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TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st

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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#301 » by Basti » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:44 am

Calinks wrote:What sucks is, a guy like Rubio, he struggled with us, grew with us, bleed for this team,took a reasonable deal, gave his all to make us better and now that we finally reach a point where we can be a playoff team, he gets the boot. I badly wanted to see Rubio break through that final barrier and be there when we arrived. Now that opportunity is gone.


And there's no way Ricky will come back as a free agent in the future considering how loyal he's been despite being in constant trade rumors.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#302 » by Klomp » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:45 am

shrink wrote:But how good of a distributor is he going to be when the ball is in Butler's hands?

There will be times Butler isn't on the floor. Good to have a capable distributor for those times.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#303 » by Neeva » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:46 am

Why Teague being better shooter/finisher at the rim than Ricky helps too.

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No doubt

My point is that a traditional PG isn't a overwhelming need with Butler, he is better with the ball than all those guys
If going to spend $18 mil/yr, get a difference maker on the roster. Teague isn't that to me
Otherwise use it elsewhere, just get a wing or combo guard that can defend the opposing PG instead

Teague was one of the biggest assist men in the league last year. He is a traditional PG. Probably a better distributor than Butler.

But how good of a distributor is he going to be when the ball is in Butler's hands?
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#304 » by Neeva » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:46 am

don't want him back ever....
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Calinks wrote:What sucks is, a guy like Rubio, he struggled with us, grew with us, bleed for this team,took a reasonable deal, gave his all to make us better and now that we finally reach a point where we can be a playoff team, he gets the boot. I badly wanted to see Rubio break through that final barrier and be there when we arrived. Now that opportunity is gone.


And there's no way Ricky will come back as a free agent in the future considering how loyal he's been despite being in constant trade rumors.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#305 » by Loyal[]Wolf » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:46 am

Read on Twitter


Looks like good chance we will get that OKC 1st round draft pick next year.

Most likely lose our own, and get OKC's. Love FLIP but I never liked that trade.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#306 » by MN7725 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:47 am

KGdaBom wrote:
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Actually some of those guys move the needle backwards. I think Teague is easily the best one.


No doubt

My point is that a traditional PG isn't a overwhelming need with Butler, he is better with the ball than all those guys
If going to spend $18 mil/yr, get a difference maker on the roster. Teague isn't that to me
Otherwise use it elsewhere, just get a wing or combo guard that can defend the opposing PG instead

Teague was one of the biggest assist men in the league last year. He is a traditional PG. Probably a better distributor than Butler.


Teague was 36.4% Assist, 16.5% TOV

Butler was 29% Assist, 9.3% TOV while carrying huge scoring load
9.3%! that is insane considering the positions he was put with the ball

Give him KAT, Wig and a legit spacing guard or wing, which is not Teague, and let him operate
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#307 » by Baseline81 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:47 am

There goes any chance at a decent OKC first rounder. George has been traded to the Thunder according to Shelburne.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#308 » by shrink » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:48 am

Read on Twitter


EDIT: My Bad. I always get the names and games of Paul George and Gordon Hayward mixed up.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#309 » by Ethomasp31 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:50 am

AirP. wrote:Question for Wolves fans...

Thibs didn't make any harsh moves for 1 full year, he sat back and evaluated his players.

Thibs got his star in Butler, he had a pretty good idea what the Bull's front office thought about all kinds of players around the league, he just had to wait them out.

Thibs moved Rubio out to clear space and get a first, exactly what he tried to do with New York with Rose and a 1st round pick, he waited it out. He didn't just want to clear space, he wanted a 1st round pick also and he got it.

Thibs may already have a deal EARLY for a PG he wants which would mean on his terms, both money and years.

He's not made one hasty move yet for some reason people are still thinking he's not exactly sure what he's doing. Thibs is looking at long term, not just next year.

There's probably still cap space which if they have a contact for Teague already figured out, Thibs knows exactly how much he has to work with... isn't it logical he has more plans or is doing all this for a specific purpose?



Well thought out post. Here is what some posters might be worried about. I get we have been out of the playoffs for 13 years...and you can't always keep on building for the future. But for some of us, this team feels like a 5th or 6th seed in the west...and honestly, we are not a title contender next season or even the season after that with Golden State looking like they will be good for the next 3-4 years. We traded 3 young key p pieces with team control for Butler. I get Butler is an excellent two way player. But he is not Michael Jordan or Scottie Pippen. We could have been patient with LaVine and the other two pieces we traded to see how they looked at the end of this year. With all these moves it feels like we are almost moving all in on a team that seems to be a 5th seed in the west. If you are going to move all in, I'm not sure that Teague is the guy you want to move all in with. I get it....we still have Wiggins and KAT.....but maybe the move all in was a little pre mature.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#310 » by cpfsf » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:51 am

C.lupus wrote:I'm warming up to Teague being here. Certainly not what I would have chosen but if it's something near 3/55M I can live with that. I'm guessing this (if true) also means that Lowry told them privately that he wasn't interested. Holiday is re-upping in NOLA and Hill wasn't interested either so the options are shrinking. And Teague is certainly better than Rose.

I guess I'm indifferent to this move. I won't rehash the pros and cons already said by everyone else. Though I wonder how other free agents will feel about this. Did they have a preference between the two guards, or does that even make a difference to them?
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#311 » by shrink » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:51 am

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:But how good of a distributor is he going to be when the ball is in Butler's hands?

There will be times Butler isn't on the floor. Good to have a capable distributor for those times.

I think that Thibs will always have Butler or Wiggins on the floor, with the ball in their hands. Thibs will try to develop Wiggins into a better Jimmy Butler.

I'm not saying it's bad to have another guy that can pass. I'm saying that Teague's passing, and Rubio's, becomes less valuable here with Thibs.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#312 » by Calinks » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:51 am

LOL Lakers! I thought everything just fell into place for big market teams?

Thunder just got a big upgrade, west going to be brutal.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#313 » by Ethomasp31 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:53 am

shrink wrote:
Loyal[]Wolf wrote:
Read on Twitter


Looks like good chance we will get that OKC 1st round draft pick next year.

Just like you all told me.

"No way Hayward doesn't go to BOS!"

"MIN isn't nearly a good enough team to interest him."

:wink:

If this is accurate there is another Eastern conference stud moving west.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#314 » by MN7725 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:55 am

Loyal[]Wolf wrote:
Read on Twitter


Looks like good chance we will get that OKC 1st round draft pick next year.

Most likely lose our own, and get OKC's. Love FLIP but I never liked that trade.


yeah, will be nice to get another cheap contract/project player at that point

hoping it stays in the teens
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#315 » by Basti » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:55 am

Neeva wrote:don't want him back ever....
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Calinks wrote:What sucks is, a guy like Rubio, he struggled with us, grew with us, bleed for this team,took a reasonable deal, gave his all to make us better and now that we finally reach a point where we can be a playoff team, he gets the boot. I badly wanted to see Rubio break through that final barrier and be there when we arrived. Now that opportunity is gone.


And there's no way Ricky will come back as a free agent in the future considering how loyal he's been despite being in constant trade rumors.


I'm not talking about getting him back in two years when his current contract is up but rather when he's in his early 30's looking for the contract beyond the next one. If he's willing to come back as a back up vet for the MLE or something like that you take it and run. He is after all a player that contributes to winning.
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#316 » by Alwaysrightguy » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:56 am

I never got the love for Rubio. Grown ass men crying over a 25 year old guy who never lived up to the hype. He was starting to grow on me because I had to watch him but he had so many flaws that could not be overcome. Guy had heart that was it. I trust Tibbs/Layden. Can't wait to see if Teague is his guy after the smoke clears. He already pulled off Jimmy which was a dream come true so anything else is just pieces getting into place.

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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#317 » by Baseline81 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:56 am

Calinks wrote:LOL Lakers! I thought everything just fell into place for big market teams?

Thunder just got a big upgrade, west going to be brutal.

Not so fast. Shelburne saying it's for Oladipo and Sabonis. That sounds more like OKC making a one-year run and praying it will change his mind about signing with the Lakers.
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Post#318 » by Alwaysrightguy » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:57 am

Loyal[]Wolf wrote:
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Looks like good chance we will get that OKC 1st round draft pick next year.

Most likely lose our own, and get OKC's. Love FLIP but I never liked that trade.

That was Izzo selling Flip on it. Too bad

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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#319 » by MN7725 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:58 am

Baseline81 wrote:
Calinks wrote:LOL Lakers! I thought everything just fell into place for big market teams?

Thunder just got a big upgrade, west going to be brutal.

Not so fast. Shelburne saying it's for Oladipo and Sabonis. That sounds more like OKC making a one-year run and praying it will change his mind about signing with the Lakers.


Honestly, OKC might be happy to get off Dipo's contract too...
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Re: TRADE: Rubio to Utah for '18 OKC 1st 

Post#320 » by guest81 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:59 am

mercgold3 wrote:Ricky Rubio to Jeff Teague !!!
And paying more to Teague...

Wolves being Wolves.


Teague was the best player on a 60 win Hawks teams a year ago. You act like he's Trey Burke or something

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