Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Jedzz]

Booker leaving Suns chatter continues:

From January (Pistons):

Spoiler:

piston sources

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Now another mention (Knicks):
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258691/Knicks-Linked-With-Potential-Move-For-Devin-Booker-Due-To-Leon-Rose-Relationship
Have I missed others? Is this more of the East Coast fakery we always used to hear about with Rubio for years?

[KGdaBom]

Booker leaving Suns chatter continues:

From January (Pistons):

Spoiler:

piston sources

Read on Twitter

Now another mention (Knicks):
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258691/Knicks-Linked-With-Potential-Move-For-Devin-Booker-Due-To-Leon-Rose-Relationship
Have I missed others? Is this more of the East Coast fakery we always used to hear about with Rubio for years?

He wants to join the Pistons or Knicks both seem pretty stupid to me. The Suns are a team on the rise. The Pistons and Knickss are in shambles. Much better to join the Wolves and create a SuperFriends team.

[minimus]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

[Norseman79]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

Replace Hayes with a SF like Vassel and I will take it. (Including a trade down for next year's first to take Vassel)

[Jedzz]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

No reason to resign JMac in this plan of yours. 6-10 minutes is a waste of his time. He should just leave if they draft someone new to automatically place in front of him like you want. This team's fans deserve the losing they get. They live for wrecking this thing.

While I like the idea of WCS, one of him or Reid aren't getting any minutes at all. As in none unless Towns takes yet another season off.

[Norseman79]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

No reason to resign JMac in this plan of yours. 6-10 minutes is a waste of his time. He should just leave if they draft someone new to automatically place in front of him like you want. This team's fans deserve the losing they get. They live for wrecking this thing.

While I like the idea of WCS, one of him or Reid aren't getting any minutes at all. As in none unless Towns takes yet another season off.

Looking at that setup, man I can't help but wonder if our pick plus fill would be enough for Anunoby. He and Gordon at the Fs would be perfect fits in our starting five with the other three.

[minimus]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

Replace Hayes with a SF like Vassel and I will take it. (Including a trade down for next year's first to take Vassel)

I am taking a high potential ballhandler in these scenario over 3&D prospect because:

1) you can always play multiple ballhandlers if they are good shooters and good passers. Hayes is also a promising defender.
2) any scenario where we draft Vassel leaves no playing time for Okogie or Culver. I think that one from either Okogie or Culver can become a 3&D starter.

[minimus]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

No reason to resign JMac in this plan of yours. 6-10 minutes is a waste of his time. He should just leave if they draft someone new to automatically place in front of him like you want. This team's fans deserve the losing they get. They live for wrecking this thing.

While I like the idea of WCS, one of him or Reid aren't getting any minutes at all. As in none unless Towns takes yet another season off.

Yeah, in this scenario we are very deep at С and PG. You are right, maybe it is my fantom pain, but I dont want to see us playing without a solid С or PG anymore. It happened too many times already. It does not matter what happens, I want us to have a deep rotation at these two positions. It will bring a lot more stability, while at wings Gordon/Juancho/Culver/Okogie/Layman/Beasley/Martin should be able to get job done, even without Vanderbilt and Bey.

[Jedzz]

All these non basketball summer months through to December will drive me nuts. I predict I'll suggest trading Towns/Dlo both to at least three teams before December comes. Might as well start with Atlanta. What would they have to send back? They could also try to attain Booker I guess. They must have some FRPs to move and add to Wolves two now to begin a rebuild.

Team going into 2021 season
McLaughlin/rookie frp/rookie srp
Beasley/Nowell/rookie frp
Layman/Okogie/Culver
Juancho/Ried/rookie frp
WCS/rookie frp/Ried

Some future pickts left over. I could live with it.

[NebWolvesFan]

I think I'd be happy if we play "safe", without going in full "win now" mode, making next season a transition year.

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Killian Hayes with our FRP, draft Tyler Bey with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Layman to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
4) Sign WCS to 10mil/2yrs

KAT/Reid/WCS
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt + Tyler Bey
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Hayes
DLo/Hayes/JMac

Why it might work?

0) multiple good defenders in WCS/Gordon/Culver/Okogie
1) multiple above-average shooters: KAT/Juancho/Beasley/DLo
2) multiple ballhandlers: DLo/Hayes/JMac. Plus Gordon/Culver as secondary ballhandlers
3) finally capable rim-runners: WCS, Gordon and Bey
4) Okogie, Culver, Vanderbilt will have a lot of time to improve their shooting
5) Vanderbilt, Tyler Bey, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly

No reason to resign JMac in this plan of yours. 6-10 minutes is a waste of his time. He should just leave if they draft someone new to automatically place in front of him like you want. This team's fans deserve the losing they get. They live for wrecking this thing.

While I like the idea of WCS, one of him or Reid aren't getting any minutes at all. As in none unless Towns takes yet another season off.

I have no problem with WCS backing up Towns and Reid playing 35 minutes a night at Iowa. He's still young and he has three years left on his deal. I feel Reid will get better playing big minutes at Iowa than backing up Towns. Of course, if Towns got hurt I would call up Reid and have WCS back him up.

[Jedzz]

I have no problem with WCS backing up Towns and Reid playing 35 minutes a night at Iowa. He's still young and he has three years left on his deal. I feel Reid will get better playing big minutes at Iowa than backing up Towns. Of course, if Towns got hurt I would call up Reid and have WCS back him up.

That's true, could do that.

[old school 34]

I have no problem with WCS backing up Towns and Reid playing 35 minutes a night at Iowa. He's still young and he has three years left on his deal. I feel Reid will get better playing big minutes at Iowa than backing up Towns. Of course, if Towns got hurt I would call up Reid and have WCS back him up.

That's true, could do that.

Jedzz...I get your rant on some being too quick to put a rook over a guy like JMac...who's had to work his but off & earn it. But still should be allowed to draft a PG...especially one with position flexibility & have healthy competition...no? Not saying hand the rook anything, but if BPA is a PG...I feel there's a viable way to still construct the roster...develop guys and be more competitive (MN maybe hasn't been that ballclub in past but maybe under Rosas...I'd like to hope we can go down that road)? I know you were upset about preferred treatment for Culver last year....but did he really get that? He got a stretch where he got some starts & some extended minutes where we were pretty banged up....but after that wasn't he for the most part a 15 minute/game guy? I'd think if you'd compare that to most #6 picks...that would be on the light side (not sure)....could blast the pick, of course, but maybe a bit premature for that....fair for concern don't get me wrong....but I felt they didn't overly extend the red carpet and minutes to him as well that you've seen others do (MN as well)?

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[minimus]

Combine the best pick and pop big and the best roll man:

1) Trade Juancho for WAS 2021 SRP
2) Trade JJ fro GSW TPE
3) MIN FRP, Spellman, Evans for Mikal Bridges
4) Draft Patrick Williams, Xavier Tillman.
5) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Bey for 1+3 deal as well.
6) Sign Montrezl Harrell to 36mil/3yrs.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Williams/Harrell/Vanderbilt
Bridges/Layman/Culver + Martin
Beasley/Okogie/DLo
DLo/Culver/JMac

Why it might work?

1) Montrezl Harrell is an elite roll man. We pair him with elite pick and pop man (KAT) and elite PnR ballhandler (DLo)
2) Mikal Bridges, Culver, Okogie have potential to be above average/elite perimeter defenders
3) Patrick Williams, Xavier Tillman might be defensive specialist we need to stabilize PF position and team defense
4) still a lot of potential in Vanderbilt, Bridges, Patrick Williams, Xavier Tillman, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie

[Jedzz]

I have no problem with WCS backing up Towns and Reid playing 35 minutes a night at Iowa. He's still young and he has three years left on his deal. I feel Reid will get better playing big minutes at Iowa than backing up Towns. Of course, if Towns got hurt I would call up Reid and have WCS back him up.

That's true, could do that.

Jedzz...I get your rant on some being too quick to put a rook over a guy like JMac...who's had to work his but off & earn it. But still should be allowed to draft a PG...especially one with position flexibility & have healthy competition...no? Not saying hand the rook anything, but if BPA is a PG...I feel there's a viable way to still construct the roster...develop guys and be more competitive (MN maybe hasn't been that ballclub in past but maybe under Rosas...I'd like to hope we can go down that road)? I know you were upset about preferred treatment for Culver last year....but did he really get that? He got a stretch where he got some starts & some extended minutes where we were pretty banged up....but after that wasn't he for the most part a 15 minute/game guy? I'd think if you'd compare that to most #6 picks...that would be on the light side (not sure)....could blast the pick, of course, but maybe a bit premature for that....fair for concern don't get me wrong....but I felt they didn't overly extend the red carpet and minutes to him as well that you've seen others do (MN as well)?

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The reality is it never seems to change here no matter who is running the show. Maybe it's because Ryan was still here, maybe it wouldn't matter. But the higher draft picks are getting free major minutes over anyone in their way.

Why do some not want to draft a Center? Because Towns is there to play over 30 minutes and they don't see the point. But we are already talking about someone stuck at best being the second PG, not the starterr, behind the max Dlo. There is no extra minutes to go around. Unless other guards are going to get traded.

Did Culver really get preferential treatment? Oh yes I say he did anyway and I say it was a mistake. Hope he recovers from it.

[SaintS]

I really see that Rosas are going to use picks for roster upgrade and selected rookies as a back ups.

3d + Evans + Vanderbilt for 10th + Bridges
10th – Okoro / Vassell

I can see that Phoenix can pay this price for Ball / Hayes or may be Toppin.
Bridges shows that he can be a legit forward in 1-3-1 scheme and with 10th pick we can choose another addition to the 3 F rotation (Okoro or Vassel)

16th + 33 + JJ for Gordon
Just add 33 pick for classic trade which was numerous time posted here before

After this trades and keeping in mind that Beasley will be signed (3 – 42 mio) the group of wing looks too big
Beasley, Culver, Bridges, Okoro or Vassell and Okogie

We spoke that Smart is an ideal player who can help team and give a balance between Offence and defence, we can try to take as a back up another player who can be this balance maker.

Okogie + Nowell for Ntilikina + 27th
27th – Tyler Bey (for sure if Orlando says no for 16th pick we can add this 27 in Gordon deal)

Knick receive young and hungry guard and can dump 6 mio from Ntilikina contract in their endless attempts to sign somebody on a free agency market. I believe that it costs their late first round and we draft Bey.

Russel / Ntilikina / JMac
Beasley / Culver
Bridges / Okoro or Vassell
Gordon / Layman / Bey
Towns / Reid / Spellman

I think that this group of players can be really competitive and you can mix this players how coach wants (3 guard or 1 -3 -1 with athletic 3-d wings or more classical combination )

[Sugarless]

It's always fun to propose trades, but I have to say it doesn't make much sense to think about getting Mikal Bridges for those packages. He's not leaving the Suns anytime soon, certainly not for more unproven players, as they have the youngest roster in the league and are aiming to bring more experience so they can be more competitive. Bridges is on his way to become one of the best perimeter defenders in the league (as expected during his college career) while being a solid 3-pt shooter and excellent cutter. He's got a high IQ and great chemistry with Rubio, which was a big plus for Phoenix when Oubre went down and he became essential in their fight for the playoffs. Not coincidentally, he's got the second highest +/- in the team at +46, too (guess who's first at a whopping +131). He's already a very valuable piece and he will continue to grow as a more well rounded player in the next few years, while not commanding a star level deal when his rookie contract's up. It's better to aim at something more feasible.

[Neeva]

Bridges is nothing but a role player ( who will be overpaid in a few seasons) not worth a top 5 pick anyway.

[Jedzz]

I have no problem with WCS backing up Towns and Reid playing 35 minutes a night at Iowa. He's still young and he has three years left on his deal. I feel Reid will get better playing big minutes at Iowa than backing up Towns. Of course, if Towns got hurt I would call up Reid and have WCS back him up.

That's true, could do that.

Jedzz...I get your rant on some being too quick to put a rook over a guy like JMac...who's had to work his but off & earn it. But still should be allowed to draft a PG...especially one with position flexibility & have healthy competition...no? Not saying hand the rook anything, but if BPA is a PG...I feel there's a viable way to still construct the roster...develop guys and be more competitive (MN maybe hasn't been that ballclub in past but maybe under Rosas...I'd like to hope we can go down that road)? I know you were upset about preferred treatment for Culver last year....but did he really get that? He got a stretch where he got some starts & some extended minutes where we were pretty banged up....but after that wasn't he for the most part a 15 minute/game guy? I'd think if you'd compare that to most #6 picks...that would be on the light side (not sure)....could blast the pick, of course, but maybe a bit premature for that....fair for concern don't get me wrong....but I felt they didn't overly extend the red carpet and minutes to him as well that you've seen others do (MN as well)?

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I somehow overlooked your competition piece the first read. I do welcome that. As long as the rooks come in at the bottom and prove a reason to be slid up. That's how it should be and that's how you both create competition and develop players. They have to occasionally play to get that chance to prove something and keep pushing those infront of them. If they can earn it infront of the fans for real then I have no qualms.

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[Neeva]

Only a matter of time before kat/dlo/booker are on the same team.