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Takingbaconback wrote:What would the wolves do with the first pick? Just trade down for #2 and trade down again for #3 and take Bender or whoever is left out of the top 3?
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I would like to see him use his length a lot more than this. Andrew Bynum came in raw also but became the best big man at keeping the ball high after a couple years. Hopefully Bender can do the same and establish some space for himself. Also why is he always on the perimeter, get his butt inside the paint.
ace625214 wrote:Takingbaconback wrote:[youtube]Spoiler:
I would like to see him use his length a lot more than this. Andrew Bynum came in raw also but became the best big man at keeping the ball high after a couple years. Hopefully Bender can do the same and establish some space for himself. Also why is he always on the perimeter, get his butt inside the paint.
Because he's athletic, can shoot, and is super skinny. This isn't 1985 where everyone over 6'6" is banished to the paint.
Dleavitt24 wrote:Part of the reason is all the banging and contact inside can wear a player out, potential cause injuries and maybe even lower confidence if forced to do what is not natural to them ( in high volume) *see labissiere in Kentucky.
ace625214 wrote:Except he would be. Euroleague centers are often big, brutish guys. It wouldn't be productive developmentally or competitively to tell him to go bang in the paint all game. He can pass, defend, and score from the wing while presenting big mismatches. Not many people can do that. Playing outside-in is fine for him right now. Ask yourself, why is Bender a projected Top-3 pick and the more traditional big men from Europe aren't? It's because a 7-footer that plays like a wing is more valuable.
Were you angry at the SuperSonics when they didn't tell Durant to work on his post game for his first few years? After all, a tall guy like that should work on his post game so he can play inside-out.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Takingbaconback wrote:ace625214 wrote:Except he would be. Euroleague centers are often big, brutish guys. It wouldn't be productive developmentally or competitively to tell him to go bang in the paint all game. He can pass, defend, and score from the wing while presenting big mismatches. Not many people can do that. Playing outside-in is fine for him right now. Ask yourself, why is Bender a projected Top-3 pick and the more traditional big men from Europe aren't? It's because a 7-footer that plays like a wing is more valuable.
Were you angry at the SuperSonics when they didn't tell Durant to work on his post game for his first few years? After all, a tall guy like that should work on his post game so he can play inside-out.
If Durant was a 7 footer, yes I would be upset they weren't using him closer to the paint but obviously he's a SF/PF. I was upset with K Love started jacking up all these 3s and not getting his butt in the paint, I felt the same way about Porzingis when all these people thought he was a PF when he got drafted. To a certain extent, I felt even KG didnt maximize his offense by not getting the ball closer to the rim more often.
I'm not against Bender shooting perimeter shots but to me a true 7+ footer has to establish himself inside. I don't care how skinny he is, this is basketball. When used correctly, length beats strength. European big men may be "brutish" but they are not as big as NBA big men, Bender with his length should be able to combat them with technique and experience.
And that's the point, he needs more experience down low. Of course he's going to be getting stripped and looking out of balance inside if he doesn't play enough in the paint like the couple times in the video. Idk what you envision for him if he is on the wolves, but to me he has to know how to score inside first before the perimeter shots. A 7 footer in my book has to be able to press his advantage inside because that's a much higher percentage shot.
Klomp wrote:It's about getting an advantage on your opponent. Bender's advantage is to pull the slower-footed bigs out to the perimeter, where he can shoot or drive. He doesn't have an advantage in the paint on these guys.
NewWolvesOrder wrote:gotta love the stereotyping...
ace625214 wrote:Takingbaconback wrote:ace625214 wrote:Except he would be. Euroleague centers are often big, brutish guys. It wouldn't be productive developmentally or competitively to tell him to go bang in the paint all game. He can pass, defend, and score from the wing while presenting big mismatches. Not many people can do that. Playing outside-in is fine for him right now. Ask yourself, why is Bender a projected Top-3 pick and the more traditional big men from Europe aren't? It's because a 7-footer that plays like a wing is more valuable.
Were you angry at the SuperSonics when they didn't tell Durant to work on his post game for his first few years? After all, a tall guy like that should work on his post game so he can play inside-out.
If Durant was a 7 footer, yes I would be upset they weren't using him closer to the paint but obviously he's a SF/PF. I was upset with K Love started jacking up all these 3s and not getting his butt in the paint, I felt the same way about Porzingis when all these people thought he was a PF when he got drafted. To a certain extent, I felt even KG didnt maximize his offense by not getting the ball closer to the rim more often.
I'm not against Bender shooting perimeter shots but to me a true 7+ footer has to establish himself inside. I don't care how skinny he is, this is basketball. When used correctly, length beats strength. European big men may be "brutish" but they are not as big as NBA big men, Bender with his length should be able to combat them with technique and experience.
And that's the point, he needs more experience down low. Of course he's going to be getting stripped and looking out of balance inside if he doesn't play enough in the paint like the couple times in the video. Idk what you envision for him if he is on the wolves, but to me he has to know how to score inside first before the perimeter shots. A 7 footer in my book has to be able to press his advantage inside because that's a much higher percentage shot.
He'd be a rangy defender who can switch on anyone and protect the rim, provide a bunch of spacing, and take on some secondary playmaking duties via drive and kicks off pump fakes. So I guess Nic Batum in his Blazers years with the addition of rim protection. Or 2-years-ago Ibaka plus ball-handling and passing.
Wiggins likes to post up, as do Towns and Bazz. If Pek is healthy that's where he operates. We don't need a big PF to clog the lane on offense. We need one that can get rebounds, defend, and knock down open 3s.
Edit: Adams plays center and is listed at 7'0". Durant plays SF and is widely known to be underlisted at 6'9". Their difference isn't height, it's athleticism, build, and skill.
Takingbaconback wrote:NewWolvesOrder wrote:gotta love the stereotyping...
Name me a center that would have same athleticism and length advantage over Bender in his league. You can't.
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