shrink wrote:winforlose wrote:shrink wrote:I really don’t buy into the suppress argument either.
Randle scores points, he draws double teams, and he kicks out to players on the wing. That should help Mike and Naz, not suppress them. But I am enjoying hearing your reasoning, and maybe you can change my mind.
LOL. I already gave you the example of the KAT rebounding, I already showed you the Mike quote. Do you think role is irrelevant in performance. DDV is an excellent catch and shoot 3 point shooter. We thought we could use him at the PG. Look at how badly things went for DDV outside the catch and Shoot role. Look at how much better he is in the catch and shoot role. Mike’s best role is an initiator. His most productive is when he is allowed to play PNR with Rudy, or run the offense to get Ant opportunities. Turn Mike into a corner running catch and shoot 3 point shooter look what happens. What do you call this if not suppression?
I don’t think RANDLE is suppressing Mike or Naz.
The reason Mike isn’t initiating as much isn’t because of Randle, it’s because of
Mike, and how slowly he started the season with his age and wrist injury. Everyone wanted Mike to remain the initiator, and there is no doubt we need him to be the player he was last year, but he wasn’t doing the job.
When Naz plays with Randle, he may be the de facto center on defense. It should mean more rebounds right, particularly without a better rebounding KAT here to “suppress” him? Hasn’t happened. On offense, as I said Randle is actually better at passing out to three point shooters than KAT was, and Naz’ volume should have gone up. That hasn’t happened either. Worse, Naz’ percentage has dropped from 41.4% to 35%.
It feels like you are excusing both players for their decline this year, and just blaming Randle as a scapegoat with a handwaving, “well somehow, he must be suppressing their games!” Moving Randle isn’t going to make Naz increase his rebounding percentage or get better looks for three’s he’s missing, or cause Mike to turn into a 32 year old again.
Can't disagree more. When Randle keep the ball 10 seconds trying to score , get double teams and throw a bomb to another players with 4 seconds to play, it's hard not to see you data not down, just because you have to shoot a very difficult shoot.
Mike is a PG old style, which mean he got to get the ball in hands. For 2 reasons, because he can pass well ( see his Assist-TO career ratio) and because he can shoot well specially when he got screen from Rudy.
It's also not a surprise if NAZ, NAW shoot much more when Mike is the ball handler.
We could think Mike decline because of his ages, understandable. But what about Rudy, Jaden? When you don't see the ball, you get cold and don't contribute well.
Randle penalize the team on both side of the field. But he is smart enough to take care his own data. If you look at the game yesterday, there is at least 4 times we miss shoot or TO the ball and NO go for a fast attack where you see 4 players of our teams ready to play defense and one, Randle being 3 or 4 meters, looking at the show. Totally unacceptable. IF we don't trade this guy we have zero chances to win anything.
ANT has also to improve this part of the game but he is our star so we have to accept he is the dominant players of our team. We were very lucky yesterday to win it with the last 4 min we play...
