Trade Talk (Part Four)

[minimus]

1) Trade JJ, BRO pick, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for Aaron Gordon
2) Draft Edwards with our FRP, draft Xavier Tillman with SRP
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Juancho to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Tyler Tillman for 1+3 deal as well.

KAT(30)/Reid(10)/Tillman(8)
Gordon(30)/Juancho(15)/Vanderbilt(3)
Okogie(20)/Layman(20)/Martin(8)
Edwards(18)/Beasley(25)/Culver(5)
DLo(30)/Culver(15)/JMac(3)

Why it might work?

1) KAT/Edwards/DLo might be a perfect combination, because Edwards has elite potential as slasher. In Georgia he was #1 option in offense, playing next to KAT and DLo he might develop his potential further
2) Beasley as 6th man sounds like an ideal fit. He stabilizes entire bench unit.
3) For the first time in many years, we will have a solid bench
4) Vanderbilt, Tillman, Reid, Martin, Culver, and Okogie all can improve significantly
5) Gordon, Okogie and Edwards can bring much needed athleticism

[Jedzz]

2) Beasley as 6th man sounds like an ideal fit. He stabilizes entire bench unit.
3) For the first time in many years, we will have a solid bench

Sorry, this is Fail. F for the day. This wiped out so many good posts by you today too. Darn it,why?


42.5% 3pt shooter as starter with Wolves 2020
48.5% 3pt shooter as starter for Denver during 2018-19 season.

You don't move that to bench. N.O. spells NO.

[shrink]

I don’t think that’s unreasonable valuation minimus, and I like that is gets rid of our roster glut, but ORL isn’t going to to a 5-for-1 and deal with the roster issues.

[Jedzz]

Evan Turner (expiring) plus SRP. (#16 in jeapardy now)
Throw in Culver if they want him.

Take home Gordon.

[minimus]

1) Trade JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans for Harrison Barnes, #12

Why for SAC: they get expiring JJ, make room for Fox, future Bogdanovic contracts. They get former to6 pick in Culver.
Why for MIN: we get experienced combo forward who shoots 38% from 3pt. He is overpaid, but his contract is declining 22, 20, 18mil. Also by trading Evans, Spellman contract we it is like playing Barnes 4mil less in 2021/22, around 18mil.

2) Trade Nowell, SAC #12, BRO #16 for DET #5.
Why for DET: they get multiple assets in order to speed up rebuild process
Why for MIN: we secure #5 pick for Vassell

3) Draft Hayes, draft Vassell, Xavier Tillman.
4) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Juancho to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals. Xavier Tillman to 1+3 deal.

KAT(30)/Reid(10)/Tillman(8)
Barnes(28)/Juancho(15)/Vanderbilt(5)
Vassell(20)/Layman(20)/Martin(8)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/Hayes(5)
DLo(30)/Hayes(15)/JMac(3)

[shrink]

I just thought I should point out that even if an active trader like Rosas brought in a starting SG, it does not mean Malik Beasley wouldn’t be re-signed, and/or that we wouldn’t use the full MLE, even if it put us into the lux.

The key here is that the revenues lost from Covid will reduce the salary cap, and drive 2020 free agent contracts downward. Players who have been on rookie scale for their career generally seek a longterm deal that insures their financial future in case they suffer a career-ending injury. Deals in these markets are often bargains compared to other contracts in the league, and they become tradable assets. I could certainly see a guy like Rosas trying to get as many arrows in his quiver for future trades.

The disadvantage to this is minutes. In order to maintain peak trade value, Saunders would need to find enough minutes for Beasley or the MLE guy to maintain their production. Minutes at guard are already limited, with investments in Russell, JMac?, Beasley, Okogie and Culver, so adding a starting SG through trade or MLE would be difficult. Young players need minutes to develop too. Still, if Rosas thinks he can increase the talent/trade value that he has to work with, I would not dismiss the idea of adding a guard.

[Jedzz]

I just thought I should point out that even if an active trader like Rosas brought in a starting SG, it does not mean Malik Beasley wouldn’t be re-signed, and/or that we wouldn’t use the full MLE, even if it put us into the lux.

The key here is that the revenues lost from Covid will reduce the salary cap, and drive 2020 free agent contracts downward. Players who have been on rookie scale for their career generally seek a longterm deal that insures their financial future in case they suffer a career-ending injury. Deals in these markets are often bargains compared to other contracts in the league, and they become tradable assets. I could certainly see a guy like Rosas trying to get as many arrows in his quiver for future trades.

The disadvantage to this is minutes. In order to maintain peak trade value, Saunders would need to find enough minutes for Beasley or the MLE guy to maintain their production. Minutes at guard are already limited, with investments in Russell, JMac?, Beasley, Okogie and Culver, so adding a starting SG through trade or MLE would be difficult. Young players need minutes to develop too. Still, if Rosas thinks he can increase the talent/trade value that he has to work with, I would not dismiss the idea of adding a guard.

Maintaining peak trade values sounds like something a real loser team puts at the top of their priority list because those values might one day net them a better roster that no longer has to make decisions based on trade value, but instead based on winning more. Okogie and Culver can both play from bench and make room if a better guard comes in. Unless they lock down their shooting issues soon.

[minimus]

MIN IN: Caris LeVert
MIN OUT: JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16

BRO IN: Jrue Holiday
BRO OUT: Allen

NOP IN: Allen, JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16
NOP OUT: Jrue Holiday

Why for BRO: get Jrue and form superstar trio.
Why for NOP: get two talented prospects in Allen and Culver
Why for MIN: get SF who can handle the ball, score and defend

2) Draft Okongwu, Leandro Bolmaro (stash in Europe).
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Juancho to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals.

KAT(30)/Okongwu(10)/Reid(8))
Okongwu(15)/Juancho(25)/Vanderbilt(8)
LeVert(25)/Layman(20)/Martin(3)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/DLo(5)
DLo(25)/JMac(15)/LeVert(8)


Why it might work for MIN: Okongwu seems to be mobile enough to defend C/PF/SF as his physical tools seem to be in a sweet spot between big/strong and quick/mobile. He instantly adds toughness, physicality, rebounding and screens. The last is important to make our shooters more efficient in PnR. He plays rim runner, roll man role in offense and defensive-minded big in defense. He does not have NBA level offensive game, but KAT-LeVert-Beasley-DLo unit looks very promising in terms of shooting, slashing, scoring and passing, they might good enough to create easy shot opportunities for Okongwu.

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[KGdaBom]

MIN IN: Caris LeVert
MIN OUT: JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16

BRO IN: Jrue Holiday
BRO OUT: Allen

NOP IN: Allen, JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16
NOP OUT: Jrue Holiday

Why for BRO: get Jrue and form superstar trio.
Why for NOP: get two talented prospects in Allen and Culver
Why for MIN: get SF who can handle the ball, score and defend

2) Draft Okongwu, Leandro Bolmaro (stash in Europe).
3) Re-sign Beasley to 52mil/4yrs. Juancho to 15mil/3yrs. Martin and JMac to Hinkie deals.

KAT(30)/Okongwu(10)/Reid(8))
Okongwu(15)/Juancho(25)/Vanderbilt(8)
LeVert(25)/Layman(20)/Martin(3)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/DLo(5)
DLo(25)/JMac(15)/LeVert(8)


Why it might work for MIN: Okongwu seems to be mobile enough to defend C/PF/SF as his physical tools seem to be in a sweet spot between big/strong and quick/mobile. He instantly adds toughness, physicality, rebounding and screens. The last is important to make our shooters more efficient in PnR. He plays rim runner, roll man role in offense and defensive-minded big in defense. He does not have NBA level offensive game, but KAT-LeVert-Beasley-DLo unit looks very promising in terms of shooting, slashing, scoring and passing, they might good enough to create easy shot opportunities for Okongwu.

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Getting Okongwu and LeVert out of this draft is my wet dream.

[minimus]

Getting Okongwu and LeVert out of this draft is my wet dream.

In this scenario, we lock KAT, DLo, Beasley, Juancho, Okongwu, and LeVert to at least three years. They all are young, talented, and can certainly improve. I am so sick of inconsistency in terms of management and development, so I would be happy to see us going in this direction for the next three years.

[shrink]

MIN IN: Caris LeVert
MIN OUT: JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16

BRO IN: Jrue Holiday
BRO OUT: Allen

NOP IN: Allen, JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16
NOP OUT: Jrue Holiday

Why for BRO: get Jrue and form superstar trio.
Why for NOP: get two talented prospects in Allen and Culver
Why for MIN: get SF who can handle the ball, score and defend

I really like the idea of getting LeVert, and BRK is the type of all-in team that would carry three max deals to try to win a championship. LeVert plus Jarrett Allen for Jrue is expensive, but I could see it, especially since both young players will see fewer touches next season.

I don’t think NOP says yes though. Besides the problems of trying to squeeze a 1-for-6 deal under the 15 man roster limit, I would think they would prefer to keep LeVert for themselves, rather than our replacement package. I think this is the right track though for a LeVert trade, a three team deal where BRK trades LeVert to get their win-now vet. Okogie to BRK might add some incentive, if that helps grease the wheels.

EDIT: on second thought, maybe NOP is the team. Caris LeVert is 25 already, Brandon Ingram can come back at SF, and I wouldn’t blame them for starting NAW at SG. Perhaps if they wanted to build super-young around Zion. It may depend on whether they see promise in Culver. He was one of the worst shooters in the league, but he has tools and he’s young.

[Norseman79]

No interest in Levert. Unless we are moving on from Beasley, but that would be a downgrade in my opinion. Levert is best suited to SG.

[KGdaBom]

No interest in Levert. Unless we are moving on from Beasley, but that would be a downgrade in my opinion. Levert is best suited to SG.

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

[Jedzz]

No interest in Levert. Unless we are moving on from Beasley, but that would be a downgrade in my opinion. Levert is best suited to SG.

No interest from me either unless he was capable of replacing Okogie's/Culver's minutes at SF we saw this year. Still wouldn't trust that injury history at this point - had significant issues in college and pros already. Simple strains on this team are possible season enders. He's definitely not been the shooter Malik Beasley has at SG. Starting an extension of 3/52 in 20/21 at 17.5/season. Not sure how anyone throws 17.5/season at that injury history. That would really hurt to see him leave a season in early December and not come back at that price. Not such a big deal when he was only getting 1.7.

[Norseman79]

No interest in Levert. Unless we are moving on from Beasley, but that would be a downgrade in my opinion. Levert is best suited to SG.

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

[Jedzz]

No interest in Levert. Unless we are moving on from Beasley, but that would be a downgrade in my opinion. Levert is best suited to SG.

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

It is a form of baiting spam. There is no substance to elaborate on it. He's just getting you to respond with such things. I've fell for it too many times but I'm a sucker for anyone that wants to discuss Wolves. So he and others have it easy baiting me. Demand better bait.

[old school 34]

MIN IN: Caris LeVert
MIN OUT: JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16

BRO IN: Jrue Holiday
BRO OUT: Allen

NOP IN: Allen, JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16
NOP OUT: Jrue Holiday

Why for BRO: get Jrue and form superstar trio.
Why for NOP: get two talented prospects in Allen and Culver
Why for MIN: get SF who can handle the ball, score and defend

I really like the idea of getting LeVert, and BRK is the type of all-in team that would carry three max deals to try to win a championship. LeVert plus Jarrett Allen for Jrue is expensive, but I could see it, especially since both young players will see fewer touches next season.

I don’t think NOP says yes though. Besides the problems of trying to squeeze a 1-for-6 deal under the 15 man roster limit, I would think they would prefer to keep LeVert for themselves, rather than our replacement package. I think this is the right track though for a LeVert trade, a three team deal where BRK trades LeVert to get their win-now vet. Okogie to BRK might add some incentive, if that helps grease the wheels.

EDIT: on second thought, maybe NOP is the team. Caris LeVert is 25 already, Brandon Ingram can come back at SF, and I wouldn’t blame them for starting NAW at SG. Perhaps if they wanted to build super-young around Zion. It may depend on whether they see promise in Culver. He was one of the worst shooters in the league, but he has tools and he’s young.

Mild interest in LeVert....really liked him as a sleeper when he was coming out in draft...but injuries have held him back throughout pro & college runs so far. Besides injuries...I keep struggling finding the right trade that makes sense on both ends & I worry if he's our 3...our rebounding issues could really be problematic?

If we think Okongwu is really kind of our guy (which would mean we're comfortable with him being a switchable 4 that his outside shot will continue to develop)...then with some lottery luck (I know not something we get often) but say stay top 2-3....could we flip that to any of Char/Phx/Atl/Det....whichever landed say in the sweet spot to draft Onkongwu (guessing 4-6 to be safe?)...swap FRP's & filler (Evans/Spellman/etc) for their starting 3 on rookie deal (Bridges/Bridges/Reddish/Sekou respectively). May not be home run, but still really continues to get us significantly closer & keeps JJ & 16 in our pocket for yet another move @ draft or JJ & other rooks for something bigger @ trade deadline? While all 4 of those teams value those guys....they probably can be convinced to give them up for Ball or Edwards @ the top? And for us....I'm good with Okongwu (again assuming that they feel he can be more big wing in there system than small ball C or traditional 4) & pick your 3 there from any of those teams (all flawed to some degree but good relative fits with current roster).

Thoughts?

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[Norseman79]

MIN IN: Caris LeVert
MIN OUT: JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16

BRO IN: Jrue Holiday
BRO OUT: Allen

NOP IN: Allen, JJ, Culver, Spellman, Evans, #16
NOP OUT: Jrue Holiday

Why for BRO: get Jrue and form superstar trio.
Why for NOP: get two talented prospects in Allen and Culver
Why for MIN: get SF who can handle the ball, score and defend

I really like the idea of getting LeVert, and BRK is the type of all-in team that would carry three max deals to try to win a championship. LeVert plus Jarrett Allen for Jrue is expensive, but I could see it, especially since both young players will see fewer touches next season.

I don’t think NOP says yes though. Besides the problems of trying to squeeze a 1-for-6 deal under the 15 man roster limit, I would think they would prefer to keep LeVert for themselves, rather than our replacement package. I think this is the right track though for a LeVert trade, a three team deal where BRK trades LeVert to get their win-now vet. Okogie to BRK might add some incentive, if that helps grease the wheels.

EDIT: on second thought, maybe NOP is the team. Caris LeVert is 25 already, Brandon Ingram can come back at SF, and I wouldn’t blame them for starting NAW at SG. Perhaps if they wanted to build super-young around Zion. It may depend on whether they see promise in Culver. He was one of the worst shooters in the league, but he has tools and he’s young.

Mild interest in LeVert....really liked him as a sleeper when he was coming out in draft...but injuries have held him back throughout pro & college runs so far. Besides injuries...I keep struggling finding the right trade that makes sense on both ends & I worry if he's our 3...our rebounding issues could really be problematic?

If we think Okongwu is really kind of our guy (which would mean we're comfortable with him being a switchable 4 that his outside shot will continue to develop)...then with some lottery luck (I know not something we get often) but say stay top 2-3....could we flip that to any of Char/Phx/Atl/Det....whichever landed say in the sweet spot to draft Onkongwu (guessing 4-6 to be safe?)...swap FRP's & filler (Evans/Spellman/etc) for their starting 3 on rookie deal (Bridges/Bridges/Reddish/Sekou respectively). May not be home run, but still really continues to get us significantly closer & keeps JJ & 16 in our pocket for yet another move @ draft or JJ & other rooks for something bigger @ trade deadline? While all 4 of those teams value those guys....they probably can be convinced to give them up for Ball or Edwards @ the top? And for us....I'm good with Okongwu (again assuming that they feel he can be more big wing in there system than small ball C or traditional 4) & pick your 3 there from any of those teams (all flawed to some degree but good relative fits with current roster).

Thoughts?

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If it would work out that way I would be totally ok with it. As in Atlanta lands at 5 and wants Wiseman bad enough to offer the 5 and Reddish for him. Heck yeah. Or any of the other players mentioned. Obviously I would push hardest for the Booker trade if we landed one overall, but any of what you said, while swapping picks is a win.

[KGdaBom]

No interest in Levert. Unless we are moving on from Beasley, but that would be a downgrade in my opinion. Levert is best suited to SG.

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

The only thing Beasley is probably better at is 3 point shooting (small sample). LeVert is a better slasher/scorer/ballhandler/passer/rebounder and defender. Easily a better player. Factor in Age and health and we may be better off with Bees, but when on the court playing there is no contest.

LeVert is also 2 inches taller and 18 pounds bigger.

[KGdaBom]

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

It is a form of baiting spam. There is no substance to elaborate on it. He's just getting you to respond with such things. I've fell for it too many times but I'm a sucker for anyone that wants to discuss Wolves. So he and others have it easy baiting me. Demand better bait.

Jedzz your pathetic attempt to discredit me is a reflection on yourself. I answered him nicely and concisely.