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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#301 » by vagelis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:06 pm

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Klomp wrote:How dare these robots have a life of their own! They need to be in a gym every second of every day!


He can do whatever he wants. It would just be better if he wanted to be in the gym more, than playing video games.
I dont think that there is a single big player who was addicted in video games. I cannot imagine Michael Jordan spending time with joysticks and consoles. Time passes fast and proffessional athletes have to try hard every day to get better.


Michael Jordan did tons of non basketball stuff during the season and even stuff that would be considered unprofessional by your standards.


Non basketball stuff during season is something sure to happen.
But I think that video games is an addiction for some people. They play too many hours and imagine to play in tournaments. This means that you spend a lot of time in that habit and you are good. Standing in a chair and playing is bad for the body and brain.
I dont know what Wiggins is doing exactly in his daily program but I just would prefer if he was dedicated to become the best he can be in basketball.
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#302 » by minimus » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:10 pm

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Klomp wrote:How dare these robots have a life of their own! They need to be in a gym every second of every day!


He can do whatever he wants. It would just be better if he wanted to be in the gym more, than playing video games.
I dont think that there is a single big player who was addicted in video games. I cannot imagine Michael Jordan spending time with joysticks and consoles. Time passes fast and proffessional athletes have to try hard every day to get better.


Michael Jordan did tons of non basketball stuff during the season and even stuff that would be considered unprofessional by your standards.


Played cards, golf etc. Heck, even ping pong. I have no problems with AW playing videogames. I just hope he wants to win everytime like MJ did.
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#303 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:19 pm

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He can do whatever he wants. It would just be better if he wanted to be in the gym more, than playing video games.
I dont think that there is a single big player who was addicted in video games. I cannot imagine Michael Jordan spending time with joysticks and consoles. Time passes fast and proffessional athletes have to try hard every day to get better.


Michael Jordan did tons of non basketball stuff during the season and even stuff that would be considered unprofessional by your standards.


Non basketball stuff during season is something sure to happen.
But I think that video games is an addiction for some people. They play too many hours and imagine to play in tournaments. This means that you spend a lot of time in that habit and you are good. Standing in a chair and playing is bad for the body and brain.
I dont know what Wiggins is doing exactly in his daily program but I just would prefer if he was dedicated to become the best he can be in basketball.


This is a very boomer take.

1. Smoking is an addiction for people like Michael Jordan. He did that all the time. Go rip him about it. James Harden goes out and parties at strip clubs a lot during the season. Stop expecting these people to be robots.

2. Being in a chair is bad for your body if you don't get exercise. Andrew Wiggins gets more exercise than 99% of all other human beings. So that doesn't relate to him.

3. Can you show me the studies that say video game are bad for your brain? If not then you should stop stating this as fact.

4. The realization you need to come to is that Wiggins biggest problem isn't playing video games in his spare time. It is that he doesn't have the mentality to be one of the greatest players. There is no training for that. There are a bunch of great players who play video games in their free time and it doesn't hurt them.
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#304 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:23 pm

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vagelis wrote:
He can do whatever he wants. It would just be better if he wanted to be in the gym more, than playing video games.
I dont think that there is a single big player who was addicted in video games. I cannot imagine Michael Jordan spending time with joysticks and consoles. Time passes fast and proffessional athletes have to try hard every day to get better.


Michael Jordan did tons of non basketball stuff during the season and even stuff that would be considered unprofessional by your standards.


Played cards, golf etc. Heck, even ping pong. I have no problems with AW playing videogames. I just hope he wants to win everytime like MJ did.


Players used to smoke cigarettes, weed, and drink before and even during games. Players going clubbing nights before games still. Or they are doing advertisement deals, movies, tv shows, vlogs, podcasts. Non of this is basketball related.
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#305 » by vagelis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:51 pm

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vagelis wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Michael Jordan did tons of non basketball stuff during the season and even stuff that would be considered unprofessional by your standards.


Non basketball stuff during season is something sure to happen.
But I think that video games is an addiction for some people. They play too many hours and imagine to play in tournaments. This means that you spend a lot of time in that habit and you are good. Standing in a chair and playing is bad for the body and brain.
I dont know what Wiggins is doing exactly in his daily program but I just would prefer if he was dedicated to become the best he can be in basketball.


This is a very boomer take.

1. Smoking is an addiction for people like Michael Jordan. He did that all the time. Go rip him about it. James Harden goes out and parties at strip clubs a lot during the season. Stop expecting these people to be robots.

2. Being in a chair is bad for your body if you don't get exercise. Andrew Wiggins gets more exercise than 99% of all other human beings. So that doesn't relate to him.

3. Can you show me the studies that say video game are bad for your brain? If not then you should stop stating this as fact.

4. The realization you need to come to is that Wiggins biggest problem isn't playing video games in his spare time. It is that he doesn't have the mentality to be one of the greatest players. There is no training for that. There are a bunch of great players who play video games in their free time and it doesn't hurt them.


1. You say Jordan did that all the time but as I see here he smoked his first cigar in 1991 while he was 28 years old. He says also that he did one cigar before games
https://www.havanahouse.co.uk/michael-jordan-smokes-incredible-six-cigars-day/
He says that he smokes about 6 cigars per day, nowadays, if I understand well. So I understand that you say something that you have just heared that he smoked all the time.
About James Harden I don't believe that he goes every night in strip clubs. Maybe he does that ones per month or so I dont know. That doesnt affect his daily production in basketball. Video gamers play every day and a lot of hours.

2. If you have ever played any kind of sport you would know that being in a chair for many hours affects your athletic performance.
Kobe Bryant says that he used the helicopter in order to avoid traffic and keeping his body fresh. He means avoiding standing for too long in a chair
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-helicopter-travel-common-avoid-la-traffic-stay-fresh/4584066002/

3.Here are some links with the sickness after playing video games. I mean not long term damage brain but just after playing video games a lot of hours you feel dizziness. I think that anyone knows that and I am surprised that you say something different
https://www.dramamine.com/blog/201910/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick
https://www.lifewire.com/video-games-and-motion-sickness-3562484
https://www.howtogeek.com/241285/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/

4. The mentality to become one of the greatest has to do also(among with other things of course) with the dedication and prioritize basketball as your biggest goal.

5. I understand that many of you are gamers and thats the reason for some reactions.


Wiggins plays good, he is a very talented player but I have more expectations from him as we all have. He needs to be dedicated because the years for a professional athlete are limited. He has to succeed because he has the tools
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#306 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:27 pm

1. You say Jordan did that all the time but as I see here he smoked his first cigar in 1991 while he was 28 years old. He says also that he did one cigar before games
https://www.havanahouse.co.uk/michael-jordan-smokes-incredible-six-cigars-day/
He says that he smokes about 6 cigars per day, nowadays, if I understand well. So I understand that you say something that you have just heared that he smoked all the time.
About James Harden I don't believe that he goes every night in strip clubs. Maybe he does that ones per month or so I dont know. That doesnt affect his daily production in basketball. Video gamers play every day and a lot of hours.


Sounds pretty unprofessional to me. James Harden literally had his jersey retired at a strip club. Keep shifting those goal posts.

2. If you have ever played any kind of sport you would know that being in a chair for many hours affects your athletic performance.
Kobe Bryant says that he used the helicopter in order to avoid traffic and keeping his body fresh. He means avoiding standing for too long in a chair
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-helicopter-travel-common-avoid-la-traffic-stay-fresh/4584066002/


That is immediately before a game. Unless you can find evidence of Wiggins sitting down and playing video games before a game then you are just shifting the goalposts to fit your narrative.

3.Here are some links with the sickness after playing video games. I mean not long term damage brain but just after playing video games a lot of hours you feel dizziness. I think that anyone knows that and I am surprised that you say something different
https://www.dramamine.com/blog/201910/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick
https://www.lifewire.com/video-games-and-motion-sickness-3562484
https://www.howtogeek.com/241285/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/


Come on :roll:

Your first source is trying to sell product and provided zero sourcing of any peer reviewed studies of their claims. Your second source is about "some" people getting motion sickness in video games not all people getting motion sickness from video games. Motion sickness is brought on by more than just video games. Can you find a link of Wiggins getting motion sickness from video games? Otherwise this is just nonsensical. From your third article, if you read it yourself, "What about certain video games makes some people nauseated." Motion sickness isn't caused by video games it is an effect of people who are prone to motion sickness. Any claims otherwise is a lie. These sources are very stupid.

4. The mentality to become one of the greatest has to do also(among with other things of course) with the dedication and prioritize basketball as your biggest goal.


Freaking Lebron James still plays video games.


5. I understand that many of you are gamers and thats the reason for some reactions.


The reason for the reaction is that some people like to deal with facts and qualified sources, not freaking Dramamine.com and some websites talking about motion sickness.

I can't take this debate seriously anymore so this will be my last response.
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Post#307 » by vagelis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:53 pm

Mattya wrote:
1. You say Jordan did that all the time but as I see here he smoked his first cigar in 1991 while he was 28 years old. He says also that he did one cigar before games
https://www.havanahouse.co.uk/michael-jordan-smokes-incredible-six-cigars-day/
He says that he smokes about 6 cigars per day, nowadays, if I understand well. So I understand that you say something that you have just heared that he smoked all the time.
About James Harden I don't believe that he goes every night in strip clubs. Maybe he does that ones per month or so I dont know. That doesnt affect his daily production in basketball. Video gamers play every day and a lot of hours.


Sounds pretty unprofessional to me. James Harden literally had his jersey retired at a strip club. Keep shifting those goal posts.

2. If you have ever played any kind of sport you would know that being in a chair for many hours affects your athletic performance.
Kobe Bryant says that he used the helicopter in order to avoid traffic and keeping his body fresh. He means avoiding standing for too long in a chair
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-helicopter-travel-common-avoid-la-traffic-stay-fresh/4584066002/


That is immediately before a game. Unless you can find evidence of Wiggins sitting down and playing video games before a game then you are just shifting the goalposts to fit your narrative.

3.Here are some links with the sickness after playing video games. I mean not long term damage brain but just after playing video games a lot of hours you feel dizziness. I think that anyone knows that and I am surprised that you say something different
https://www.dramamine.com/blog/201910/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick
https://www.lifewire.com/video-games-and-motion-sickness-3562484
https://www.howtogeek.com/241285/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/


Come on :roll:

Your first source is trying to sell product and provided zero sourcing of any peer reviewed studies of their claims. Your second source is about "some" people getting motion sickness in video games not all people getting motion sickness from video games. Motion sickness is brought on by more than just video games. Can you find a link of Wiggins getting motion sickness from video games? Otherwise this is just nonsensical. From your third article, if you read it yourself, "What about certain video games makes some people nauseated." Motion sickness isn't caused by video games it is an effect of people who are prone to motion sickness. Any claims otherwise is a lie. These sources are very stupid.

4. The mentality to become one of the greatest has to do also(among with other things of course) with the dedication and prioritize basketball as your biggest goal.


Freaking Lebron James still plays video games.


5. I understand that many of you are gamers and thats the reason for some reactions.


The reason for the reaction is that some people like to deal with facts and qualified sources, not freaking Dramamine.com and some websites talking about motion sickness.

I can't take this debate seriously anymore so this will be my last response.


1. One cigarette per day is almost nothing proffessional or unproffessional. And your first statement that he did that all the time proves who says things that do not exist in order to prove something.
2. It has not only to be before games, if he does that before practices they can be affected too. And we don't know if he plays before games. Hope not
3. I can find 1000 sources about this, I just googled video games dizziness and posted the first links. It is life experience that you get dizziness from video games you don't need even sources to prove it.
4. It is different if somebody plays video games once in a while and different if you are a gamer and spend hours on it.

some things are very clear and I don't know why we have to disagree
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#308 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:13 pm

vagelis wrote:
Mattya wrote:
1. You say Jordan did that all the time but as I see here he smoked his first cigar in 1991 while he was 28 years old. He says also that he did one cigar before games
https://www.havanahouse.co.uk/michael-jordan-smokes-incredible-six-cigars-day/
He says that he smokes about 6 cigars per day, nowadays, if I understand well. So I understand that you say something that you have just heared that he smoked all the time.
About James Harden I don't believe that he goes every night in strip clubs. Maybe he does that ones per month or so I dont know. That doesnt affect his daily production in basketball. Video gamers play every day and a lot of hours.


Sounds pretty unprofessional to me. James Harden literally had his jersey retired at a strip club. Keep shifting those goal posts.

2. If you have ever played any kind of sport you would know that being in a chair for many hours affects your athletic performance.
Kobe Bryant says that he used the helicopter in order to avoid traffic and keeping his body fresh. He means avoiding standing for too long in a chair
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-helicopter-travel-common-avoid-la-traffic-stay-fresh/4584066002/


That is immediately before a game. Unless you can find evidence of Wiggins sitting down and playing video games before a game then you are just shifting the goalposts to fit your narrative.

3.Here are some links with the sickness after playing video games. I mean not long term damage brain but just after playing video games a lot of hours you feel dizziness. I think that anyone knows that and I am surprised that you say something different
https://www.dramamine.com/blog/201910/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick
https://www.lifewire.com/video-games-and-motion-sickness-3562484
https://www.howtogeek.com/241285/why-video-games-make-you-feel-sick-and-what-you-can-do-about-it/


Come on :roll:

Your first source is trying to sell product and provided zero sourcing of any peer reviewed studies of their claims. Your second source is about "some" people getting motion sickness in video games not all people getting motion sickness from video games. Motion sickness is brought on by more than just video games. Can you find a link of Wiggins getting motion sickness from video games? Otherwise this is just nonsensical. From your third article, if you read it yourself, "What about certain video games makes some people nauseated." Motion sickness isn't caused by video games it is an effect of people who are prone to motion sickness. Any claims otherwise is a lie. These sources are very stupid.

4. The mentality to become one of the greatest has to do also(among with other things of course) with the dedication and prioritize basketball as your biggest goal.


Freaking Lebron James still plays video games.


5. I understand that many of you are gamers and thats the reason for some reactions.


The reason for the reaction is that some people like to deal with facts and qualified sources, not freaking Dramamine.com and some websites talking about motion sickness.

I can't take this debate seriously anymore so this will be my last response.


1. One cigarette per day is almost nothing proffessional or unproffessional. And your first statement that he did that all the time proves who says things that do not exist in order to prove something.
2. It has not only to be before games, if he does that before practices they can be affected too. And we don't know if he plays before games. Hope not
3. I can find 1000 sources about this, I just googled video games dizziness and posted the first links. It is life experience that you get dizziness from video games you don't need even sources to prove it.
4. It is different if somebody plays video games once in a while and different if you are a gamer and spend hours on it.

some things are very clear and I don't know why we have to disagree


1. You literally cited Jordan smoking before games? Unless you take "smoking all the time" literally. No I didn't mean Jordan literally smoked while he slept. People who argue like you are impossible to have rational debates with.

2. More shifting goal posts.

3. Provide the 1000 peer reviewed articles that say video games are bad for your brain. I'll be waiting.

4. Oh wait, I thought you were just saying that I was making things up, now you have been implying Wiggins is spending hours everyday playing video games? Weird turn of events.

Your claims so far seem to be that because Video Games cause dizziness is "some" people, as your proof that video games are bad for your brain, and because of that Andrew Wiggins and other NBA players shouldn't play video games. That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#309 » by Jedzz » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:18 pm

Mattya wrote:
minimus wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Michael Jordan did tons of non basketball stuff during the season and even stuff that would be considered unprofessional by your standards.


Played cards, golf etc. Heck, even ping pong. I have no problems with AW playing videogames. I just hope he wants to win everytime like MJ did.


Players used to smoke cigarettes, weed, and drink before and even during games. Players going clubbing nights before games still. Or they are doing advertisement deals, movies, tv shows, vlogs, podcasts. Non of this is basketball related.


Not sure why you are getting so riled up over this. He's just providing a possibility.

Saying one person can party the night before a game and still perform highly doesn't mean they all can. Saying ten players can still doesn't mean they all can. Saying 1,000 can toke up before a game and still perform highly doesn't mean they all can.

Just like one person relaxing from maryj, and the other flying off into anxiety attacks. Everyone is different.

Gaming can be addictive to those prone to addictive behaviors of any type. I mostly now stay away from it because I know full well I can sit in a chair from sun up to sun down gaming and never get bored of it. I love the competition of it and you don't have to deal with your body breaking down much from it like daily grind of sports. However it can break your body down slowly. It can turn you into a turd if you let it. You start feeling it in your fingers/wrists going numb, or your back or shoulders doing something weird it's best to give it up for good. Most people have other life requirements drag them away from the games. But if you are a diehard gamer spending countless hours, or a pro athlete with ability to do anything with your spare time you want, and maybe gaming has got you hooked, prepare for some kind of side effects.

I often wonder about eye hand coordination changes. All of a sudden you are intensely training your fingers and wrists into small actions to perform major actions in these game. Muscle memory and eye/hand coordination are real things built on repetitive motions. I wonder further about our eyes, trained intently on a single forward screen position and depth for hours on end. You hip and butt, sitting in a chair position for hours on end. Like office workers spending 30-40 years for 8 hour days in a chair. It morphs people into bean bags that fit their chairs, their eyes can probably stare a laser hole through your head if they concentrate, and their fingers from typing and clicking can probably poke holes through two by fours. I'm kidding, but ask them to get off their chair and go hit a baseball with a bat or sink a basket like when they were kids and they will tell you something is no longer the same.

Mattya, you went off on his idea about motion sickness saying that only some people have that issue. That's true. So why in this case can't this person be someone feeling the impacts of this? Maybe they don't even realize it. Maybe it's not a strong effect they notice, but it throws off their balance just enough, or their eye/hand coordination just enough.

I'm not going to overrule on such a suggestion just because google/internet doesn't have a link on this for you to research. Maybe someone should yet start research on the further impact gaming has on such things. Maybe they could start with the Timberwolves players and find a correlation on hours of gaming to shooting percentage in games. Do a simple test, ask them all to avoid gaming of any type for one month. See if it has impact on their play.
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Post#310 » by vagelis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:47 pm

Mattya wrote:
1. You literally cited Jordan smoking before games? Unless you take "smoking all the time" literally. No I didn't mean Jordan literally smoked while he slept. People who argue like you are impossible to have rational debates with.

2. More shifting goal posts.

3. Provide the 1000 peer reviewed articles that say video games are bad for your brain. I'll be waiting.

4. Oh wait, I thought you were just saying that I was making things up, now you have been implying Wiggins is spending hours everyday playing video games? Weird turn of events.

Your claims so far seem to be that because Video Games cause dizziness is "some" people, as your proof that video games are bad for your brain, and because of that Andrew Wiggins and other NBA players shouldn't play video games. That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.



You just sayed that you will not respond and here we are again. So, who cannot be taken serious?

1) if "smoking all the time" for you is one cigarette per day then you cannot understand basic things and you are far from being rational. I think you can understand this or not?

2)...

3) you prove that you are not rational or being upset if you think that I will waste my time providing you 1000 sources. In your first sentence you talk about take an expression literally. Here it fits better. You cannot take it literally that I will provide you 1000 sources. Or you can?

4) where exactly did I say that I am sure that Wiggins is spending hours playing video games? In my sentence that you responded I said that Lebron maybe plays video games but he is not a gamer and that is a big difference. For Wiggins we don't know but there are things that maybe lead in this conclusion. But maybe he is not. Look I don't make things up like you, if I don't know something I say if, maybe and I dont try to argue without a reason.
I have already said that I don't know what Wiggins daily program is, you can find it in our nice discussion here.

I just made a not basketball post and you made it such a big issue without a reason. And we waste our time with all this discussion.
I like Wiggins and just want him to succeed.
If you think that if he is a video gamer it is good for his basketball career ok. No problem. Personally I disagree.
If you think that he is not a gamer, ok too. I personally don't know that.
You said your opinion, I said mine but it has gone too far. As you have said we have to be rational
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Re: Wiggins: "There's not 100 players better than me" 

Post#311 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Not sure why you are getting so riled up over this. He's just providing a possibility.


It is baseless speculation without any evidence to back up his claims. It is bs.

Saying one person can party the night before a game and still perform highly doesn't mean they all can. Saying ten players can still doesn't mean they all can. Saying 1,000 can toke up before a game and still perform highly doesn't mean they all can.

Just like one person relaxing from maryj, and the other flying off into anxiety attacks. Everyone is different.

Gaming can be addictive to those prone to addictive behaviors of any type. I mostly now stay away from it because I know full well I can sit in a chair from sun up to sun down gaming and never get bored of it. I love the competition of it and you don't have to deal with your body breaking down much from it like daily grind of sports. However it can break your body down slowly. It can turn you into a turd if you let it. You start feeling it in your fingers/wrists going numb, or your back or shoulders doing something weird it's best to give it up for good.


What does any of this have to do with Wiggins going to a COD event? Or the random times you see him snap about fort nite or cod?

The dude is in fantastic shape and is rarely injured. Lerbon, Lillard, Hayward, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Towns, Booker, LaVine all play video games. This rush to blame video games for everything reminds me a lot of when people rush to blame weed for everything it is all stupid. What people do in their free time is up to them and there is no evidence that Wiggins is playing video games sun up to sun down. Stop creating boogeymen out of nothing. Gaming can be addictive, but is there any evidence to suggest that Wiggins is a gaming addict. To the point where people can rip his professionalism for it? While we hold up idols like Michael Jordan and other 90s stars who were horrible gambling addicts? Wiggins clearly has the talent to dominate when he wants to. It is his heart. He has the skill to score whenever so I have a hard time believing that Video Games are negatively impacting his mental or physical abilities. The guy just doesn't play hard.


I often wonder about eye hand coordination changes. All of a sudden you are intensely training your fingers and wrists into small actions to perform major actions in these game. Muscle memory and eye/hand coordination are real things built on repetitive motions. I wonder further about our eyes, trained intently on a single forward screen position and depth for hours on end. You hip and butt, sitting in a chair position for hours on end. Like office workers spending 30-40 years for 8 hour days in a chair. It morphs people into bean bags that fit their chairs, their eyes can probably stare a laser hole through your head if they concentrate, and their fingers from typing and clicking can probably poke holes through two by fours. I'm kidding, but ask them to get off their chair and go hit a baseball with a bat or sink a basket like when they were kids and they will tell you something is no longer the same.


Again how does this relate to Andrew Wiggins? Guy could probably run a 4.4 forty if he wanted to even after playing in a cod tournament. Most of my friend play video games one guy is up at 6AM in the cold going to the gym everyday, another goes rowing in Seattle, another plays in a rec league with me, most of the people I grew up on traveling teams with play video games and none of them are in bad shape. If there is one stereotype that needs to end is that people who play video games are slobs or uncoordinated.

Mattya, you went off on his idea about motion sickness saying that only some people have that issue. That's true. So why in this case can't this person be someone feeling the impacts of this? Maybe they don't even realize it. Maybe it's not a strong effect they notice, but it throws off their balance just enough, or their eye/hand coordination just enough.


I went off on this idea of motion sickness? It was literally Vagelis' proof of "video games being bad for your brain"

and again is there any evidence that Wiggins has motion sickness? I've never had motion sickness. None of my friends who play video games get motion sickness. You have to be predisposed to motion sickness to be impacted by video games or anything else that causes motion sickness. I've never felt sick playing a video game ever.

I'm not going to overrule on such a suggestion just because google/internet doesn't have a link on this for you to research. Maybe someone should yet start research on the further impact gaming has on such things.


There has been and still needs to be.

"We focused on how the brain reacts to video game exposure, but these effects do not always translate to real-life changes," notes Palaus. The research into the effects of video gaming is still in its infancy and scientists are still scrutinizing what aspects of gaming impact what brain regions and how.

"It's likely that video games have both positive (on attention, visual and motor skills) and negative aspects (risk of addiction), and it is essential we embrace this complexity," Palaus continues.


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318345.php#11

There are plenty of studies out there, but you have to be open to the idea that you might be wrong.

but listing freaking dizziness as proof of the negative impact on someone's brain is incredibly stupid.
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Post#312 » by TheProdigy » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:55 pm

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Mattya wrote:
1. You literally cited Jordan smoking before games? Unless you take "smoking all the time" literally. No I didn't mean Jordan literally smoked while he slept. People who argue like you are impossible to have rational debates with.

2. More shifting goal posts.

3. Provide the 1000 peer reviewed articles that say video games are bad for your brain. I'll be waiting.

4. Oh wait, I thought you were just saying that I was making things up, now you have been implying Wiggins is spending hours everyday playing video games? Weird turn of events.

Your claims so far seem to be that because Video Games cause dizziness is "some" people, as your proof that video games are bad for your brain, and because of that Andrew Wiggins and other NBA players shouldn't play video games. That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.



You just sayed that you will not respond and here we are again. So, who cannot be taken serious?

1) if "smoking all the time" for you is one cigarette per day then you cannot understand basic things and you are far from being rational. I think you can understand this or not?

2)...

3) you prove that you are not rational or being upset if you think that I will waste my time providing you 1000 sources. In your first sentence you talk about take an expression literally. Here it fits better. You cannot take it literally that I will provide you 1000 sources. Or you can?

4) where exactly did I say that I am sure that Wiggins is spending hours playing video games? In my sentence that you responded I said that Lebron maybe plays video games but he is not a gamer and that is a big difference. For Wiggins we don't know but there are things that maybe lead in this conclusion. But maybe he is not. Look I don't make things up like you, if I don't know something I say if, maybe and I dont try to argue without a reason.
I have already said that I don't know what Wiggins program you can find it in our nice discussion here.

I just made a not basketball post and you made it such a big issue without a reason. And we waste our time with all this discussion.
I like Wiggins and just want him to succeed.
If you think that if he is a gamer it is good for his basketball career ok. No problem. Personally I disagree.
If you think that he is not a gamer, ok too. I personally don't know that.
You said your opinion, I said mine but it has gone too far. As you have said we have to be rational

I saw alot of people from my college days end up dropping out of college because all they did was smoke pot and play the types of 1st person shooter video games Wiggs likes to play. They had no motivation. I'm not necessarily saying that's 100% what is happening with Wiggs, but if you look at his progress since entering the league and his involvement in the gaming community, it does make you wonder.
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Post#313 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:02 pm

DaKidKG wrote:
vagelis wrote:
Mattya wrote:
1. You literally cited Jordan smoking before games? Unless you take "smoking all the time" literally. No I didn't mean Jordan literally smoked while he slept. People who argue like you are impossible to have rational debates with.

2. More shifting goal posts.

3. Provide the 1000 peer reviewed articles that say video games are bad for your brain. I'll be waiting.

4. Oh wait, I thought you were just saying that I was making things up, now you have been implying Wiggins is spending hours everyday playing video games? Weird turn of events.

Your claims so far seem to be that because Video Games cause dizziness is "some" people, as your proof that video games are bad for your brain, and because of that Andrew Wiggins and other NBA players shouldn't play video games. That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.



You just sayed that you will not respond and here we are again. So, who cannot be taken serious?

1) if "smoking all the time" for you is one cigarette per day then you cannot understand basic things and you are far from being rational. I think you can understand this or not?

2)...

3) you prove that you are not rational or being upset if you think that I will waste my time providing you 1000 sources. In your first sentence you talk about take an expression literally. Here it fits better. You cannot take it literally that I will provide you 1000 sources. Or you can?

4) where exactly did I say that I am sure that Wiggins is spending hours playing video games? In my sentence that you responded I said that Lebron maybe plays video games but he is not a gamer and that is a big difference. For Wiggins we don't know but there are things that maybe lead in this conclusion. But maybe he is not. Look I don't make things up like you, if I don't know something I say if, maybe and I dont try to argue without a reason.
I have already said that I don't know what Wiggins program you can find it in our nice discussion here.

I just made a not basketball post and you made it such a big issue without a reason. And we waste our time with all this discussion.
I like Wiggins and just want him to succeed.
If you think that if he is a gamer it is good for his basketball career ok. No problem. Personally I disagree.
If you think that he is not a gamer, ok too. I personally don't know that.
You said your opinion, I said mine but it has gone too far. As you have said we have to be rational

I saw alot of people from my college days end up dropping out of college because all they did was smoke pot and play the types of 1st person shooter video games Wiggs likes to play. They had no motivation. I'm not necessarily saying that's 100% what is happening with Wiggs, but if you look at his progress since entering the league and his involvement in the gaming community, it does make you wonder.


What involvement in the gaming community does he have? Again outside of him snap chatting him winning in fort nite, or the handful of cod events he has been to over these 5/6 years I'm not seeing it.

How is Zach LaVine doing so well, when he has been even more involved in the Destiny community than Wiggins. How about Towns and his much more significant involvement in the Call of Duty community. Devin Booker? DLo?

How about all the NBA players playing 2K. Or League of Legends.

Maybe you guys just don't realize how popular video games are for NBA players.
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Post#315 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:59 pm

Kobe Bryant, Justin Bieber and Mila Kunis are all self-proclaimed gamers.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/mark-zuckerberg-larry-page-and-elon-musk-play-video-games-should-you.html

How was Kobe able to be one of the greatest players of all time while considering himself a gamer? I thought that games negatively impacted his body and brain?
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Post#316 » by mandurugo » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:09 pm

Speaking about the dangers of some hobbies - do you recall that Jordan almost ended his career due to his cigar smoking? Perhaps alcohol might have play a role in the incident as well but that's pure speculation I believe... At any rate, be careful when snipping your cigars.

https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/finger-shelved-jordan-article-1.824883
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Post#318 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:13 pm



How did this guy even make it through college if he played Halo before?
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Post#319 » by vagelis » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:20 pm

Mattya wrote:
Kobe Bryant, Justin Bieber and Mila Kunis are all self-proclaimed gamers.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/mark-zuckerberg-larry-page-and-elon-musk-play-video-games-should-you.html

How was Kobe able to be one of the greatest players of all time while considering himself a gamer? I thought that games negatively impacted his body and brain?


These are facts for sure Kobe was a gamer this picture of him holding a joystick proves that he played all day.
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Post#320 » by Mattya » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:22 pm

vagelis wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Kobe Bryant, Justin Bieber and Mila Kunis are all self-proclaimed gamers.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/mark-zuckerberg-larry-page-and-elon-musk-play-video-games-should-you.html

How was Kobe able to be one of the greatest players of all time while considering himself a gamer? I thought that games negatively impacted his body and brain?


These are facts for sure Kobe was a gamer this picture of him holding a joystick proves that he played all day.


"Self proclaimed"

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