2016 draft thread: Part 2

jpatrick · Post #281 » by **jpatrick** » Sun May 8, 2016 1:34 pm

ALICEinJAM wrote:Will Bender play right away or is he gonna stay in Europe?

All indications are that he's coming over immediately.

alabamawolf · Post #282 » by **alabamawolf** » Sun May 8, 2016 2:54 pm

Klomp wrote:One more consideration: A lot of people are linking Luol Deng (or Harrison Barnes, Nic Batum, Jared Dudley, etc.) here. If that was a target, there would be no room for another SG in the top 5 unless you make the ever-so-popular decision to move Zach LaVine back to PG.

Why wouldn't there be room for another SG if we sign another 3/stretch 4?

No-Man · Post #283 » by **No-Man** » Sun May 8, 2016 2:58 pm

Klomp wrote:One more consideration: A lot of people are linking Luol Deng (or Harrison Barnes, Nic Batum, Jared Dudley, etc.) here. If that was a target, there would be no room for another SG in the top 5 unless you make the ever-so-popular decision to move Zach LaVine back to PG.

What? is actually quite the opposite, all those guys, other than Batum, play better at the PF.

RationalGaze · Post #284 » by **RationalGaze** » Sun May 8, 2016 4:10 pm

alabamawolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:One more consideration: A lot of people are linking Luol Deng (or Harrison Barnes, Nic Batum, Jared Dudley, etc.) here. If that was a target, there would be no room for another SG in the top 5 unless you make the ever-so-popular decision to move Zach LaVine back to PG.

Why wouldn't there be room for another SG if we sign another 3/stretch 4?

Wiggins and Shabazz. Shabazz would be on the bench if you wanted to run LaVine at the 2 spot. I guess Shabazz would be traded then since his defense wouldn't be as nice as the guy we sign.

RationalGaze · Post #285 » by **RationalGaze** » Sun May 8, 2016 4:36 pm

Fischella wrote:You are wrong in your assesment, bigs are easily attainable, not difference makers or stars but regular bigs, the market is overloaded with them, drafting Poeltl in the top10 would be a mistake from value per draft slot perspective, a big one.

The Wolves should just go with either the better 3&D wing available, Luwawu, or the versatile F that can shoot and switch, Marquese Chriss.

Any other pick, unless someone falls or you jump in the top3, makes very little sense to this team.

Overrated bigs or average ones are attainable as you say, but getting a center or an elite defensive big is not. Drafting a foul machine and a guy who won't be switching much given Wiggins isn't a 4 won't do the Wolves any good.
Drafting a wing or shooting guard would just show free agency started June 23rd for the Wolves and they used their pick for a backup.
Davis, Zubac, or Poeltl is the way to go for the Wolves. Those who need a shooting guard, wing player, and a point guard can draft the ones available.

Hogified05 · Post #286 » by **Hogified05** » Sun May 8, 2016 5:27 pm

I may have already posed this but I can't remember. I think Ingram would be ideal in Orlando. Would you consider Vuc, Payton or Mario + 11 for 1 or 2 if yall get it? Vuc and Towns would be great 1/2 punch. Just curious.

Takingbaconback · Post #287 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sun May 8, 2016 6:07 pm

Hogified05 wrote:I may have already posed this but I can't remember. I think Ingram would be ideal in Orlando. Would you consider Vuc, Payton or Mario + 11 for 1 or 2 if yall get it? Vuc and Towns would be great 1/2 punch. Just curious.

I'd much rather just take Ingram than trade for one of them and 11. I think Ingram is going to cost a king's ransom to any team that wants to trade for him. I would only trade him to ORL for Gordon and 11, if Gordon is off the table than I don't trade Ingram as the timberwolves. Obviously other teams with different needs might take 11/Dipo/Mario package or something like that.

Post #288 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 8, 2016 6:33 pm

alabamawolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:One more consideration: A lot of people are linking Luol Deng (or Harrison Barnes, Nic Batum, Jared Dudley, etc.) here. If that was a target, there would be no room for another SG in the top 5 unless you make the ever-so-popular decision to move Zach LaVine back to PG.

Why wouldn't there be room for another SG if we sign another 3/stretch 4?

Most of those players would start at SF right away, moving Andrew Wiggins to SG. Our backups would be LaVine and Muhammad. A four-man rotation for two spots is already crowded, not to mention adding a fifth player that you just invested a top-5 pick in.

RationalGaze · Post #289 » by **RationalGaze** » Sun May 8, 2016 7:10 pm

Hogified05 wrote:I may have already posed this but I can't remember. I think Ingram would be ideal in Orlando. Would you consider Vuc, Payton or Mario + 11 for 1 or 2 if yall get it? Vuc and Towns would be great 1/2 punch. Just curious.

If we can get Deyonta and Mario then I'd accept that trade. We draft ingram and you all draft Deyonta. Doubt Mario would like backup or split minutes. Wolves would strongly consider Dragan with the 2nd pick as Ben has too many red flags for my liking. Wolves would consider trading down if they can't see themselves retaining Dragan for the future.
I'd like to see Thibodeau make a decision between the 2 Powers.

Post #290 » by **C.lupus** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:13 pm

Klomp wrote:
alabamawolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:One more consideration: A lot of people are linking Luol Deng (or Harrison Barnes, Nic Batum, Jared Dudley, etc.) here. If that was a target, there would be no room for another SG in the top 5 unless you make the ever-so-popular decision to move Zach LaVine back to PG.

Why wouldn't there be room for another SG if we sign another 3/stretch 4?

Most of those players would start at SF right away, moving Andrew Wiggins to SG. Our backups would be LaVine and Muhammad. A four-man rotation for two spots is already crowded, not to mention adding a fifth player that you just invested a top-5 pick in.

Dudley might be the best fit out of those names. He can play 25 minutes backing ip the sf and pf positions. Deng would be good, too. Can always start him at pf and then backup Wiggins at the 3. Barnes is going to get paid much more than he's worth so I'm not really interested in that bidding war. I can't see Batum leaving Charlotte.

Picking up a guy like Dudley in free agency might not be the sexy move but it makes a lot of sense. I'd rather that and let Thibs get a feel for what he has then trade away a young core piece and have them blow up somewhere else.

In any case, Bazz is the most expendable player with any value on the team.

Rubio/Jones/Murray
LaVine/Murray/Wiggins
Wiggins/Dudley
Bjelica/Dudley/Dieng
Towns/Dieng

That's a nine man rotation that could easily work.

Post #291 » by **C.lupus** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:22 pm

And if you draft Poeltl then you have the same problem on the fronntline that you are trying to avoid on the wings. Towns/Dieng/Bjelica/Poeltl all need minutes.

Takingbaconback · Post #292 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:28 pm

C.lupus wrote:And if you draft Poeltl then you have the same problem on the fronntline that you are trying to avoid on the wings. Towns/Dieng/Bjelica/Poeltl all need minutes.

You can go with Towns/Poeltl as starters and Bjelica/Dieng as backups. I think the point was you get 5 guys fighting for 4 spots if you get somebody from FA and draft another SG/SF high in the draft, which is a waste of money and roster space. Also Wolves already have Wiggins and LaVine penciled in as starters unlike Dieng who will likely be relegated to the bench at some point.

RationalGaze · Post #293 » by **RationalGaze** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:29 pm

C.lupus wrote:And if you draft Poeltl then you have the same problem on the fronntline that you are trying to avoid on the wings. Towns/Dieng/Bjelica/Poeltl all need minutes.

Not really. Two starters and two backups. No different than drafting a Forward next to Towns.

Post #294 » by **C.lupus** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:30 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:
C.lupus wrote:And if you draft Poeltl then you have the same problem on the frontline that you are trying to avoid on the wings. Towns/Dieng/Bjelica/Poeltl all need minutes.

You can go with Towns/Poeltl as starters and Bjelica/Dieng as backups. I think the point was you get 5 guys fighting for 4 spots if you get somebody from FA and draft another SG/SF high in the draft, which is a waste of money and roster space.

And you get 5 guys fighting for 4 spots if you draft Poeltl and get one of those guys in free agency. It's the same thing.

Saltine · Post #295 » by **Saltine** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:32 pm

The last thing we want is depth.

RationalGaze · Post #296 » by **RationalGaze** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:33 pm

C.lupus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:
C.lupus wrote:And if you draft Poeltl then you have the same problem on the frontline that you are trying to avoid on the wings. Towns/Dieng/Bjelica/Poeltl all need minutes.

You can go with Towns/Poeltl as starters and Bjelica/Dieng as backups. I think the point was you get 5 guys fighting for 4 spots if you get somebody from FA and draft another SG/SF high in the draft, which is a waste of money and roster space.

And you get 5 guys fighting for 4 spots if you draft Poeltl and get one of those guys in free agency. It's the same thing.

It's simple don't sign the 5th guy be it power or small. Draft a center and sign a shooting guard or draft a Power and sign a shooting guard.

Post #297 » by **C.lupus** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:38 pm

Or you draft the best player on the board and trade Shabazz if necessary.

RationalGaze · Post #298 » by **RationalGaze** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:40 pm

C.lupus wrote:Or you draft the best player on the board and trade Shabazz if necessary.

Well that's debatable.

Takingbaconback · Post #299 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:43 pm

Or you draft the best player on board and trade Dieng if necessary. Either way, I think the point is you don't tie up too much money on one role when you got other weaknesses to take care of.

Post #300 » by **C.lupus** » Sun May 8, 2016 8:48 pm

RationalGaze wrote:
C.lupus wrote:Or you draft the best player on the board and trade Shabazz if necessary.

Well that's debatable.

Everything is debatable, that's why we are here. :wink:

My point is I want Thibs to take the player he thinks is best regardless of whether that player is a sg or a pf or a sf or a c. Having a minutes crunch because of guys like Shabazz or Bjelica shoudn't factor into it. If Poeltl is the best available player, by all means draft him. If Murray or Hield are the bpa, then draft one of them. Figure out free agency and trades later. And getting a second tier combo forward can work in either situation.