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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#261 » by younggunsmn » Thu May 30, 2024 10:19 pm

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shangrila wrote:He doesn't look 6-3 when I've watched him play. Given that players usually measure shorter at the Combine I wouldn't be surprised if he's closer to 6-2 or even 6-1 which, while taller than JMac, is still tiny comparative to the rest of the league. I'd also point out that he doesn't have the footspeed JMac has, although the point wasn't to compare the two anyway. I only said that I thought he could play a similar role.

But as I also said...I'm horrible at picking small guards. I was big on Kennedy Chandler and Tyty Washington after all.

Worth noting now that the Combine happened.....Kolek measured 6'1.25" barefoot....by comparison, in 2007 our Mike Conley measured 5'11" barefoot.

Jamal Shead came in at 6'0.25"

True, Kolek measured pretty close to how Marquette listed him. Same as Oso. So it looks like Marquette is one of the few schools you can trust with that.

In terms of comparing Shead and Kolek, Shead did give up an inch in height but actually had a slightly longer wingspan (6-3 vs 6-2.75) and strangely had an extra inch on standing reach. So despite being shorter Shead might practically be "taller".


6-3 wingspan? Ouch, that's almost Ty Lawson territory.
In case you haven't noticed Finch is pretty damn picky about the perimeter defense of the guards he plays.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#262 » by moss_is_1 » Fri May 31, 2024 4:12 am

Time to deep dive the draft the next month. Would be nice if we could get a couple young guys to crack the rotation(Moore, Minott, Miller, Clarke, or someone at 27/34).
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#263 » by Klomp » Fri May 31, 2024 4:29 am

younggunsmn wrote:Anyone who still feels like they're a rotation player isnt signing up for a bunch of DNP-CD's at the minimum.
Minott isn't going to be a rotation player next season. Or IMHO any season.

For the record, replacing Minott with someone on the veteran's minimum would ADD to our luxury tax bill.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#264 » by Domejandro » Fri May 31, 2024 4:52 am

Unfortunately, Hunter Sallis is staying at Wake Forest for his senior year.

Honestly would probably roll the dice on a younger player like Kyshawn George (probably have to trade up slightly) who has shown that he can shoot, and hope that his point-forward skills and defense further develop.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#265 » by minimus » Fri May 31, 2024 7:50 am

younggunsmn wrote: Minott isn't going to be a rotation player next season. Or IMHO any season.


younggunsmn wrote:IMHO it's far far more likely that Clark gets cut outright for another prospect than bumped to a standard deal


One problem I do see with Minott and Clark is that we already have limited in offense starting five, and unless TC dramatically improve our offensive firepower, we lack of scorers/shooters, rather than defenders.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#266 » by shangrila » Fri May 31, 2024 8:35 am

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Klomp wrote:Worth noting now that the Combine happened.....Kolek measured 6'1.25" barefoot....by comparison, in 2007 our Mike Conley measured 5'11" barefoot.

Jamal Shead came in at 6'0.25"

True, Kolek measured pretty close to how Marquette listed him. Same as Oso. So it looks like Marquette is one of the few schools you can trust with that.

In terms of comparing Shead and Kolek, Shead did give up an inch in height but actually had a slightly longer wingspan (6-3 vs 6-2.75) and strangely had an extra inch on standing reach. So despite being shorter Shead might practically be "taller".


6-3 wingspan? Ouch, that's almost Ty Lawson territory.
In case you haven't noticed Finch is pretty damn picky about the perimeter defense of the guards he plays.

Lawson had a sub 6-1 wingspan, so not really.
And I have noticed Finch likes length. Contrary to what you may believe you aren't the only one who watches Timberwolves games.

Go and watch a few Shead games and tell me Finch wouldn't find minutes for him.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#267 » by shangrila » Fri May 31, 2024 8:38 am

Domejandro wrote:Unfortunately, Hunter Sallis is staying at Wake Forest for his senior year.

Honestly would probably roll the dice on a younger player like Kyshawn George (probably have to trade up slightly) who has shown that he can shoot, and hope that his point-forward skills and defense further develop.

I don't see it with George.

He's got zero burst so I don't see an effective path for him to become a good defender and he's more connector than point-forward. Guys like him and Furphy, as well as Jett Howard, Caleb Houstan and Gradey Dick in previous drafts, just don't seem to amount to much these days. You can't only be a shooter, you need to do a lot more.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#268 » by minimus » Fri May 31, 2024 10:53 am



I like Bobi Klintman potential
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#269 » by Klomp » Fri May 31, 2024 7:43 pm

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I like Bobi Klintman potential

I do think it's worth pointing out that a draft and stash (I have no idea if he is one) is a way to help deal with the capsituation we're in.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#270 » by Klomp » Fri May 31, 2024 8:21 pm

Folks, we are 26 days away from the NBA Draft and 42 days away from Vegas Summer League!
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#271 » by Klomp » Fri May 31, 2024 10:12 pm

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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#272 » by Note30 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 6:26 pm

I think we need to hunt for a good PG. Reese Beekeman is projected to go 53, Trey Kolek at 28, and Trey Alexander at 31.

All three of them have something different they can bring the Wolves. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting two and developing them.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#273 » by Neeva » Sun Jun 2, 2024 11:22 pm

If we are hell bent on a pg than I want the wolves to trade up for McCain. His shooting will help imo, he has potential to be a star.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#274 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 3, 2024 5:23 pm

The "point guards" in this class are not overwhelmingly exciting. Wonder if we lean into the "no true PG" lineups.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#275 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 3, 2024 5:25 pm

OK I'll be honest, I've watched exactly one video of this kid, but he just seems like he'll project to be a solid role player right away. Nothing flashy, but also doesn't seem to have major weaknesses.

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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#276 » by Colbinii » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:16 pm

One of the interesting dynamics here is fit vs talent, and more accurately, fit vs size.

It is much easier for larger players (6'4" and above) to stay on the court in the post-season than it is for 6'3" and under. Why? Mismatch hunting. Most players of the smaller variety are exceptional offensive players to a degree that they are All-Stars solely from their offense, or provide so much intangibles (Mike Conley) that they can stay on the court and have a positive impact on winning.

Drafting a PG prospect in the late 1st, as a title-contender like the Minnesota Timberwolves, is a really hard decision to justify, especially when McLaughlin already fits the bill as an innings eater in the Regular Season.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#277 » by Calinks » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:17 pm

Klomp wrote:Folks, we are 26 days away from the NBA Draft and 42 days away from Vegas Summer League!

Summer League and the Olympics will do wonders for my Basketball withdrawals which will set in about two weeks after the finals are over lol.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#278 » by Neeva » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:27 pm

I hate that we have Olympics, hopefully Rudy doesn’t start slow like his first season with us after the fiba world championships.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#279 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:29 pm

Neeva wrote:I hate that we have Olympics, hopefully Rudy doesn’t start slow like his first season with us after the fiba world championships.

He's got Victor by his side now, so he shouldn't be quite so worn down
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#280 » by shangrila » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:31 pm

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Baylor is a good prospect and he ticks some boxes that we're looking for (shooting, secondary playmaking, and rebounding). However while I do like him he'd represent a pretty significant departure from the team's draft philosophy.

Not only would he be the oldest player the Wolves had drafted in years he also lacks good positional length, which Finch seems to love. For reference, here's the height-to-wingspan ratio for our most recent picks;

Moore Jr = +8.25 (yeah, I had to double check that. He's 6-4.25 in shoes with a 7-0.5 wingspan. Absolutely insane measurements)
Minott = +4 (Roughly. His measurements aren't in the NBA database for some reason)
Miller = +4.75
Clarke = +5

Baylor is at +2. Not egregious but as any guy will tell you every inch matters. I also realise games aren't played on a spreadsheet and this isn't meant to take away from him as a prospect, but it does seem clear that whatever models the team uses does give a boost to length and age.

If you're curious about prospects that do check either or both of the length/age boxes, here's a few that stood out from testing;
Jonathon Mogbo = +7.75
Adem Bona = +7.5
Ryan Dunn = +7.25
Trey Alexander = +7.25
Harrison Ingram = +7
Enrique Freeman = +6.75
Dillon Jones = +6.5


I can post a longer list if anyone is interested, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the team came away from the draft with one or more of the above guys.

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