Trade Ideas thread

[Elrod is Back]

I come in peace as a Cs fan.

The Celtics are overloaded in the backcourt and will possibly have to move either Bradley or Smart this off-season. (They have Thomas, Brown and Rozier, plus a decent shot at Fultz or Ball in the draft.) It seems like both would have value to the Wolves. Especially Bradley: Killer D, intangibles off the chart, a very good 3 point shooter who does not need to handle the ball much, and only 26 years old with 7 years NBA experience. Someone who can complement your stars and provide leadership.

Ainge and Thibs are close, and I suspect Thibs is dying for a player like Bradley (or Smart, for that matter). The Wolves have their superstars, what they need now are first-rate complementary parts, all-NBA defenders and veteran leadership. Keep an eye on this. Not sure what the Wolves could/would offer in return, but I would not be surprised if negotiations occur.

My understanding says Bradley (and Smart) and primarily SGs which is the last position the Wolves need help at with Wiggins, LaVine, and probably now Dunn all looking like better players at the 2.

If you have a good 3/4 we can use then there could be some discussion. Crowder perhaps? Not sure how the values balance out but that might be closer for what the Wolves needs are.

I mistakenly thought Wiggins covered the 3 for you guys. Yeah, Thibodeaux would chop off two fingers for Crowder. Exactly his sort of player, times ten.

[Mattya]

The Wolves already have Rubio, Dunn, Tyus at point guard and Wiggins and LaVine who should eat up all the minutes at shooting guard. I see no fit with the Celtics players on this roster.

[Krapinsky]

I come in peace as a Cs fan.

The Celtics are overloaded in the backcourt and will possibly have to move either Bradley or Smart this off-season. (They have Thomas, Brown and Rozier, plus a decent shot at Fultz or Ball in the draft.) It seems like both would have value to the Wolves. Especially Bradley: Killer D, intangibles off the chart, a very good 3 point shooter who does not need to handle the ball much, and only 26 years old with 7 years NBA experience. Someone who can complement your stars and provide leadership.

Ainge and Thibs are close, and I suspect Thibs is dying for a player like Bradley (or Smart, for that matter). The Wolves have their superstars, what they need now are first-rate complementary parts, all-NBA defenders and veteran leadership. Keep an eye on this. Not sure what the Wolves could/would offer in return, but I would not be surprised if negotiations occur.

PS-- I suspect Danny woudl be less likely to trade Smart, even though to fans outside of Boston he probably seems of less value than Bradley. People who watch Smart regularly tend to have an extremely high opinion of him. That includes Brad Stevens.

I think we already have our version of Marcus Smart in Kris Dunn. The Wolves could really use someone like Crowder.

[jscott]

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I would also strongly consider trading this pick for a younger, win-now starter.

Thanks for compiling that.

I agree. I am more in the "trade for a win-now piece" camp. Definitely depends on who is available in trade and how the impacts potential FA needs.

Personally I don't have anyone in mind who is the right position, age range, not highly overpaid, still under contract/not already a FA, and potentially available for trade from their team. Feels like there are a lot of criteria to hit. Don't want to settle for a Miller/Foye offer especially in a deeper draft.

Not sure there is a way to be 100% happy with asset allocation this offseason.

[Klomp]

Crowder would be the top guy for Thibs to target from Boston

[JDthrillinger]

Dieng, Dunn, & pick #6 for Andre Drummond & Stanley Johnson.

I don't love Drummond but just throwing out ideas. I was exploring the idea of sliding KAT to PF & getting an elite rim protecting/defensive big. There aren't many options in that regard but think Drummond can be had. If Thibodeau can motivate him he could be a monster for us. Then bring a stretch PF off the bench, hopefully someone more reliable than Bjelly.

[Biggsohnasty]

Not sure if it's true but I've seen people speculate that the Blazers may need to get rid of one of their many bad contracts (Crabbe/Turner/Leonard etc) to get out of cap hell and to do so, they may have to attach one of their 3 late 1st round picks to it.

Would taking Crabbe and a pick (say 22-26) be worth it? He's due 18 mil per year over the next 3 seasons.

I think that's the kind of thing the Wolves ought to look into. The going rate for a good "3 and D" wing is going to be in that 14-18 million range and guys like PJ Tucker probably won't come here because contenders always want those guys. Crabbe is only 25 and could continue developing. You get another shot at the dartboard so to speak with a later 1st to take your shot at finding the next Jimmy Butler/Jae Crowder/*Insert good player*

I know a lot of people are allergic to the idea of overpaying or having a bad contract. It's inevitable that the team will have contracts people don't like. Is a guy like Crabbe (25 yrs old, 40 percent 3 pt shooter) someone who we could live with having on the books?

[breatnach]

I know a lot of people are allergic to the idea of overpaying or having a bad contract. It's inevitable that the team will have contracts people don't like. Is a guy like Crabbe (25 yrs old, 40 percent 3 pt shooter) someone who we could live with having on the books?

Isn't Crabbe a combo guard (PG/SG)? I think we need someone who can play SF, like Batum, Crowder or Middleton. PG and SG are our deepest positions (Rubio, Dunn, Jones, Wiggins, LaVine).

I don't mind the value, but I don't think it's a good fit.

[minimus]

Not sure if it's true but I've seen people speculate that the Blazers may need to get rid of one of their many bad contracts (Crabbe/Turner/Leonard etc) to get out of cap hell and to do so, they may have to attach one of their 3 late 1st round picks to it.

Would taking Crabbe and a pick (say 22-26) be worth it? He's due 18 mil per year over the next 3 seasons.

I would do this if it can help us to get one of high potential prospects (e.g. OG/Hartenstein)

[Biggsohnasty]

Crabbe is 6'6 210 - he's basically got the prototype NBA wing size. I'm not sure how regarded he is as a defender. But he's a sniper. And he's 26.

[rugbyrugger23]

So this is what I got so far:

Win Pick 1: Draft Fultz.

A. Trade Tyus for late 1st, 2 seconds, or use as a bonus in a larger trade.
B. Keep Dunn to see if he can regain value off the bench - at a minimum he's a defensive specialist that compliments LaVine.
C. Keep Rubio to start and check again on Fultz-Dunn progress at trade deadline. However, if MIN can get the value of a late 1st (DAL, CHI plus), trade Rubio to get that value to bring in a good vet at another position, and sign a short-term vet PG to be a placeholder for Fultz. The market for PG's will fall as it becomes flooded.

Win Pick 2: Draft Ball and Trade him for help at another position. Keep Rubio, Dunn, Tyus

FWIW, Chad Ford lists three lottery teams that could pick Ball even over Fultz! LAL, NYK and PHX are teams that can use a new star, so we could get max trade value. If any of those teams get the #3, I'd trade them Ball for #3 and a future, Top-8 protected 1st. To have leverage, you need to have deals in place with all three, or they dare you to pick Ball at #2. If they don't get the #3 ...

A. Lakers - Ingram plus.
B. Knicks - Porzingas for Ball + Tyus

Ball has two big advantages over their stars. First, he is enough of a show, that losing their current star could be accepted by ticket-buying fans. Second, Ball is starting his first year of rookie scale. Porzingas for example, will be starting year 3, and may want out.

C. Suns - ummmm?? They better have the #4 and assets? They might have to move Bledsoe (maybe in a three-teamer?) to make room

Win Pick #3: Hopefully that means Josh Jackson, and no PG problems

Get Pick #6-#7: Avoid the PG's, and choose someone who fits better. Right now (late April), i think there are several comparable players in the 4-7 tier. I still like the idea of drafting for upside (and I like Fox and Smith for that), but I think their chances of becoming stars is lower.

I would also strongly consider trading this pick for a younger, win-now starter.

If Wolves win #1 or #2, I am fielding all trade offers. I agree with the ones you laid out. Adding...

Simmons. Offer Philly the ability with Wolves 1 or 2 to go more traditional PGOF and unclog forward position, while drafting SFOF with own pick. Wolves take Simmons into their wide open forward slot, and as point forward perfect with Dunn-LaVine-Wiggins. Rubio then gets traded for best defensive PF/SF type.
C: Towns
F: Simmons
F: Wiggins
G: LaVine
G: Dunn
Off bench is defensive PF/SF type (from Rubio trade)--Wiggins and LaVine stagger minutes at SG.

[rugbyrugger23]

What about Wiggins + #6 for Simmons + Covington?

Philly, drafts some combination of more traditional PGOF and SFOF. If their pick is 1 or 2, Fultz or Ball and go SFOF with #6--Tatum or Isaac. If their pick is 3 or 4 go Tatum or Issac and with #6 best guard on board.
C: Embiid | Oak
F: Saric | Holmes
F: SFOF | Wiggins
G: Wiggins | TLC
G: PGOF

Wolves slide Simmons into either F spot and Covington into other. Rubio gets traded for defensive PF/SF of the future who would push Covington for starting role and minutes or stretch 4 who would push Bjelica for role and minutes.
C: Towns | Dieng
F: Simmons | Bjelica
F: Covington | Defensive PF/SF from Rubio Trade
G: LaVine | Dunn | Vet SG/PG Type
G: Dunn | Jones

[minimus]

What about Wiggins + #6 for Simmons + Covington?

Paring KAT and Simmons sounds very interesting to me. That's top level duo that is better suited for modern NBA, better than AD-DMC combo. I dont know if Simmons inability to stay healthy can be explained by tanking mode. Has he improved his jumper?

[Crazy-Canuck]

What about Wiggins + #6 for Simmons + Covington?

Paring KAT and Simmons sounds very interesting to me. That's top level duo that is better suited for modern NBA, better than AD-DMC combo. I dont know if Simmons inability to stay healthy can be explained by tanking mode. Has he improved his jumper?

Kat and dieng were a bad defensive pairing this year.

Kat and Simmons would make them look like Duncan and the admiral.

If the goal is to unload Wiggins to give lavine the spotlight, then a youngish vet big that can defend should be the return. Not another unproven kid.

[Worm Guts]

I don't have any interest in trading Wiggins for Simmons, Simmons has his own issues. In general, I think you want to pair KAT with perimeter players. If you can, I think you try to avoid having bigs as your top 2 franchise players.

[rugbyrugger23]

What about Wiggins + #6 for Simmons + Covington?

Paring KAT and Simmons sounds very interesting to me. That's top level duo that is better suited for modern NBA, better than AD-DMC combo. I dont know if Simmons inability to stay healthy can be explained by tanking mode. Has he improved his jumper?

Kat and dieng were a bad defensive pairing this year.

Kat and Simmons would make them look like Duncan and the admiral.

If the goal is to unload Wiggins to give lavine the spotlight, then a youngish vet big that can defend should be the return. Not another unproven kid.

I would disagree. And if you read my post, Simmons can play either F spot and Covington other AND trade Rubio for a defensive PF/SF type. Why does Simmons have to planted at PF next to Towns and be expected to be his defensive side kick? I think you are thinking to shallow on this.

In the trade I laid out, ideally Simmons and Kat both have a defensive player next to them and one available off the bench. But I also welcome the other team trying to match up against Wolves. How is a traditional big from PF or C going to D up either Simmons or Towns? This duo would press the hand of opposing teams.

Plus, I will take my chances these 21/22/23yos all learn better defense from Thibs in a nice upward trajectory. Each and every year, little better than last.

[Worm Guts]

Why do you prefer Simmons over Wiggins?

[moss_is_1]

Crabbe is 6'6 210 - he's basically got the prototype NBA wing size. I'm not sure how regarded he is as a defender. But he's a sniper. And he's 26.

Just way too overpaid for him to play 20 minutes a night for us.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I do not understand certain speeches: do not we reach the play off from eternity and still worry about how good players pay? Honestly if the player is strong and is functional to our game to me it does not matter anything to pay even more than it really is its value

[rugbyrugger23]

Why do you prefer Simmons over Wiggins?

I don't necessarily, in a vacuum prefer him over Wiggins. Really a thread in itself value stacking them in a vacuum.

What I have as utmost importance for me in basketball is the sum of the roster. The role of the players. The fit of the core. WAY WAY more important than the value of individual talents. More so in NBA, where outside of the outlier superstars (not every team can have LBJ), sooooo many teams of talented players flame out when they are not a cohesive team.

So for this specific example, I prefer what Simmons can deliver to Wolves roster vs. Wiggins. He both solves either forward position slot, and ball handling duties...while allowing Dunn and LaVine to be ball-in-hand players (putting them in best position to succeed) BUT not offense initiating guards. Followed by trade, use Rubio to acquire a defensive specialist at PF/SF, and roster would be set for like 10 years.

And if Wolves secure top 2 spot, I would explore trade for Porzingis first, followed by Simmons. And if they can keep Wiggins to go with either player, all the better.