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big3_8_19_21 · Post #321 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:36 am

Has Charles Garcia been discussed?

I'd never heard of him, but DX has us taking him at 20.

They describe him as an Odom/Blatche hybrid. He's 6'10" (yeah, I know, another 6'10" guy), but they say he has incredible ball handling skills, plays mostly on the perimeter, has good range for a big man (shooting 30% from 3, so he could work on it a bit). He's 3rd in points per 40 pace adjusted in the nation and averaging 26.0 points and 10.4 boards. Not big on blocks with 0.7 per game. The big thing that I love is that he's destroying everybody else in free throws attempted at an eye-popping 14.3 attempts per game, but only connects on 61.2% of them. At 20, maybe I'd take a flier on him, but only if he could play SF...but even still another guy that's mediocre from distance and he's another 6'10" guy that doesn't block shots...

the_bruce · Post #322 » by **the_bruce** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:59 am

big3_8_19_21 wrote:Has Charles Garcia been discussed?

I'd never heard of him, but DX has us taking him at 20.

They describe him as an Odom/Blatche hybrid. He's 6'10" (yeah, I know, another 6'10" guy), but they say he has incredible ball handling skills, plays mostly on the perimeter, has good range for a big man (shooting 30% from 3, so he could work on it a bit). He's 3rd in points per 40 pace adjusted in the nation and averaging 26.0 points and 10.4 boards. Not big on blocks with 0.7 per game. The big thing that I love is that he's destroying everybody else in free throws attempted at an eye-popping 14.3 attempts per game, but only connects on 61.2% of them. At 20, maybe I'd take a flier on him, but only if he could play SF...but even still another guy that's mediocre from distance and he's another 6'10" guy that doesn't block shots...

The blog entry says he can handle the rock, but I glanced aat his stats and he's 5+ TO per game. I'm sure when the draft rolls around we will get a better eval on him.

Dan's with the Wolves · Post #323 » by **Dan's with the Wolves** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:11 pm

There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

Post #324 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:31 pm

Love gets to the line a pretty good amount. And really, a two way big who can anchor a defense and get to the line is pretty close to a superstar. You basically just described Dwight Howard.

Esohny · Post #325 » by **Esohny** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:50 pm

I think we'd do ok if we could get a center who can guard true 7 footers, is above average athletically and on defense, and is average on offense. That's still not simple to find, but at least we're not limited two or three times a decade type players.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #326 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:08 pm

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

I hate when people say stuff like this about needing a player that can do this and that, Ok, but who is that guy? What's his name? is he still in college? do we have a chance to draft? OR What nba team is he playing for? Can we get him via trade? Do we have enough to get the other team interested? or maybe this guy is a free agent and we can sign him? OR he's playing on freaking Mars and never comes down on Earth to play here. There's limited number of good players in NBA, 200 at best. Is it that hard to bring on a few names and suggest how we can get them?

Foye · Post #327 » by **Foye** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:22 pm

james harden wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

I hate when people say stuff like this about needing a player that can do this and that, Ok, but who is that guy? What's his name? is he still in college? do we have a chance to draft? OR What nba team is he playing for? Can we get him via trade? Do we have enough to get the other team interested? or maybe this guy is a free agent and we can sign him? OR he's playing on freaking Mars and never comes down on Earth to play here. There's limited number of good players in NBA, 200 at best. Is it that hard to bring on a few names and suggest how we can get them?

Harrison Barnes is his name. Luckily we are the Timberwolves and have the luck that he'll be in this years draft. Oh wait, we aren't lucky. He comes out in 2011 where we'll probably have a lesser pick or might even lose it. :evil:

Dan's with the Wolves · Post #328 » by **Dan's with the Wolves** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:39 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Love gets to the line a pretty good amount. And really, a two way big who can anchor a defense and get to the line is pretty close to a superstar. You basically just described Dwight Howard.

Yeah, Dwight would be the superstar, but a third big that can fill that role is what the Wolves are lacking.

I was trying to find a way to pull a stat that combines FTM/48M + BLK/48 to identify players that would be capable of filling that role. If some stat whiz can generate that combined stat, I would love to see it.

Neither Al nor K Love are currently All-Stars. They both have certains elite skills that make them borderline all-stars. If the wolves could find a third complementary borderline all-star big that fill in for Al and Kevin's relative weaknesses that would be great.

AQuintus · Post #329 » by **AQuintus** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:48 pm

Dan's with the Wolves wrote:There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

You basically just described Cole Aldrich.

Foye · Post #330 » by **Foye** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:50 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

You basically just described Cole Aldrich.

Aldrich would be perfect if he was 2 inches longer. But I guess he would be fine.

Dan's with the Wolves · Post #331 » by **Dan's with the Wolves** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:52 pm

james harden wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

I hate when people say stuff like this about needing a player that can do this and that, Ok, but who is that guy? What's his name? is he still in college? do we have a chance to draft? OR What nba team is he playing for? Can we get him via trade? Do we have enough to get the other team interested? or maybe this guy is a free agent and we can sign him? OR he's playing on freaking Mars and never comes down on Earth to play here. There's limited number of good players in NBA, 200 at best. Is it that hard to bring on a few names and suggest how we can get them?

I was trying to generate a stat (BLKS+FTM)/48M that would identify players that are possible acquisitions but it was taking too much time. Can anyone help with that?

NewWolvesOrder · Post #332 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:12 pm

Foye wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
Dan's with the Wolves wrote:There is no doubt the Wolves need a couple stud wings. They also need an above average two way big that can be their defensive stopper down low and can draw fouls against the other teams bigs. I don't care if he is a PF, C or PF/C. Love get his shot blocked way to much down low. He has to learn how to draw the foul. Al is so talented down low he scores without being fouled. The unfilled role is a player who can be a defensive anchor in the paint and draw fouls down low on the other teams bigs. Neither Al or Love is very good at either of those two things. The player doesn't need to be a superstar (although I'd take one). He just needs to fill in Al and Kevin's weaknesses.

You basically just described Cole Aldrich.

Aldrich would be perfect if he was 2 inches longer. But I guess he would be fine.

Longer ot taller? there's no way you can know the length of Aldrich before his wingspan and standing reach is measured, but I can put money that he's going to be longer than Big Al and his standing reach of 9''2.

AQuintus · Post #333 » by **AQuintus** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:36 pm

james harden wrote:Longer ot taller? there's no way you can know the length of Aldrich before his wingspan and standing reach is measured, but I can put money that he's going to be longer than Big Al and his standing reach of 9''2.

I don't know his standing reach (which is more important), but I've seen a few reports that he measured out at a 7'4" or 7'5" wingspan at Lebron's camp.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #334 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:36 pm

AQuintus wrote:
james harden wrote:Longer ot taller? there's no way you can know the length of Aldrich before his wingspan and standing reach is measured, but I can put money that he's going to be longer than Big Al and his standing reach of 9''2.

I don't know his standing reach (which is more important), but I've seen a few reports that he measured out at a 7'4" or 7'5" wingspan at Lebron's camp.

I've seen a few posts on different boards stating it to be 7'7", don't know it's true.

moss_is_1 · Post #335 » by **moss_is_1** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:46 pm

He seems really long when in college, might be that he's playing against 6'7 guys most of the time though. He'd be a nice fit though, he gets to the line, can run the floor, block shots, and play good man defense. Plus he can make free throws and a mid-range jumper.

Krapinsky · Post #336 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:04 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:He seems really long when in college, might be that he's playing against 6'7 guys most of the time though. He'd be a nice fit though, he gets to the line, can run the floor, block shots, and play good man defense. Plus he can make free throws and a mid-range jumper.

I like him after 10. He's not enough of a difference maker to justify taking him before then.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #337 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:43 pm

he's the best center in the draft, I don't see him falling out of top10, too many teams need a defensive anchor.

Krapinsky · Post #338 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:50 pm

james harden wrote:he's the best center in the draft, I don't see him falling out of top10, too many teams need a defensive anchor.

See Lopez, Brook. And Aldrich doesn't have anything resembling Lopez's offensive game.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #339 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:01 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
james harden wrote:he's the best center in the draft, I don't see him falling out of top10, too many teams need a defensive anchor.

See Lopez, Brook. And Aldrich doesn't have anything resembling Lopez's offensive game.

Well, I think teams probably learned from the mistake of passing on Lopez and won't let Cole fall.

Krapinsky · Post #340 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:10 pm

james harden wrote:he's the best center in the draft, I don't see him falling out of top10, too many teams need a defensive anchor.

Here's the current lottery teams any my outlook --

1 Nets - Lopez, pass
2 Timberwolves - Jefferson, more needs, pass
3 Jazz - Okur, but maybe.
4 76ers - Dalembert, but maybe.
5 Grizzlies - Gasol/Thabeet, pass
6 Wizards - McGee, Blatche, but maybe
7 Pistons - Probably won't be in top 10 at the end of the year, but could surely use Aldrich.Take him.
8 Warriors - Biendrins, Randolph, pass.
9 Raptors - Take him
10 Pacers - Hibbert, pass. Need point guard, but none in this range. (Potential Sessions trade?)
11 Bulls - Noah, pass.
12 Hornets - Okafor, need help else where. But maybe take him and look to move Okafor.
13 Timberwolves - At this point, sure. take him.
14 Clippers - Kaman, pass

I think that's 4 out of the top 10 teams that definitely won't take him, and only 3 out of the top 11 that definitely consider taking him. Maybe you're right though, he probably lands in the top 10. I just think with the wing talent available in this draft and our huge need there, we can't afford to pass up on another perimeter playmaker.