out that he extended thru this season months before this trade happened.

1. A team trying to get a new arena built needs to win. Also given what happened after 03-04 the value is extremely vulnerable should a hint of a repeat happen following 23-24.

2. Sorry, but he could publicly announce that he will be leaving at the conclusion of the year as a result of disagreements between himself and ownership about the direction of the team. This gives everyone a chance to prepare for next year. His situation is an endorsement of the move, not a rejection of it.

1. Glen has put out multiple times that he wants to build a new arena hasn’t mattered how the team has done to him any of those other times.

2. Do you have an example of a GM ever doing this?

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1. Cutting costs to a team might hurt wins and losses but it might not hurt the value of the team.

2. Connelly can’t just quit, he has an opt out that he extended thru this season months before this trade happened.

1. A team trying to get a new arena built needs to win. Also given what happened after 03-04 the value is extremely vulnerable should a hint of a repeat happen following 23-24.

2. Sorry, but he could publicly announce that he will be leaving at the conclusion of the year as a result of disagreements between himself and ownership about the direction of the team. This gives everyone a chance to prepare for next year. His situation is an endorsement of the move, not a rejection of it.

1. Glen has put out multiple times that he wants to build a new arena hasn’t mattered how the team has done to him any of those other times.

2. Do you have an example of a GM ever doing this?

1. If you want public money to build the statement having a winning team helps.

2. I have examples of GMs making it public that ownership forced a trade. It might even be on this thread that Shrink talked about TC being forced to trade Rudy. I know about Glen forcing the sale of the Mario Chalmers pick. As for the contractual out amidst an ownership battle, amidst 2nd apron drama (the 2nd apron is new,) amidst targeting a guy that TC badly wanted last season, I have no clue. The thing speaks for itself.

[Mattya]

1. A team trying to get a new arena built needs to win. Also given what happened after 03-04 the value is extremely vulnerable should a hint of a repeat happen following 23-24.

2. Sorry, but he could publicly announce that he will be leaving at the conclusion of the year as a result of disagreements between himself and ownership about the direction of the team. This gives everyone a chance to prepare for next year. His situation is an endorsement of the move, not a rejection of it.

1. Glen has put out multiple times that he wants to build a new arena hasn’t mattered how the team has done to him any of those other times.

2. Do you have an example of a GM ever doing this?

1. If you want public money to build the statement having a winning team helps.

2. I have examples of GMs making it public that ownership forced a trade. It might even be on this thread that Shrink talked about TC being forced to trade Rudy. I know about Glen forcing the sale of the Mario Chalmers pick. As for the contractual out amidst an ownership battle, amidst 2nd apron drama (the 2nd apron is new,) amidst targeting a guy that TC badly wanted last season, I have no clue. The thing speaks for itself.

1. Sure, and he hasn't cared about team success when asking for money in the past.

2. TC being forced to do trades in the past and not quitting isn't exactly the defense of your train of thought that I think you want to make.

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1. Glen has put out multiple times that he wants to build a new arena hasn’t mattered how the team has done to him any of those other times.

2. Do you have an example of a GM ever doing this?

1. If you want public money to build the statement having a winning team helps.

2. I have examples of GMs making it public that ownership forced a trade. It might even be on this thread that Shrink talked about TC being forced to trade Rudy. I know about Glen forcing the sale of the Mario Chalmers pick. As for the contractual out amidst an ownership battle, amidst 2nd apron drama (the 2nd apron is new,) amidst targeting a guy that TC badly wanted last season, I have no clue. The thing speaks for itself.

1. Sure, and he hasn't cared about team success when asking for money in the past.

2. TC being forced to do trades in the past and not quitting isn't exactly the defense of your train of thought that I think you want to make.

1. First, it’s not only Glen this time around.

2. I will break this down for you. A) TC tried to sign DDV in free agency for 23/24 so we know TC likes DDV. B) TC has made it public in the past when he felt his hand was forced by ownership. C) TC did not make anything public to that effect with the KAT trade. D) TC is in a unique position to leave a franchise and not get tagged with the trade. He avoided that here. All of this suggests TC wanted to make this trade. This, TC should take the blame for it.

[Mattya]

1. If you want public money to build the statement having a winning team helps.

2. I have examples of GMs making it public that ownership forced a trade. It might even be on this thread that Shrink talked about TC being forced to trade Rudy. I know about Glen forcing the sale of the Mario Chalmers pick. As for the contractual out amidst an ownership battle, amidst 2nd apron drama (the 2nd apron is new,) amidst targeting a guy that TC badly wanted last season, I have no clue. The thing speaks for itself.

1. Sure, and he hasn't cared about team success when asking for money in the past.

2. TC being forced to do trades in the past and not quitting isn't exactly the defense of your train of thought that I think you want to make.

1. First, it’s not only Glen this time around.

2. I will break this down for you. A) TC tried to sign DDV in free agency for 23/24 so we know TC likes DDV. B) TC has made it public in the past when he felt his hand was forced by ownership. C) TC did not make anything public to that effect with the KAT trade. D) TC is in a unique position to leave a franchise and not get tagged with the trade. He avoided that here. All of this suggests TC wanted to make this trade. This, TC should take the blame for it.

1. It is only Glen this time around, did you forget the he pretty much excommunicated Lore and ARod from communicating on behalf of the team.

2. Did Connelly say this while employed by Denver?

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1. Sure, and he hasn't cared about team success when asking for money in the past.

2. TC being forced to do trades in the past and not quitting isn't exactly the defense of your train of thought that I think you want to make.

1. First, it’s not only Glen this time around.

2. I will break this down for you. A) TC tried to sign DDV in free agency for 23/24 so we know TC likes DDV. B) TC has made it public in the past when he felt his hand was forced by ownership. C) TC did not make anything public to that effect with the KAT trade. D) TC is in a unique position to leave a franchise and not get tagged with the trade. He avoided that here. All of this suggests TC wanted to make this trade. This, TC should take the blame for it.

1. It is only Glen this time around, did you forget the he pretty much excommunicated Lore and ARod from communicating on behalf of the team.

2. Did Connelly say this while employed by Denver?

1. Making major changes which could affect valuation could be challenged through the courts. Injunctive relief would be complicated in this context, but with the current situation it is far from impossible.

2. I don’t know when said it. I do know that if he waits till the KAT trade fails to condemn it then he would be seen as taking the cowards way out. If he stays silent and takes credit for a win if the trade goes well, but shifts the blame to ownership in a trade loss that is the opposite of a power move.

[Mattya]

1. First, it’s not only Glen this time around.

2. I will break this down for you. A) TC tried to sign DDV in free agency for 23/24 so we know TC likes DDV. B) TC has made it public in the past when he felt his hand was forced by ownership. C) TC did not make anything public to that effect with the KAT trade. D) TC is in a unique position to leave a franchise and not get tagged with the trade. He avoided that here. All of this suggests TC wanted to make this trade. This, TC should take the blame for it.

1. It is only Glen this time around, did you forget the he pretty much excommunicated Lore and ARod from communicating on behalf of the team.

2. Did Connelly say this while employed by Denver?

1. Making major changes which could affect valuation could be challenged through the courts. Injunctive relief would be complicated in this context, but with the current situation it is far from impossible.

2. I don’t know when said it. I do know that if he waits till the KAT trade fails to condemn it then he would be seen as taking the cowards way out. If he stays silent and takes credit for a win if the trade goes well, but shifts the blame to ownership in a trade loss that is the opposite of a power move.

1. Making major changes for cost savings measures also saves money for Glen. Who doesn't seem to interested in selling the team anymore.

2. Is that really so out of the realm of possibility, that the guy just didn't want the guy who pays the checks to look bad? Most GMs try to inspire confidence in the trades they make.

[winforlose]

1. It is only Glen this time around, did you forget the he pretty much excommunicated Lore and ARod from communicating on behalf of the team.

2. Did Connelly say this while employed by Denver?

1. Making major changes which could affect valuation could be challenged through the courts. Injunctive relief would be complicated in this context, but with the current situation it is far from impossible.

2. I don’t know when said it. I do know that if he waits till the KAT trade fails to condemn it then he would be seen as taking the cowards way out. If he stays silent and takes credit for a win if the trade goes well, but shifts the blame to ownership in a trade loss that is the opposite of a power move.

1. Making major changes for cost savings measures also saves money for Glen. Who doesn't seem to interested in selling the team anymore.

2. Is that really so out of the realm of possibility, that the guy just didn't want the guy who pays the checks to look bad? Most GMs try to inspire confidence in the trades they make.

1. Glen or Alore (Alore is their couple name,) it doesn’t matter. The cost saving is the year after this one if at all. I don’t care whose fault it is or why they ****** us, I care that they f**ked us. Honestly this conversation doesn’t seem to realize that whether Glen’s the A**hole or Alore are the A**holes, or TC is the A**hole something smells like ****.

2. It is possible that the guy TC badly wanted got traded here against TC’s will. It is also possible that when a guy tells his GF that he didn’t mean to cheat on her, and that it was an accident, he literally slipped on a banana peel and his belt was loose so his pants and boxers fell off and he just ended up in a compromising position thanks to gravity. Of course staying in that position for the entire duration was also not his fault, it’s that damn gravity and banana peel that prevented him from getting up or pulling out. If your done playing children’s games can we talk like adults again? Because the back and forth is just silly at this point.

[Mattya]

1. Making major changes which could affect valuation could be challenged through the courts. Injunctive relief would be complicated in this context, but with the current situation it is far from impossible.

2. I don’t know when said it. I do know that if he waits till the KAT trade fails to condemn it then he would be seen as taking the cowards way out. If he stays silent and takes credit for a win if the trade goes well, but shifts the blame to ownership in a trade loss that is the opposite of a power move.

1. Making major changes for cost savings measures also saves money for Glen. Who doesn't seem to interested in selling the team anymore.

2. Is that really so out of the realm of possibility, that the guy just didn't want the guy who pays the checks to look bad? Most GMs try to inspire confidence in the trades they make.

1. Glen or Alore (Alore is their couple name,) it doesn’t matter. The cost saving is the year after this one if at all. I don’t care whose fault it is or why they ****** us, I care that they f**ked us. Honestly this conversation doesn’t seem to realize that whether Glen’s the A**hole or Alore are the A**holes, or TC is the A**hole something smells like ****.

2. It is possible that the guy TC badly wanted got traded here against TC’s will. It is also possible that when a guy tells his GF that he didn’t mean to cheat on her, and that it was an accident, he literally slipped on a banana peel and his belt was loose so his pants and boxers fell off and he just ended up in a compromising position thanks to gravity. Of course staying in that position for the entire duration was also not his fault, it’s that damn gravity and banana peel that prevented him from getting up or pulling out. If your done playing children’s games can we talk like adults again? Because the back and forth is just silly at this point.

I'm sorry it is children's games to disagree with you now? lol No wonder you are so popular on the trade board.

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1. Making major changes for cost savings measures also saves money for Glen. Who doesn't seem to interested in selling the team anymore.

2. Is that really so out of the realm of possibility, that the guy just didn't want the guy who pays the checks to look bad? Most GMs try to inspire confidence in the trades they make.

1. Glen or Alore (Alore is their couple name,) it doesn’t matter. The cost saving is the year after this one if at all. I don’t care whose fault it is or why they ****** us, I care that they f**ked us. Honestly this conversation doesn’t seem to realize that whether Glen’s the A**hole or Alore are the A**holes, or TC is the A**hole something smells like ****.

2. It is possible that the guy TC badly wanted got traded here against TC’s will. It is also possible that when a guy tells his GF that he didn’t mean to cheat on her, and that it was an accident, he literally slipped on a banana peel and his belt was loose so his pants and boxers fell off and he just ended up in a compromising position thanks to gravity. Of course staying in that position for the entire duration was also not his fault, it’s that damn gravity and banana peel that prevented him from getting up or pulling out. If your done playing children’s games can we talk like adults again? Because the back and forth is just silly at this point.

I'm sorry it is children's games to disagree with you now? lol No wonder you are so popular on the trade board.

I am beloved everywhere I go . If you wanna talk like an adult state your opinion and explain it. For example your tap dancing saying you know TC badly wanted DDV, held up the KAT trade until DDV was included, but ownership obviously forced TC to acquire DDV to save money? You’re trying to have it both ways and it is just not working. If you have something you want to convey, then convey it! Beyond that, refusing to state a position and being contrary for the sake of it is a game my niece often plays.

[Mattya]

1. Glen or Alore (Alore is their couple name,) it doesn’t matter. The cost saving is the year after this one if at all. I don’t care whose fault it is or why they ****** us, I care that they f**ked us. Honestly this conversation doesn’t seem to realize that whether Glen’s the A**hole or Alore are the A**holes, or TC is the A**hole something smells like ****.

2. It is possible that the guy TC badly wanted got traded here against TC’s will. It is also possible that when a guy tells his GF that he didn’t mean to cheat on her, and that it was an accident, he literally slipped on a banana peel and his belt was loose so his pants and boxers fell off and he just ended up in a compromising position thanks to gravity. Of course staying in that position for the entire duration was also not his fault, it’s that damn gravity and banana peel that prevented him from getting up or pulling out. If your done playing children’s games can we talk like adults again? Because the back and forth is just silly at this point.

I'm sorry it is children's games to disagree with you now? lol No wonder you are so popular on the trade board.

I am beloved everywhere I go . If you wanna talk like an adult state your opinion and explain it. For example your tap dancing saying you know TC badly wanted DDV, held up the KAT trade until DDV was included, but ownership obviously forced TC to acquire DDV to save money? You’re trying to have it both ways and it is just not working. If you have something you want to convey, then convey it! Beyond that, refusing to state a position and being contrary for the sake of it is a game my niece often plays.

No I can very much tell you are not.

I stated my opinion. TC wanting to add a bench player doesn’t mean he is going to trade KAT for him. You want to talk about a child’s logic. Just because you are trying to think of any way to make this not a financial move from ownership is hilarious. We now can’t take on salary, and can’t aggregate salary for another star in trades for a sixth man? Meanwhile you say TC would vocally say he was forced into doing such a trade based off of a quote you can’t date or source.

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I'm sorry it is children's games to disagree with you now? lol No wonder you are so popular on the trade board.

I am beloved everywhere I go . If you wanna talk like an adult state your opinion and explain it. For example your tap dancing saying you know TC badly wanted DDV, held up the KAT trade until DDV was included, but ownership obviously forced TC to acquire DDV to save money? You’re trying to have it both ways and it is just not working. If you have something you want to convey, then convey it! Beyond that, refusing to state a position and being contrary for the sake of it is a game my niece often plays.

No I can very much tell you are not.

I stated my opinion. TC wanting to add a bench player doesn’t mean he is going to trade KAT for him. You want to talk about a child’s logic. Just because you are trying to think of any way to make this not a financial move from ownership is hilarious. We now can’t take on salary, and can’t aggregate salary for another star in trades for a sixth man? Meanwhile you say TC would vocally say he was forced into doing such a trade based off of a quote you can’t date or source.

Ok, I went back a bit and did some reading trying to better understand you. You claim not to be trolling, and I am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. Normally I wouldn’t resort to personal attacks but since you keep challenging my like ability as a means of discrediting my position, I have to question your overall intelligence.

Your position is that TC did not willingly make the KAT trade. He was forced to be my management to save money. Never mind the fact that such trades usually send Randle to a third team and return us draft capital. Never mind the fact that it is a matter of common knowledge that the trade happened as late as it did because DDV wasn’t made available by NYK until just before the season. Never mind the fact that Glen wants to keep TC and forcing TC to make a trade is a great way to lose him. Never mind the fact that new ownership brought TC in and they don’t want to lose him. Your entire argument is essentially TC is too smart to make a bad trade? Or perhaps this was the best available KAT trade and TC had a mandate to move KAT? If it’s the latter you should remember the trade deadline isn’t until February, and this seasons tax bill isn’t much lower at all with the actual KAT trade that was made. The financial stuff happens next year, and that trade could have happened next year.

You want a quote, I will give you a quote. This a quote from a very intelligent and very beloved community member. Without further ado I give you Shrink.

“ To put it another way, you’re just going to blame who you want, even though the evidence disagrees.

1. All our insiders said Taylor had no hand in this deal.

2. Taylor has a long history of never interfering in GM’s deals. Even deals he doesn’t like, or will cost him far more money. He was on the record of not liking the Gobert deal at the time, but he gave Tim Connelly full trust to do what he wanted.

3. Tim Connelly also said ownership had no hand in this deal.

4. With Connelly’s one-year opt out, Taylor isn’t going to suddenly choose right now to supersede Connelly, ESPECIALLY because the biggest way to piss him off is to force him to do deals to save ownership money, like the Kroenke’s forced him to do in Denver.

5. If Taylor wanted to save money, wouldn’t he want to save it this season, because who knows if he owns the team next year? Does it make sense that Taylor is forcing a deal that makes the team worse now, when he’s owner, to maybe save ARod and Lore money later?

I don’t believe TC or Taylor is this stupid, so I choose TimberKat to blame for the trade.”

[Mattya]

I am beloved everywhere I go . If you wanna talk like an adult state your opinion and explain it. For example your tap dancing saying you know TC badly wanted DDV, held up the KAT trade until DDV was included, but ownership obviously forced TC to acquire DDV to save money? You’re trying to have it both ways and it is just not working. If you have something you want to convey, then convey it! Beyond that, refusing to state a position and being contrary for the sake of it is a game my niece often plays.

No I can very much tell you are not.

I stated my opinion. TC wanting to add a bench player doesn’t mean he is going to trade KAT for him. You want to talk about a child’s logic. Just because you are trying to think of any way to make this not a financial move from ownership is hilarious. We now can’t take on salary, and can’t aggregate salary for another star in trades for a sixth man? Meanwhile you say TC would vocally say he was forced into doing such a trade based off of a quote you can’t date or source.

Ok, I went back a bit and did some reading trying to better understand you. You claim not to be trolling, and I am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. Normally I wouldn’t resort to personal attacks but since you keep challenging my like ability as a means of discrediting my position, I have to question your overall intelligence.

Your position is that TC did not willingly make the KAT trade. He was forced to be my management to save money. Never mind the fact that such trades usually send Randle to a third team and return us draft capital. Never mind the fact that it is a matter of common knowledge that the trade happened as late as it did because DDV wasn’t made available by NYK until just before the season. Never mind the fact that Glen wants to keep TC and forcing TC to make a trade is a great way to lose him. Never mind the fact that new ownership brought TC in and they don’t want to lose him. Your entire argument is essentially TC is too smart to make a bad trade? Or perhaps this was the best available KAT trade and TC had a mandate to move KAT? If it’s the latter you should remember the trade deadline isn’t until February, and this seasons tax bill isn’t much lower at all with the actual KAT trade that was made. The financial stuff happens next year, and that trade could have happened next year.

You want a quote, I will give you a quote. This a quote from a very intelligent and very beloved community member. Without further ado I give you Shrink.

“ To put it another way, you’re just going to blame who you want, even though the evidence disagrees.


1. All our insiders said Taylor had no hand in this deal.

2. Taylor has a long history of never interfering in GM’s deals. Even deals he doesn’t like, or will cost him far more money. He was on the record of not liking the Gobert deal at the time, but he gave Tim Connelly full trust to do what he wanted.

3. Tim Connelly also said ownership had no hand in this deal.

4. With Connelly’s one-year opt out, Taylor isn’t going to suddenly choose right now to supersede Connelly, ESPECIALLY because the biggest way to piss him off is to force him to do deals to save ownership money, like the Kroenke’s forced him to do in Denver.

5. If Taylor wanted to save money, wouldn’t he want to save it this season, because who knows if he owns the team next year? Does it make sense that Taylor is forcing a deal that makes the team worse now, when he’s owner, to maybe save ARod and Lore money later?

I don’t believe TC or Taylor is this stupid, so I choose TimberKat to blame for the trade.”

lol calls people childish for not agreeing with him, acts surprised when he is unlikeable.

1. Our insiders are awful and have routinely been wrong, or work for Glen Taylor.

2. Glen Taylor has a history of not getting involved? Wut? The guy that both didn’t want to go after Connelly, didn’t want to trade for Gobert. There are plenty of deals in this teams history that were just straight cost savings moves.

3. I’m seeing a lot of your claim that Taylor wasn’t involved are people directly being paid by Taylor. Yet you still can’t provide the source or date of Connelly saying he was every forced by any organization while employed by said organization to make a move as proof that he has the leverage to do so now..

4. Oh yea, Glen Taylor would never piss off people that worked for him. The guy well regarded by none of our former stars. The guy currently in a legal battle with his minority owners(the ones who convinced Taylor to hire Connelly). If Connelly was actually interested in working long term for Glen he wouldn’t have signed a 1 year extension just in time to see the results of the ownership dispute.

5. Taylor is saving money now and we know doesn’t intend to sell to Lore or ARod, so he is saving money in the future as well.

“You are going to believe what you want to believe” is a pretty interesting thing for you to post in a debate where you can’t provide sources for quotes and tried to insinuate that anyone other that Glen has a say in ownership decisions.

[younggunsmn]

Tim Connelly will forever be know for his 2 horrible gigantic trades.

First paying about twice market value for Rudy Gobert.
Then giving away KAT for Julius Randle who actively makes teams worse every time he takes the court.

And the first trade caused financial problems that were a factor for the 2nd.

Just wait until Randle opts in to his player option next summer and we lose Naz and NAW as a result.

And those 4 first round picks and 2 pickswaps still outstanding come to pass.

[winforlose]

I'm sorry it is children's games to disagree with you now? lol No wonder you are so popular on the trade board.

I am beloved everywhere I go . If you wanna talk like an adult state your opinion and explain it. For example your tap dancing saying you know TC badly wanted DDV, held up the KAT trade until DDV was included, but ownership obviously forced TC to acquire DDV to save money? You’re trying to have it both ways and it is just not working. If you have something you want to convey, then convey it! Beyond that, refusing to state a position and being contrary for the sake of it is a game my niece often plays.

No I can very much tell you are not.

I stated my opinion. TC wanting to add a bench player doesn’t mean he is going to trade KAT for him. You want to talk about a child’s logic. Just because you are trying to think of any way to make this not a financial move from ownership is hilarious. We now can’t take on salary, and can’t aggregate salary for another star in trades for a sixth man? Meanwhile you say TC would vocally say he was forced into doing such a trade based off of a quote you can’t date or source.

1. I reject your premise that it is on me to provide proof of my positions while not providing proof of yours. Show me quotes where TC talks about being forced to make trades and not feeling free to talk about it until after he left a franchise. Likewise show me proof that Taylor plans to fire TC. I have it from Dane Moore and other sources that Glen wanted to hire TC but didn’t think he could because “people like that do come to Minnesota.” I also have from Dane “Glen was skeptical of the Rudy trade but went along with it.” In fact Lore and Arod talked about this with Dane and Kyle on a pod last year. Your entire argument is supposition yet you demand proof with regard to everything I say.

2. JR makes $33,073,920. DDV makes $11,445,000. KBD made $2,654,644. Karl makes $49,205,800. Add up the other 3 and you get $47,173,564. Your argument is that Glen forced TC to make a trade to save $2,205,800. Even with tax that is what 11 million total? Probably less. Logically speaking this makes no sense as a cap saving trade alone.

3. For the sake of argument, if TC did make this trade voluntarily would it make you want TC fired? If you cannot address this possibility honestly you have no business having any kind of adult discussion. My position is simply that if TC was forced to make this trade, to salvage his career he must leave Minnesota ASAP. He should have already publicly shamed Glen for forcing him to make a trade like this, and made it clear that he will exercise his option and hopes to move on in the next season. This is based on common sense and leverage. I have stated my opinion based on your premise, now I demand you state your opinion based on mine.

[Mattya]

I am beloved everywhere I go . If you wanna talk like an adult state your opinion and explain it. For example your tap dancing saying you know TC badly wanted DDV, held up the KAT trade until DDV was included, but ownership obviously forced TC to acquire DDV to save money? You’re trying to have it both ways and it is just not working. If you have something you want to convey, then convey it! Beyond that, refusing to state a position and being contrary for the sake of it is a game my niece often plays.

No I can very much tell you are not.

I stated my opinion. TC wanting to add a bench player doesn’t mean he is going to trade KAT for him. You want to talk about a child’s logic. Just because you are trying to think of any way to make this not a financial move from ownership is hilarious. We now can’t take on salary, and can’t aggregate salary for another star in trades for a sixth man? Meanwhile you say TC would vocally say he was forced into doing such a trade based off of a quote you can’t date or source.

1. I reject your premise that it is on me to provide proof of my positions while not providing proof of yours. Show me quotes where TC talks about being forced to make trades and not feeling free to talk about it until after he left a franchise. Likewise show me proof that Taylor plans to fire TC. I have it from Dane Moore and other sources that Glen wanted to hire TC but didn’t think he could because “people like that do come to Minnesota.” I also have from Dane “Glen was skeptical of the Rudy trade but went along with it.” In fact Lore and Arod talked about this with Dane and Kyle on a pod last year. Your entire argument is supposition yet you demand proof with regard to everything I say.

2. JR makes $33,073,920. DDV makes $11,445,000. KBD made $2,654,644. Karl makes $49,205,800. Add up the other 3 and you get $47,173,564. Your argument is that Glen forced TC to make a trade to save $2,205,800. Even with tax that is what 11 million total? Probably less. Logically speaking this makes no sense as a cap saving trade alone.

3. For the sake of argument, if TC did make this trade voluntarily would it make you want TC fired? If you cannot address this possibility honestly you have no business having any kind of adult discussion. My position is simply that if TC was forced to make this trade, to salvage his career he must leave Minnesota ASAP. He should have already publicly shamed Glen for forcing him to make a trade like this, and made it clear that he will exercise his option and hopes to move on in the next season. This is based on common sense and leverage. I have stated my opinion based on your premise, now I demand you state your opinion based on mine.

Wait a minute…you can’t be serious

1. You reject the premise that you need to source your claim to support your argument? I’m not the one claiming anyone said something to support their argument. You are. So again stop trying to deflect and provide the source and date for when Connelly apparently felt pressured by the Denver ownership to make trades, to support your argument that Connelly would force his position with Taylor if he tried the same. The fact that you are so upset by this is just telling on yourself that you made a dumb claim.

2. So Taylor is penny pinching this year and saving big on not having to pay KAT’s raises next year. But sure to you logically that doesn’t make sense. Why would it?

3. I called weeks ago that Connelly could be fired with how bad this season has gone. I welcome you to join the adult discussion once you provide the source of your claim that Connelly voiced his displeasure at being forced to do trades… considering you whine that people call you unlikable for not agreeing with your points I don’t think you could actually handle that.

[winforlose]

No I can very much tell you are not.

I stated my opinion. TC wanting to add a bench player doesn’t mean he is going to trade KAT for him. You want to talk about a child’s logic. Just because you are trying to think of any way to make this not a financial move from ownership is hilarious. We now can’t take on salary, and can’t aggregate salary for another star in trades for a sixth man? Meanwhile you say TC would vocally say he was forced into doing such a trade based off of a quote you can’t date or source.

1. I reject your premise that it is on me to provide proof of my positions while not providing proof of yours. Show me quotes where TC talks about being forced to make trades and not feeling free to talk about it until after he left a franchise. Likewise show me proof that Taylor plans to fire TC. I have it from Dane Moore and other sources that Glen wanted to hire TC but didn’t think he could because “people like that do come to Minnesota.” I also have from Dane “Glen was skeptical of the Rudy trade but went along with it.” In fact Lore and Arod talked about this with Dane and Kyle on a pod last year. Your entire argument is supposition yet you demand proof with regard to everything I say.

2. JR makes $33,073,920. DDV makes $11,445,000. KBD made $2,654,644. Karl makes $49,205,800. Add up the other 3 and you get $47,173,564. Your argument is that Glen forced TC to make a trade to save $2,205,800. Even with tax that is what 11 million total? Probably less. Logically speaking this makes no sense as a cap saving trade alone.

3. For the sake of argument, if TC did make this trade voluntarily would it make you want TC fired? If you cannot address this possibility honestly you have no business having any kind of adult discussion. My position is simply that if TC was forced to make this trade, to salvage his career he must leave Minnesota ASAP. He should have already publicly shamed Glen for forcing him to make a trade like this, and made it clear that he will exercise his option and hopes to move on in the next season. This is based on common sense and leverage. I have stated my opinion based on your premise, now I demand you state your opinion based on mine.

Wait a minute…you can’t be serious

1. You reject the premise that you need to source your claim to support your argument? I’m not the one claiming anyone said something to support their argument. You are. So again stop trying to deflect and provide the source and date for when Connelly apparently felt pressured by the Denver ownership to make trades, to support your argument that Connelly would force his position with Taylor if he tried the same. The fact that you are so upset by this is just telling on yourself that you made a dumb claim.

2. So Taylor is penny pinching this year and saving big on not having to pay KAT’s raises next year. But sure to you logically that doesn’t make sense. Why would it?

3. I called weeks ago that Connelly could be fired with how bad this season has gone. I welcome you to join the adult discussion once you provide the source of your claim that Connelly voiced his displeasure at being forced to do trades… considering you whine that people call you unlikable for not agreeing with your points I don’t think you could actually handle that.

1. This is good enough for what you’re asking for. https://thednvr.com/tim-connelly-is-heading-to-minnesota-and-we-all-know-whos-to-blame/. Regarding your not making claims that need proof, that is total horse manure. Your entire argument is speculation that you offer no proof. You have not one single source that says TC didn’t want to make the KAT trade.

2. Again you ignore what I said. If it was about saving money why bring back Randle? Why not send him to a 3rd team? Also, Randle is more likely to opt in than out. Who is gonna pay him 30+ and they need us to help them do it anyway because without bird rights signing Randle to the kind of money he wants is tricky. I won’t continue a conversation in which the other party refuses to address what I point out. I am 99% sure you are trolling and any response that doesn’t explain why the Wolves didn’t attempt to save more than 2 million (and change,) this year will be deemed trolling. Also please explain the timing of the trade. Why October instead of February?

3. You keep going back to personal attacks, and you wonder why I think you are childish? We agree that TC should be fired. It seems the only thing we disagree on is that TC would use the option to leave if he was forced into making trades he doesn’t want to make by ownership. It is no secret that he and Denver ownership had disagreements, you could have googled it. Is it that you think TC couldn’t get hired? I mean at this point I don’t even know why you arguing? Is it that you want us to hate Glen? To blame Glen for moving Karl. I already hate Glen for just about every draft before Ant, not to mention the Khan era, and all the other horrible hires.

[Mattya]

1. I reject your premise that it is on me to provide proof of my positions while not providing proof of yours. Show me quotes where TC talks about being forced to make trades and not feeling free to talk about it until after he left a franchise. Likewise show me proof that Taylor plans to fire TC. I have it from Dane Moore and other sources that Glen wanted to hire TC but didn’t think he could because “people like that do come to Minnesota.” I also have from Dane “Glen was skeptical of the Rudy trade but went along with it.” In fact Lore and Arod talked about this with Dane and Kyle on a pod last year. Your entire argument is supposition yet you demand proof with regard to everything I say.

2. JR makes $33,073,920. DDV makes $11,445,000. KBD made $2,654,644. Karl makes $49,205,800. Add up the other 3 and you get $47,173,564. Your argument is that Glen forced TC to make a trade to save $2,205,800. Even with tax that is what 11 million total? Probably less. Logically speaking this makes no sense as a cap saving trade alone.

3. For the sake of argument, if TC did make this trade voluntarily would it make you want TC fired? If you cannot address this possibility honestly you have no business having any kind of adult discussion. My position is simply that if TC was forced to make this trade, to salvage his career he must leave Minnesota ASAP. He should have already publicly shamed Glen for forcing him to make a trade like this, and made it clear that he will exercise his option and hopes to move on in the next season. This is based on common sense and leverage. I have stated my opinion based on your premise, now I demand you state your opinion based on mine.

Wait a minute…you can’t be serious

1. You reject the premise that you need to source your claim to support your argument? I’m not the one claiming anyone said something to support their argument. You are. So again stop trying to deflect and provide the source and date for when Connelly apparently felt pressured by the Denver ownership to make trades, to support your argument that Connelly would force his position with Taylor if he tried the same. The fact that you are so upset by this is just telling on yourself that you made a dumb claim.

2. So Taylor is penny pinching this year and saving big on not having to pay KAT’s raises next year. But sure to you logically that doesn’t make sense. Why would it?

3. I called weeks ago that Connelly could be fired with how bad this season has gone. I welcome you to join the adult discussion once you provide the source of your claim that Connelly voiced his displeasure at being forced to do trades… considering you whine that people call you unlikable for not agreeing with your points I don’t think you could actually handle that.

1. This is good enough for what you’re asking for. https://thednvr.com/tim-connelly-is-heading-to-minnesota-and-we-all-know-whos-to-blame/. Regarding your not making claims that need proof, that is total horse manure. Your entire argument is speculation that you offer no proof. You have not one single source that says TC didn’t want to make the KAT trade.

2. Again you ignore what I said. If it was about saving money why bring back Randle? Why not send him to a 3rd team? Also, Randle is more likely to opt in than out. Who is gonna pay him 30+ and they need us to help them do it anyway because without bird rights signing Randle to the kind of money he wants is tricky. I won’t continue a conversation in which the other party refuses to address what I point out. I am 99% sure you are trolling and any response that doesn’t explain why the Wolves didn’t attempt to save more than 2 million (and change,) this year will be deemed trolling. Also please explain the timing of the trade. Why October instead of February?

3. You keep going back to personal attacks, and you wonder why I think you are childish? We agree that TC should be fired. It seems the only thing we disagree on is that TC would use the option to leave if he was forced into making trades he doesn’t want to make by ownership. It is no secret that he and Denver ownership had disagreements, you could have googled it. Is it that you think TC couldn’t get hired? I mean at this point I don’t even know why you arguing? Is it that you want us to hate Glen? To blame Glen for moving Karl. I already hate Glen for just about every draft before Ant, not to mention the Khan era, and all the other horrible hires.

1. Huh? I want proof that Connelly was upset for being forced to make moves because of Denver's ownership, like you claimed, as a source FOR YOUR SPECULATION that Connelly absolutely would stand up for himself in such a situation. The best part is that this entire article is speculation. It could be a word for word description of Glen Taylor, but I guess speculation is allowed when you need it to pretend it supports your claim.

2. This isn't a serious post. Why didn't Connelly find a third team to take on the player who was traded off of injury, is a horrible defender and a mediocre offensive player who is a ball stopper, and so far hasn't played well and makes 33 million dollars for two seasons? What a silly argument. The Wolves were in a unique situation where taking on that player would still save them a lot of money. I have addressed your points, you just don't like that I'm not agreeing with your faulty logic, so you whine and call people childish for not agreeing with you.

3. Oh the guy who started and never stopped personally attacking me, is mad that he is being attacked in response. How about you just back up your claims instead of deflecting and playing the victim.