The Terrence (TJ) Shannon Thread

Neeva · Post #261 » by **Neeva** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:33 am

He’s better than I thought he would be just a shame he got injured and wolves has a stubborn head coach that hates playing young players unless necessary because of injuries smh.

minimus · Post #262 » by **minimus** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:54 am

Neeva wrote:He’s better than I thought he would be just a shame he got injured and wolves has a stubborn head coach that hates playing young players unless necessary because of injuries smh.

Or maybe Randle's injury led to McDaniels starting at PF, which led to more minutes for TJ? Also, Minott was touted as having an excellent offseason, so Finch somehow had to give him time at the beginning of the season, otherwise fans would complain about Minott not getting enough minutes when he deserved it by working hard in the offseason. Minott completely fell out of rotation and his minutes (rightfully!) went to Clark and TJ.

shrink · Post #263 » by **shrink** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:58 pm

I was looking up the listed (I know, be skeptical!) heights on the roster

At 6-6, Shannon is listed as a guard, but he is big enough to be a back up SF in today’s NBA, right?

6-4 DDV
6-4 Clark
6-5 NAW

These three have to be mainly guards, right?

TheZachAttack · Post #264 » by **TheZachAttack** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:47 pm

Since Shannon got into the rotation over the last 6 games, he's averaging basically 13.5-5.5-2.5 and shooting 65% from 2 and 100% from the line (23% from 3) in 24m. Per 36 he's averaging close to 18-8-3.5.

His physicality, athleticism, and aggressive decision making plays. I'm hoping he gets the start tonight in Utah.

minimus · Post #265 » by **minimus** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 8:10 am

TheZachAttack wrote:Since Shannon got into the rotation over the last 6 games, he's averaging basically 13.5-5.5-2.5 and shooting 65% from 2 and 100% from the line (23% from 3) in 24m. Per 36 he's averaging close to 18-8-3.5.

His physicality, athleticism, and aggressive decision making plays. I'm hoping he gets the start tonight in Utah.

Moreover, he often looks the only one who is comfortable to drive and has aggressive mindset in offense. He is kind of mix between Randle and Reid in terms of slasher role.

TheZachAttack · Post #266 » by **TheZachAttack** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:10 pm

minimus wrote:
TheZachAttack wrote:Since Shannon got into the rotation over the last 6 games, he's averaging basically 13.5-5.5-2.5 and shooting 65% from 2 and 100% from the line (23% from 3) in 24m. Per 36 he's averaging close to 18-8-3.5.

His physicality, athleticism, and aggressive decision making plays. I'm hoping he gets the start tonight in Utah.

Moreover, he often looks the only one who is comfortable to drive and has aggressive mindset in offense. He is kind of mix between Randle and Reid in terms of slasher role.

I agree. I thought it was interesting to see the shot falling tonight — and not just catch and shoot 3 pointers. I know he’s not going to be a lockdown 3 point shooter but if he can be a 35-36% 3 point shooter who is streaky then that’s huge.

I think it’s pretty clear he can be a 15-20ppg per 36 min scorer on solid efficiency with his transition game and touch around the rim. I’m not 100% of his best role is as a 6th man or like a 3rd option with starters. I do think he’s best when he’s running in transition and attacking advantages instead of being asked to create advantages (which is how I feel about Naz although he’s flashed more advantage creation ability in the last month than I’ve seen before).

Overall, I’m very intrigued by the scoring capabilities of Jaden, Naz, and Shannon—Rob too. They all play fast and have a 0.5 second mentality. I think my biggest concern is that both Jaden/Naz are streaky even compared to someone like Randle. I feel like I can see a path where there’s a lot of offensive upside with this core but I worry about the fact that Jaden/Naz kind of play up and down based on the vibes.

Because of Shannon’s aggressiveness, willingness and ability in transition, and ability to get to the FT line I’m actually wondering if he can be a stabilizer in that he’s going to be finishing in traffic and so some games he might go 7-16 because the layups don’t go in but a lot of games he’ll go like 9-15. I think Jaden is a lot more consistent too when he’s primarily trying to score from mid range in.

minimus · Post #267 » by **minimus** » Wed Mar 5, 2025 8:09 am

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TJ singlehandedly has been saving our transition offense

minimus · Post #268 » by **minimus** » Wed Mar 5, 2025 9:29 am

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I see a lot of similarities between Jimmy and TJ games:

Both are strong, well built wings who don't shy from physical contact. Both uses shutter, rocker steps to score from catch and shoot position. Both don't have impressive wingspan. Both are involved in split actions a lot.

I hope that Finch implement more variations of split with TJ and our shooters because he can definitely impact the game by setting screens and finishing at rim. Butler has very advanced footwork, hopefully TJ can develop it as well.

minimus · Post #269 » by **minimus** » Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:02 am

minimus wrote:I know it sounds like a broken record, but TSJ should absolutely model his game after Jimmy Butler. I dont like Butler as person, but as player he is a joy to watch. And TSJ reminds me a lot of young Jimmy:

- both are physical slashers who initially were considered as defensive minded players
- both are extremely quick and mobile
- both are 6'5 without shoes, with relative short wingspan, but strong body

Watching Butler playing comboforward role for GSW, I wonder if against certain matchups it makes more sense to give minutes to TJ, like last night against IND, with Gobert was ejected. Although TJ lacks ideal size/wingspan, he has physicality to play comboforward, just like Butler.

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I am not saying that TJ would stop Toppin, since Toppin has some elite physical tools and size advantage, but in games such as against IND when MIN loses, I can always say that this teams lacked energy and physicality. Sure, Reid, DDV, NAW and Clark all deserve playing time, but TJ offers different dimension, because he is more suited to play on wings.

P.S. In offense Butler and TJ share a lot of similarities as well:

bump / veer step finishes:

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rocker / shutter step:

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Moreover, it looks like TJ is the only player in our roster who actually enjoys attacking of the corners, like true wings do:

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minimus · Post #270 » by **minimus** » Mon May 19, 2025 10:49 am

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Other than improving his 3PT shooting, TJ should study Christian Braun’s elite performance in transition and finishing at the rim. I believe that TJ has enough talent and athleticism to be make a leap, but right now Braun is light years ahed of TJ in these areas. Mainly because of his understanding of timing, pace and angles.

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moss_is_1 · Post #271 » by **moss_is_1** » Tue May 20, 2025 1:37 am

Curious if TSJ will get any run in the WCF. I'm sure Finch will keep the rotation tight, but fouls could play a factor. Or if we're playing bad he could add a spark with how well he played vs OKC in the regular season.

minimus · Post #272 » by **minimus** » Tue May 20, 2025 7:20 am

moss_is_1 wrote:Curious if TSJ will get any run in the WCF. I'm sure Finch will keep the rotation tight, but fouls could play a factor. Or if we're playing bad he could add a spark with how well he played vs OKC in the regular season.

He needs to hit open threes.

winforlose · Post #273 » by **winforlose** » Tue May 20, 2025 9:37 am

minimus wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:Curious if TSJ will get any run in the WCF. I'm sure Finch will keep the rotation tight, but fouls could play a factor. Or if we're playing bad he could add a spark with how well he played vs OKC in the regular season.

He needs to hit open threes.

True, but it is a bit more complex than that. I don’t see Finch going 10 deep into the bench unless we are in dire straights. Clark has played great defense on SGA in I believe 2 regular season games. I could see Finch utilizing Clark before TSJ, especially if SGA gets someone else in foul trouble, (the usual reason TSJ got minutes was Naz and someone else were in foul trouble.)

Post #274 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 26, 2025 7:27 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:Curious if TSJ will get any run in the WCF. I'm sure Finch will keep the rotation tight, but fouls could play a factor. Or if we're playing bad he could add a spark with how well he played vs OKC in the regular season.

Nostradamus.

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Also, I really like the Christian Braun comparison. He's definitely got a lot of the same attributes.

moss_is_1 · Post #275 » by **moss_is_1** » Mon May 26, 2025 7:59 pm

Klomp wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:Curious if TSJ will get any run in the WCF. I'm sure Finch will keep the rotation tight, but fouls could play a factor. Or if we're playing bad he could add a spark with how well he played vs OKC in the regular season.

Nostradamus.

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Also, I really like the Christian Braun comparison. He's definitely got a lot of the same attributes.

I can see that. Both are great in transition(believe Braun was tops in fastbreak points), and against a defense that's so good in OKC you need to get out and get those easy buckets.

cmoss84 · Post #276 » by **cmoss84** » Mon May 26, 2025 8:06 pm

I put $100 on TSJ to win ROY this year. I guess I was a year off lol.
I like Braun's game, but he might be the 2nd most annoying personality in the NBA.

Post #277 » by **Klomp** » Mon May 26, 2025 8:59 pm

Seeing TJ make an impact in a Western Conference Finals game win, I'm starting to pencil him in as a strong option to get rotational minutes next season. The role will be important, but I think he could essentially slot in at the 4 at times even. Nice to have someone like him to turn to when Ant is resting.

moss_is_1 · Post #278 » by **moss_is_1** » Mon May 26, 2025 11:26 pm

Klomp wrote:Seeing TJ make an impact in a Western Conference Finals game win, I'm starting to pencil him in as a strong option to get rotational minutes next season. The role will be important, but I think he could essentially slot in at the 4 at times even. Nice to have someone like him to turn to when Ant is resting.

Yep. I think with what TSJ as well as Clark have shown this season it makes NAW all the more likely to be gone. With only 96 minutes at the wing Finch has his work cut out for him, especially when you can pencil Ant in for 36-40. DDV will play some minutes at the 1, and Jaden/TSJ will play some minutes at the 4.

Post #279 » by **Calinks** » Mon May 26, 2025 11:49 pm

Sealab2024 wrote:Watching highlights and you know who's gonna love Terrence? Naz Reid. TSJ looks like a long lost Jelly Fam member that got discovered in the wild with the way he finishes.

Nice call, Naz talked about how he sees a lot of himself in TSJ the other night. He said sometimes he gets chills watching him.

Loaf_of_bread · Post #280 » by **Loaf_of_bread** » Mon May 26, 2025 11:59 pm

This guy as well as Jaylen have played SO WELL, that it boggles my mind as to what goes on in Finch’s head.

"Those F'ers just have to be in the league 3 years MINIMUM before sniffing the floor.. MINIMUM!" FINCH, they then lose their value of their rookie deals..

You have 2 productive rooks, and won't even allow them to develop..

That is a death sentence as a coach in this new CBA.