The search for a new coach results in Ryan Saunders (pg 11)

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[Jedzz]

Well it is a "players" league, so I would say keeping your star player happy has to be a priority. Like it or not.
Also, Thibs and Adelman had qualifications. How did that work?

Thibs did well.

Actually Thibs did excellent job, making everybody, literally everybody happy. In locker room, in MIN organization, in social media.

Your sarcasm is lost on me. He dragged a bunch of perennial losers and perennial losing accepting fans to the playoffs. Sure, he was an absolute idiot to agree with the owner on signing Wiggins to the max, and before that Dieng to his lofty deal. But I can guarantee most of those throwing around sarcastic snobbish comments now were actually part of the mob telling everyone that those deals were absolutely fine at the time, and probably were in some way part of the pressure Thibs felt to agree to sign them. That's the part that Ts me off every time they snicker now. I was stomping my feet at the thought of these things and every person I spoke to was shushing and placating me about how great he will become and how we would rue the day we let him get away.

It sucks that Wiggins wasn't righteously lowballed and forced to seek out idiots to pay him more elsewhere or end up signing here for a normal deal for a young undeveloped player. If not for that, Jimmy would have stayed and been paid and been a consumate leader here. Instead we dragged out his inner drama queen and made everyone involved look worse for it, blew up the teams plans and now we are back talking about longterm development towards some pie in the sky perfect year down the road. As per usual. Bring on the next 15 year drought.

[PharmD]

lol defending Thibs. I know people that work for the Timberwolves org and Thibs was like a cartoon version of the world's worst boss.

[minimus]

Thibs did well.

Actually Thibs did excellent job, making everybody, literally everybody happy. In locker room, in MIN organization, in social media.

Your sarcasm is lost on me. He dragged a bunch of perennial losers and perennial losing accepting fans to the playoffs. Sure, he was an absolute idiot to agree with the owner on signing Wiggins to the max, and before that Dieng to his lofty deal. But I can guarantee most of those throwing around sarcastic snobbish comments now were actually part of the mob telling everyone that those deals were absolutely fine at the time, and probably were in some way part of the pressure Thibs felt to agree to sign them. That's the part that Ts me off every time they snicker now. I was stomping my feet at the thought of these things and every person I spoke to was shushing and placating me about how great he will become and how we would rue the day we let him get away.

It sucks that Wiggins wasn't righteously lowballed and forced to seek out idiots to pay him more elsewhere or end up signing here for a normal deal for a young undeveloped player. If not for that, Jimmy would have stayed and been paid and been a consumate leader here. Instead we dragged out his inner drama queen and made everyone involved look worse for it, blew up the teams plans and now we are back talking about longterm development towards some pie in the sky perfect year down the road. As per usual. Bring on the next 15 year drought.

Can't. Stop. Laughing.

Thibs reckless management style is the first reason why we ended up with awfully balanced roster now. I am sure that Rosas could put these type of deals that Thibs did to save his job "under pressure". The difference is clear to me. Then about Butler. Are you sure that Jimmy left because of Wiggins and money and not Thibs? Why Butler asked to be traded from PHI then? KAT said in his last interview about "slap in face" people management under Thibs. Thibs risks as basketball leader and manager were clear for everyone, yet some CHI fans pictured him as victim in CHI. Unfortunately, Thibs is what he is, he had every single chance and opportunity here, but he can blame now only himself. Not fans, not Glen, not KAT, not Wiggins, not Butler.

[KGdaBom]

lol defending Thibs. I know people that work for the Timberwolves org and Thibs was like a cartoon version of the world's worst boss.

Thibs made some good moves and some bad moves. If Butler doesn't become an idiot we had something. I still blame Wiggins on Taylor.

[alabamawolf]

anyone that thinks there was a possibility of Jimmy staying here long-term is kidding themselves. He left a title contender for a team that won't make it out of the 1st round. It was never about winning for him.

[minimus]

lol defending Thibs. I know people that work for the Timberwolves org and Thibs was like a cartoon version of the world's worst boss.

Thibs made some good moves and some bad moves. If Butler doesn't become an idiot we had something. I still blame Wiggins on Taylor.

Rosas quietly does all opposite things as GM than Thibs, but you somehow still blame Glen for GM work.

[KGdaBom]

anyone that thinks there was a possibility of Jimmy staying here long-term is kidding themselves. He left a title contender for a team that won't make it out of the 1st round. It was never about winning for him.

What was it about. He turned down more money from Philly to go to Miami. I don't think he is a big night life guy so I don't think it was south beach.

[alabamawolf]

anyone that thinks there was a possibility of Jimmy staying here long-term is kidding themselves. He left a title contender for a team that won't make it out of the 1st round. It was never about winning for him.

What was it about. He turned down more money from Philly to go to Miami. I don't think he is a big night life guy so I don't think it was south beach.

It was lifestyle or being the #1 player on a team. I lean towards overall lifestyle of Miami

[Grubie024]

anyone that thinks there was a possibility of Jimmy staying here long-term is kidding themselves. He left a title contender for a team that won't make it out of the 1st round. It was never about winning for him.

What was it about. He turned down more money from Philly to go to Miami. I don't think he is a big night life guy so I don't think it was south beach.

It was lifestyle or being the #1 player on a team. I lean towards overall lifestyle of Miami

I'd say it's probably those two things. He's clearly an egomaniac.

Regarding Saunders though, I'm worried he and KAT are the only bright spots this year. I think those two will be a great duo, like Flip and KG.

[Jedzz]

What was it about. He turned down more money from Philly to go to Miami. I don't think he is a big night life guy so I don't think it was south beach.

It was lifestyle or being the #1 player on a team. I lean towards overall lifestyle of Miami

I'd say it's probably those two things. He's clearly an egomaniac.

Regarding Saunders though, I'm worried he and KAT are the only bright spots this year. I think those two will be a great duo, like Flip and KG.

He's probably just looking for a place that openly shows him the respect he feels he deserves. A team that respects what he does. He was obviously way better than a #30 pick. Maybe he never got over that and the hard work alone wasn't earning him the respect he thinks he's earned. He obviously does have egomaniac traits. But he's worked for it. He isn't the first good player to get a raw deal start and have to watch a bunch of kumquats get paid before and more than him. At some point he probably just decided to start doing what made him happy and to hell with everyone else stepping on his shoulders.

[KGdaBom]

What was it about. He turned down more money from Philly to go to Miami. I don't think he is a big night life guy so I don't think it was south beach.

It was lifestyle or being the #1 player on a team. I lean towards overall lifestyle of Miami

I'd say it's probably those two things. He's clearly an egomaniac.

Regarding Saunders though, I'm worried he and KAT are the only bright spots this year. I think those two will be a great duo, like Flip and KG.

Saunders is extremely far from being a bright spot. Much closer to a dark spot.

[TheProdigy]

It was lifestyle or being the #1 player on a team. I lean towards overall lifestyle of Miami

I'd say it's probably those two things. He's clearly an egomaniac.

Regarding Saunders though, I'm worried he and KAT are the only bright spots this year. I think those two will be a great duo, like Flip and KG.

Saunders is extremely far from being a bright spot. Much closer to a dark spot.

[KGdaBom]

I'd say it's probably those two things. He's clearly an egomaniac.

Regarding Saunders though, I'm worried he and KAT are the only bright spots this year. I think those two will be a great duo, like Flip and KG.

Saunders is extremely far from being a bright spot. Much closer to a dark spot.

Does his incredible record as interim coach make you brim with confidence or is it his many years experience as a low level assistant coach on losing teams float your boat?

[TheProdigy]

Saunders is extremely far from being a bright spot. Much closer to a dark spot.

Does his incredible record as interim coach make you brim with confidence or is it his many years experience as a low level assistant coach on losing teams float your boat?

I don't have much confidence one way or the other. Maybe he is a prodigy, maybe he will flop, I don't know. But to say "he's a dark spot" is an absurd thing to say unless you have inside access to the Wolves' operations. Let's give him a season with a healthy roster before we jump to any conclusions.

[KGdaBom]

Does his incredible record as interim coach make you brim with confidence or is it his many years experience as a low level assistant coach on losing teams float your boat?

I don't have much confidence one way or the other. Maybe he is a prodigy, maybe he will flop, I don't know. But to say "he's a dark spot" is an absurd thing to say unless you have inside access to the Wolves' operations. Let's give him a season with a healthy roster before we jump to any conclusions.

I think his record speaks for him. I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[Worm Guts]

Does his incredible record as interim coach make you brim with confidence or is it his many years experience as a low level assistant coach on losing teams float your boat?

I don't have much confidence one way or the other. Maybe he is a prodigy, maybe he will flop, I don't know. But to say "he's a dark spot" is an absurd thing to say unless you have inside access to the Wolves' operations. Let's give him a season with a healthy roster before we jump to any conclusions.

I think his record speaks for him. I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I have a hard time seeing his record as specifically good or bad given the context.

[Jedzz]

lol defending Thibs. I know people that work for the Timberwolves org and Thibs was like a cartoon version of the world's worst boss.

@ defending people that worked for the Timberwolves org all these years.

If the worst thing people had to deal with in order to bring winning here was an ornery secretive boss, then so be it already. Anything but the pansy organization that has been fine being a perrenial loser for almost its entire existence. My own is no dream situation either. Deal with it like most in this life end up doing. But their one and only goal as a franchise was and is to win more games. Not to play Game of Thrones or turn their franchise into a soap opera. Thibs did end up winning like the 14 years of people before him could not. Is he perfect? Easy answer is No. Was he better at it than many before him? Yes.

100% no doubt in my mind that most of the losers that were retained from previous times before Thibs ultimately had a big part in destroying his time there with constant backstabbing him and not getting on board. From the front office people to the couple of assistant hold overs that worked with the players daily, and seeing the players not buying into Thibs way. You know damn well they all sat around doing what they always did and snickered when he left the room. Go figure, one of those assistants is left to pick up the pieces as HC when the big bad man is sent packing and all the assets he brought in are thrown away. Have you never seen this kind of thing happen before? It wasn't all real, or at least all created by Thibs. Half of it was created by those that refused to continue to work under Thibs. Your buddies PharmD.

Here is the great amusing part about all this. 1,000 people around the organization and the state wanting nothing more then to prop up the idea of Ryan Saunders taking over and getting Thibs out. Those early whispers started Thibs first year until they became a roar. They only needed to build it to a tipping point and wait for one screwup. Those same people, or people much like them for their own reasons, are already starting to publicly talk about replacing Ryan with one of Rosas' newly inputted names. Don't even try to tell me you haven't heard or read at least one thing already. On to the next coup d'é·tat and the next forever of beating ourselves.

This isn't the first Wolves team to have this issue. This isn't the first Minnesota sports team doing this, or any city/state's sport team doing this. The examples are everywhere and it almost always leads to constant losing or middling results over long periods of time. I know the owners somewhat understand this. It is why, for example, when Thibs was hired that both Glen and Thibs talked about a longterm plan. They repeatedly said the word Longterm like 20 times in public statements for a reason. They were trying to get everyone to understand that they need to buy into all the next steps of this new singular person's plans, without just firing all the jackasses immediately that might not, and ultimately did not. It would have been easier and cleaner if they just jettisoned all those previous Timberwolves "org" guys and created a new "org". Obviously the owner didn't want to do such a thing. But you see the results, you see how many did not buy in. You see how many are not willing to actually do what is necessary to bring and maintain winning here. For your example PharmD, you know people within more concerned with having their working environment their way than winning. They couldn't just start to enjoy winning his way and allowing what comes with more consistent winning. More consistent winning would have made Thibs a better human being to be around. But that was going to have to come after the period where he was the bad guy straightening out a losing franchise. They just couldn't buy in long enough. I'll admit they should never have given Thibs both jobs on the way in. Maybe he wouldn't take less at the time. I think he would have been a better GM/Pres only, who was then able to allow a coach to do his bidding.

[Guardian]

I mean, it seems as if the players are going out of their way to praise him so that's obviously a good thing. Whether that translates into wins and losses remains to be seen. I think we need an 82 game sample size after a training camp to begin to draw conclusions.

If not Saunders who right now? It's a low risk-high reward hire given where we are at the moment.

[Jedzz]

I mean, it seems as if the players are going out of their way to praise him so that's obviously a good thing. Whether that translates into wins and losses remains to be seen. I think we need an 82 game sample size after a training camp to begin to draw conclusions.

If not Saunders who right now? It's a low risk-high reward hire given where we are at the moment.

The risk of canning yet another coach is continuing to pay two head coaches that are no longer here. I don't know if Ryan was giving multiple year deal or not, but Glen will be paying Thibs for a while yet. I'm guessing that Ryan is set up financially for many of his years to come with or without a coaching job. So I'm of the cold hearted put up or get out mindset myself without feelins. However I don't like seeing the team constantly having to retool itself around new coaches all the time.