ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

[SportsGuy8]

A big question now is, how "desperate" is Joventut. They won't be in the Euroleague in the upcoming season, so you have to wonder what's the best for them. Having Rubio for 2 years, or getting like 4 million $. (also, we shall not forget that now also the Spanish "IRS" supposedly has a say in it)
There's close to zero chance they'll be able to get the whole buy-out number, not even close to it.

Anyway, Rubio dropping to 5th pick makes everything all that more difficult for him. If Joventut isn't willing to drop the buyout to at least 4 million $ (or less), the only real option for Rubio playing in the NBA in the upcoming season is being traded to the Knicks (or perhaps also the Nets).

One thing everyone is forgetting are the taxes. It's 2 different countries, you can't just "deduct" the buyout and then pay taxes on the net profit.
Rubios salary would supposedly be 2.7mil$ in 1st year and 2.9mil$ in 2nd year (3rd & 4th years are team options, I think; it used to be only 4th year, but now it's also 3rd, I think), so overall 5.6mil$ guaranteed, and after taxes, agent fees etc. that should be like 3 million $, or even less.

Bottom line, as it is, and if Joventut drops the buyout to 4mil$ (nobody knows atm), he would need quite a lot of money in endosements to just break even ...
And in these economic times, even the biggest companies aren't as prepared to just throw money around ... (especially when Rubio will get a lot less exposure)

Him liking/disliking playing in Minnesota is totally secondary ...

P.s.: About him and his camp saying there's a high chance of him returning to the ACB, maybe they're just bluffing, for example if Joventut really is desperate to get the buyout. Then this would be the best thing for Rubios' camp to do/say. (he could also be saying it to force the Wolves to act ... though)

[MagnusPinus]

He says also that he still needs to talk to Kahn and the Wolves and see what they want to do.. so maybe there is a chance they can convince him with good talking, especially giving the fact that Rubio appears a bit uncertain.

Apparently he also visited NY, and they asked him if it is nice place to leave??

Yes, and he answered (half joking) that it was too noisy and crowded, that he prefers more clam places, but that he will get used to whatever city he ends going.

I don't think the city itself has anything to do with his decision, it's more about going to a franchise with good potential and that will also give him the most minutes.

And talked about things like it very modern, it has not much of an history right?? Man.. I can understand spanish

Well, I think there is still a chance for MInny, because he has not talked to the Wolves yet..

[Icy]

As Spanish i want Rubio to become the next Gasol, but i think he is not doing things as he should. He should look at Gasol, be humble, go to the city that owns your rights, play there, become the best player there, and once your contract is over, and once you have shown that you are the real deal, then move to a winning team and bring a ring to Spain as Gasol did.

For what i have been reading about his agent in USA, and what he has done with other athletes, he might be his biggest problem, the reason of him going down to the #5 pick, and the reason of all the issues he is having. Probably Rubio's agent promised him he would go to a nice franchise and to be drafted #2 to pay his buyout contract without problems, decided to play those risky cards, and ended at #5 and in a team he never thought about and rivaling with another rookie PG for the job.

Of course it all could be a poker hand:

Minnesota wants to trade him as their man is Flynn, Rubio was drafted because it was too good at #5 or #6 to pass on him and to let the next team to pick him at #7, that would have made them to look stupid.

They also know Rubio doesn't want to play there, but they are saying that they will play both pgs and that they will patiently wait for Rubio just to keep an strong hand vs other teams interested on the trade.

Rubio is fighting with DKV to lower his buyout, by saying that he is going to be back to honor that contract is also a way to put the pressure on his old team. They need the cash, in fact they have already deposited the contract buyout clause in the Spanish IRS to cover the huge debts they have. They really need that money and they do not want Ricky back and to get free for nothing in two years. Also the fans could be pissed at him for trying to get out of the team and could be a bad marketing thing if he gets back.

I guess nothing will be clear until closer to the start of the season.

[Icy]

Sry, double post.

[wildvikeswolves]

He says also that he still needs to talk to Kahn and the Wolves and see what they want to do.. so maybe there is a chance they can convince him with good talking, especially giving the fact that Rubio appears a bit uncertain.

Apparently he also visited NY, and they asked him if it is nice place to leave??

Yes, and he answered (half joking) that it was too noisy and crowded, that he prefers more clam places, but that he will get used to whatever city he ends going.

I don't think the city itself has anything to do with his decision, it's more about going to a franchise with good potential and that will also give him the most minutes.

And talked about things like it very modern, it has not much of an history right?? Man.. I can understand spanish

Well, I think there is still a chance for MInny, because he has not talked to the Wolves yet..

I really think once he talks to Kahn things will become alot more clear for him. Kahn will explain everythinmg to him including the Flynn pick, how we plan to build around him, and that hes the starter the moment he gets here.

[mnWI]

A big question now is, how "desperate" is Joventut. They won't be in the Euroleague in the upcoming season, so you have to wonder what's the best for them. Having Rubio for 2 years, or getting like 4 million $. (also, we shall not forget that now also the Spanish "IRS" supposedly has a say in it)
There's close to zero chance they'll be able to get the whole buy-out number, not even close to it.

Anyway, Rubio dropping to 5th pick makes everything all that more difficult for him. If Joventut isn't willing to drop the buyout to at least 4 million $ (or less), the only real option for Rubio playing in the NBA in the upcoming season is being traded to the Knicks (or perhaps also the Nets).

One thing everyone is forgetting are the taxes. It's 2 different countries, you can't just "deduct" the buyout and then pay taxes on the net profit.
Rubios salary would supposedly be 2.7mil$ in 1st year and 2.9mil$ in 2nd year (3rd & 4th years are team options, I think; it used to be only 4th year, but now it's also 3rd, I think), so overall 5.6mil$ guaranteed, and after taxes, agent fees etc. that should be like 3 million $, or even less.

Bottom line, as it is, and if Joventut drops the buyout to 4mil$ (nobody knows atm), he would need quite a lot of money in endosements to just break even ...
And in these economic times, even the biggest companies aren't as prepared to just throw money around ... (especially when Rubio will get a lot less exposure)

Him liking/disliking playing in Minnesota is totally secondary ...

P.s.: About him and his camp saying there's a high chance of him returning to the ACB, maybe they're just bluffing, for example if Joventut really is desperate to get the buyout. Then this would be the best thing for Rubios' camp to do/say. (he could also be saying it to force the Wolves to act ... though)

Good post, but most big time agents don't take fees on the rookie scale contract.

[collin_k41]

Anyway, Rubio dropping to 5th pick makes everything all that more difficult for him. If Joventut isn't willing to drop the buyout to at least 4 million $ (or less), the only real option for Rubio playing in the NBA in the upcoming season is being traded to the Knicks (or perhaps also the Nets).

So you're saying that because Minneapolis isn't a big enough market he won't get enough endorsements to offset the cost of paying for the buyout???

I really think he will get endorsements wherever he goes...he is known all over the world. KG never had any problems getting endorsements.

[MagnusPinus]

Yeah.. I think Rubio works in 2 directions with these things he says:

- trying to threaten Joventut, that is just trying to get some cash,since they have serious debts... because the guy wants to lower the buyout

- trying to force the hand to end up playing in NY, the place where he wants to go.

Maybe if he can lower the buyout and Kahn talks him the right way he could end up in MInnesota.

I agree he is not playing it the right way like Gasol, but there was another time.. now he knows what GAsol went thru in a bad situation, and wants to be traded where he thinks there is better chance for him and the future..

[revprodeji]

If Lebron can get endorsements while playing in the mistake by the lake then Rubio will be fine in MN. Ask KG, or AD.

[cloudXXI]

I don´t think Ricky has any problem playing for Minnesota. I´m pretty sure if Minnesota would have selected him with the second pick (moving up) he would join the team this year.

Now it´s all about DKV. They really want Ricky goes to NBA...for the 4.7 millions of euros, and Ricky isn´t going to NBA paying that money (after being selected 5th)

I don´t think Ricky is going to be trade because no one is going to trade for him until the buyout is resolved. And if the buyout is resolved, Minnesota would have a clear path to sign Ricky.

Anway, if Minnesota trade him, they will be doing an historical mistake. It´s far better taking Ricky in two years than any player offered to them. Or is Minnesota thinking in winning the championiship in the next two years?

[revprodeji]

Our GM is preaching patience. It is better to have a 20yr old Rubio than whatever bile NY has to trade.

[collin_k41]

Yeah.. I think Rubio works in 2 directions with these things he says:

- trying to threaten Joventut, that is just trying to get some cash,since they have serious debts... because the guy wants to lower the buyout

- trying to force the hand to end up playing in NY, the place where I want him to go.

Maybe if he can lower the buyout and Kahn talks him the right way he could end up in MInnesota.

I agree he is not playing it the right way like Gasol, but there was another time.. now he knows what GAsol went thru in a bad situation, and wants to be traded where he thinks there is better chance for him and the future..

Point 1: True
Point 2: False, and fixed

He thinks he might get traded because of all these bogus rumors. Now he doesn't know what's going on and feels that IF he's traded to a different team there's the possibility that he would stay in the NBA because of possible endorsements. He's not forcing anyone's hand Minnie.

[MagnusPinus]

I don´t think Ricky has any problem playing for Minnesota. I´m pretty sure if Minnesota would have selected him with the second pick (moving up) he would join the team this year.

Now it´s all about DKV. They really want Ricky goes to NBA...for the 4.7 millions of euros, and Ricky isn´t going to NBA paying that money (after being selected 5th)

I don´t think Ricky is going to be trade because no one is going to trade for him until the buyout is resolved. And if the buyout is resolved, Minnesota would have a clear path to sign Ricky.

Anway, if Minnesota trade him, they will be doing an historical mistake. It´s far better taking Ricky in two years than any player offered to them. Or is Minnesota thinking in winning the championiship in the next two years?

What if the Wolves win next year lottery and get John Wall I mean, building a young team needs also time in terms of developing chemistry between the players.. if you wait Rubio two years, and Flynn establish as a star at the point is gonna be hard to see Rubio come and fit .. PG position is different form SG or SF.. or even a big man.. you can always put a SG in the team after years and have another scoring weapons. The point guard is the general of the team, everything starts with him.

[4ho5ive]

I don´t think Ricky has any problem playing for Minnesota. I´m pretty sure if Minnesota would have selected him with the second pick (moving up) he would join the team this year.

Now it´s all about DKV. They really want Ricky goes to NBA...for the 4.7 millions of euros, and Ricky isn´t going to NBA paying that money (after being selected 5th)

I don´t think Ricky is going to be trade because no one is going to trade for him until the buyout is resolved. And if the buyout is resolved, Minnesota would have a clear path to sign Ricky.

Anway, if Minnesota trade him, they will be doing an historical mistake. It´s far better taking Ricky in two years than any player offered to them. Or is Minnesota thinking in winning the championiship in the next two years?

This is what we keep telling everyone but apparently since he may not be able to come over for two years, that means he'll never play for us which means we need to duke him to a big market for pennies on the dollar.

[MagnusPinus]

Yeah.. I think Rubio works in 2 directions with these things he says:

- trying to threaten Joventut, that is just trying to get some cash,since they have serious debts... because the guy wants to lower the buyout

- trying to force the hand to end up playing in NY, the place where I want him to go.

Maybe if he can lower the buyout and Kahn talks him the right way he could end up in MInnesota.

I agree he is not playing it the right way like Gasol, but there was another time.. now he knows what GAsol went thru in a bad situation, and wants to be traded where he thinks there is better chance for him and the future..

Point 1: True
Point 2: False, and fixed

He thinks he might get traded because of all these bogus rumors. Now he doesn't know what's going on and feels that IF he's traded to a different team there's the possibility that he would stay in the NBA because of possible endorsements. He's not forcing anyone's hand Minnie.

As another guy said.. we got to read between the lines. From what I read, it looks like he wants to be traded. He doesn't say it, he kind of suggest it with the things he say. Then.. it is true I'm very desperate, and I'd be very happy to see him in NY, and I hope he and his agent make everything possible to make it happen(all because I want to see him and Gallinari play together).

Said that.. if it is true that he doesnt' want to play for wolves, Kahn HAS to trade him. He can't act like a baby and got to do what is best for the franchise, and could very well and with having something appropriate in return.

[collin_k41]

Too many whatifs Mags.."what if the wolves win the lottery, what if flynn becomes a star."

If that stuff happens then we'll deal with it when the time comes...You say the point guard is the general of the team and everything starts with him....so what's wrong with drafting two guys with these qualities that have the ability to play together in the backcourt? Rubio already said that he's played with another PG before and it makes playing easier so he'd be comfortable with playing alongside Flynn.

Edit(with your recent post mags): You are SOO biased and want Rubio in New York so badly that anything...and I do mean ANYTHING you read about Rubio you think it means he hates Minnesota and he wants to be in NY..it makes your credibility zero..

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I don´t think Ricky has any problem playing for Minnesota. I´m pretty sure if Minnesota would have selected him with the second pick (moving up) he would join the team this year.

Now it´s all about DKV. They really want Ricky goes to NBA...for the 4.7 millions of euros, and Ricky isn´t going to NBA paying that money (after being selected 5th)

I don´t think Ricky is going to be trade because no one is going to trade for him until the buyout is resolved. And if the buyout is resolved, Minnesota would have a clear path to sign Ricky.

Anway, if Minnesota trade him, they will be doing an historical mistake. It´s far better taking Ricky in two years than any player offered to them. Or is Minnesota thinking in winning the championiship in the next two years?

Oh god no, Minnesota isn't primed for any championship anytime soon..but Ricky does solve a glaring need for us in having a pure PG who can read a play 2 passes ahead of it.

[tviper]

As Spanish i want Rubio to become the next Gasol, but i think he is not doing things as he should. He should look at Gasol, be humble, go to the city that owns your rights, play there, become the best player there, and once your contract is over, and once you have shown that you are the real deal, then move to a winning team and bring a ring to Spain as Gasol did.

For what i have been reading about his agent in USA, and what he has done with other athletes, he might be his biggest problem, the reason of him going down to the #5 pick, and the reason of all the issues he is having. Probably Rubio's agent promised him he would go to a nice franchise and to be drafted #2 to pay his buyout contract without problems, decided to play those risky cards, and ended at #5 and in a team he never thought about and rivaling with another rookie PG for the job.

Of course it all could be a poker hand:

Minnesota wants to trade him as their man is Flynn, Rubio was drafted because it was too good at #5 or #6 to pass on him and to let the next team to pick him at #7, that would have made them to look stupid.

They also know Rubio doesn't want to play there, but they are saying that they will play both pgs and that they will patiently wait for Rubio just to keep an strong hand vs other teams interested on the trade.

Rubio is fighting with DKV to lower his buyout, by saying that he is going to be back to honor that contract is also a way to put the pressure on his old team. They need the cash, in fact they have already deposited the contract buyout clause in the Spanish IRS to cover the huge debts they have. They really need that money and they do not want Ricky back and to get free for nothing in two years. Also the fans could be pissed at him for trying to get out of the team and could be a bad marketing thing if he gets back.

I guess nothing will be clear until closer to the start of the season.

why can't Chad Ford report something like that? Why are the expectations so low at ESPN?

[collin_k41]

What are the chances Rubio plays in the summer-league with us??? Kahn should try and convince him to give him a taste on what he'll be missing out on if he stays in Europe for a year.

[Genjuro]

As Spanish i want Rubio to become the next Gasol, but i think he is not doing things as he should. He should look at Gasol, be humble, go to the city that owns your rights, play there, become the best player there, and once your contract is over, and once you have shown that you are the real deal, then move to a winning team and bring a ring to Spain as Gasol did.

Well, the Gasol story wasn't a fairy tale.

Gasol signed a max extention with the Grizzlies, then got injured playing for the Spanish National Team, and demanded a trade right after coming back from the injury, while showing a relatively poor playing level before being traded for ten cents on the dollar.

You know, that's not the most proffesional way to do things, IMO. Actually, if you ask me, Rubio is being a lot fairer with the Wolves rather than Gasol was with the Grizzlies.

The draft doesn't mean any contract at all. Gasol did have a contract, an extremely fat contract.