The search for a new coach results in Ryan Saunders (pg 11)

Post #281 » by **Klomp** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:35 pm

KGdaBom · Post #282 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:39 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Nick K wrote:
I don't understand your Saunders hate. The guy was doing basketball x's and o's with his dad since age 10. He spent over 10 years as an nba assistant performing every duty one can do including game planning for upcoming opponents. He also has been a nba coach for 42 games and did a very good job under difficult circumstances. None of the guys Rosas interviewed has ever head coached any nba team. He is highly respected around the nba by the elite. Jim Pete thinks he did a great job last year so who should I trust? Should I trust the opinion of KGdaBom or Jim Pete and Gersson Rosas?

Repeat over and over...In Rosas I trust.

Get on board KGdaBom we're making the playoffs this year.

From the Star trib this morning,
Poll: Do you agree with keeping Ryan Saunders as coach?
Yes 75%
No 25%
Total Votes: 2028

I've said it until I'm blue in the face. He doesn't have appropriate credentials to even be considered for a head coaching position. Even getting a lead assistant position or associate head coach position is questionable. Sure he has interim head coaching experience that was given to him. There is no evidence that he did a good job whatsoever in his interim gig. The team played terribly and yes I know injuries affected that. As for who's opinion you should trust I think I'm smarter than Pete. I would have thought Rosas was smarter than me, but I doubt that now as he resigned Saunders. As for the vote WTH does that show. A bunch of rubes want to keep Flip's kid around.

Good lord. And if Ryan succeeds?

What does success mean to you? You've already stated that he has no chance to make the playoffs. Succeeds to me would be making the playoffs this season and winning at least one round. If that happens I will admit to one and all that I was wrong about him. If he doesn't make the playoffs at all I will take that as proof that I was right about him. If he makes the playoffs, but loses in round one the jury will still be out IMO.

Post #283 » by **Calinks** » Tue May 21, 2019 6:55 pm

Hope for the best. I do love that Ryan is passionate about this franchise and I do think he will do whatever he can to make us better. He's easy to root for, that's for sure.

KGdaBom · Post #284 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:01 pm

I hope that by the end of this season it is so obvious that Saunders is a great coach that I have to eat a murder of crows and tell everybody on the board how wrong and stupid I was. I wanted the same thing to happen with Treadwell when I called him a very bad draft pick on the talk vikes board when the Vikings selected him. Alas it didn't happen then. Maybe it happens now.

Post #285 » by **Klomp** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:07 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Succeeds to me would be making the playoffs this season and winning at least one round. If that happens I will admit to one and all that I was wrong about him. If he doesn't make the playoffs at all I will take that as proof that I was right about him. If he makes the playoffs, but loses in round one the jury will still be out IMO.

I don't think that's very fair to him, or any other coach that would've been hired, to place those types of expectations on him. You're asking him to do something in Year 1 that has only been done one time in 30 years of this franchise's history.

The simple fact is that this will probably take some time. Missing the playoffs in the Western Conference in Year 1 does not mean this hire is a failure.

KGdaBom · Post #286 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:12 pm

Klomp wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Succeeds to me would be making the playoffs this season and winning at least one round. If that happens I will admit to one and all that I was wrong about him. If he doesn't make the playoffs at all I will take that as proof that I was right about him. If he makes the playoffs, but loses in round one the jury will still be out IMO.

I don't think that's very fair to him, or any other coach that would've been hired, to place those types of expectations on him. You're asking him to do something in Year 1 that has only been done one time in 30 years of this franchise's history.

The simple fact is that this will probably take some time. Missing the playoffs in the Western Conference in Year 1 does not mean this hire is a failure.

If I thought he was qualified I would give him a longer leash. Of course if I had anything to say about it he never would have had even the interim job. I don't want us wasting some of KAT's best years in finding out if Ryan can coach.

Zander · Post #287 » by **Zander** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 pm

LoL

He's cheap

mplsfonz23 · Post #288 » by **mplsfonz23** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:38 pm

KGdaBom wrote:What does success mean to you? You've already stated that he has no chance to make the playoffs. Succeeds to me would be making the playoffs this season and winning at least one round. If that happens I will admit to one and all that I was wrong about him. If he doesn't make the playoffs at all I will take that as proof that I was right about him. If he makes the playoffs, but loses in round one the jury will still be out IMO.

I doubt ANY coach could do what you are asking Ryan to do.
My question is how do you know if any of the "qualified" candidates could have done what you ask. And how many of them had success elsewhere?

KGdaBom · Post #289 » by **KGdaBom** » Tue May 21, 2019 7:46 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:What does success mean to you? You've already stated that he has no chance to make the playoffs. Succeeds to me would be making the playoffs this season and winning at least one round. If that happens I will admit to one and all that I was wrong about him. If he doesn't make the playoffs at all I will take that as proof that I was right about him. If he makes the playoffs, but loses in round one the jury will still be out IMO.

I doubt ANY coach could do what you are asking Ryan to do.
My question is how do you know if any of the "qualified" candidates could have done what you ask. And how many of them had success elsewhere?

I will never know how the qualified candidates would have done because they didn't get the opportunity.
I asked what success means to you. Does not making the playoffs equal success because we get another lottery pick. Does the players saying we really like this guy equal success. Okogie shooting better? What does it look like to you?

TheDominator273 · Post #290 » by **TheDominator273** » Tue May 21, 2019 8:02 pm

Not sure if anyone remembers this being reported when Ryan took over an interim coach but he played a big part in developing Game Time Concepts, which is a real time analytics software that according to their site is used by 7 NBA teams, multiple big time D1 college programs as well as a couple EuroLeague teams.

Ryan has a video demo of the software on their site and it's a good watch.

Watch on YouTube

Dewey · Post #291 » by **Dewey** » Tue May 21, 2019 9:20 pm

KGdaBom wrote:I hope that by the end of this season it is so obvious that Saunders is a great coach that I have to eat a murder of crows and tell everybody on the board how wrong and stupid I was. I wanted the same thing to happen with Treadwell when I called him a very bad draft pick on the talk vikes board when the Vikings selected him. Alas it didn't happen then. Maybe it happens now.

I think it's comes down to the realization that many/most of the "other" candidates are as OVERRATED as they are qualified whether they are lead assistants, former head coaches, older w/more experience, part of winning franchises, groomed under a so-called elite coaching mind, or whatever makes people warm and fuzzy. IMO, it's naive to think Gersson doesn't have a sense of what he wants or the fact he believes Ryan Saunders has those necessary traits. Teams draft young/raw players based on potential all the time because they see the skill, basketball IQ, intanglibles, leadership, work ethic, team player, etc., and this is much the same. Takes balls for a new POBO to opt for a young local guy, but in reality there's no guarentee regardless how many were interviewed or who was hired. Minions like us all posting on a basketball forum are mere fans - there's no consequences for being wrong and no rewards for being right - just opinions of people who have a common interest ... but everyone wants to WIN.

dred926 · Post #292 » by **dred926** » Wed May 22, 2019 12:30 am

I dont understand the hate on Ryan... HE is far better than thibs when it comes to player management.

also kerr inherited a team that had a great core and that team won 51 ranked 6th ryan inherited a team full of issues that he was able to unite before the season ended.

that to me is already a good indicator that he is going to be a good coach.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #293 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Wed May 22, 2019 4:46 am

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King Malta · Post #294 » by **King Malta** » Wed May 22, 2019 4:57 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

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Good news.

It's hard to know who really does what from the outside, but I hope given the new approach of Ryan/Gerrson they try to bring in a more specialised group of support staff for the coach.

Post #295 » by **Klomp** » Wed May 22, 2019 4:58 am

A little surprised about Lucas, but the rest were pretty much expected.

Post #296 » by **Klomp** » Wed May 22, 2019 5:02 am

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Crazy-Canuck · Post #297 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Wed May 22, 2019 5:21 am

Id love to see Chris Finch as the offensive co-ordinator and the lead assistant on this team.

He may not have gotten the coaching job, but I thinking being the lead assistant would still be a promotion for him.

minimus · Post #298 » by **minimus** » Wed May 22, 2019 7:37 am

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KGdaBom · Post #299 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed May 22, 2019 10:18 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Id love to see Chris Finch as the offensive co-ordinator and the lead assistant on this team.

He may not have gotten the coaching job, but I thinking being the lead assistant would still be a promotion for him.

I think associate Head coach that he already has is a better title. Also it would be a humiliation for him to come on board as an assistant to someone clearly not as qualified as himself. I would put the chances of that at less than 1% and only if we offered him a huge raise in pay.

KGdaBom · Post #300 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed May 22, 2019 10:41 am

For what it's worth I listened to the introductory Ryan Saunders press conference and managed to hold down my supper without much difficulty. I like him making a point to give credit to God. With help from above maybe he can be successful. It made me feel kind of bad for being so hard on him. He still doesn't have the credentials. I'm not wrong about that.