With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects

[shrink]

2013+2015 MIA picks.

Cleveland uses its big TPE to facilitate an Iggy to Minny trade, giving Philly 13 mil in 2011 cap savings to go with Wes and Flynn.

Two good ideas.

[Esohny]

I think the structure is fine, but I'm not nearly as impressed with Valanciunas as you are. I'd either trade to move the #4 for a vet center, or I'd make another pick.

[younggunsmn]

I think the structure is fine, but I'm not nearly as impressed with Valanciunas as you are. I'd either trade to move the #4 for a vet center, or I'd make another pick.

#4 + Webster for (Future top 10 protected 1st) + Gortat?

The big part of the deal is getting Iggy for Wes + a trade down. What we do with #4 from there is just gravy.

[younggunsmn]

Ok, so I was right. I was confused about that.

TPE can be used by the team to absorb a contract, but they cannot be dealt to another team. Correct?

Could (hypothetically)

Cle
Out-4th pick, TPE (to absorb Iggy)
In- 2nd pick

Philly
Out-Iggy
In-Cap+ minor compensation

MN
Out-2nd
In- 4th and Iggy

So Clev uses the cap to bring in Iggy's contract?

Or could we just cut Clev out and offer Philly a cap friendly situation for Iggy?

Credit Rev with this framework. Though the TPE couldn't be traded, I used it to get CLE to absorb Pek and Nocioni to give PHI capspace. Am I overpaying Philly by giving them Wes AND capspace? Iggy is only 3 years older than Wes, and has proven he is an elite 2-way player a tier below the superstars.

[revprodeji]

I think it's kind of amusing that DX has Williams' best case = Beasley and Kanter's best case = Love.

Comparisons are always terrible, but this is why Kanter's defensive ability and if he is a 4 or 5 are coming into question.

[AQuintus]

edit - missed Aquintas' post thaat said the same thing.

Yours is better since I got the dates completely wrong.

[JMillott]

First thing the Wolves should be doing is not pulling the trigger on anything until the Cavs draft Irving #1 and then reject a #2 and Rubio package in my opinion that is priority one. Irving is a can't miss well above average PG in this league and certainly someone that could go along ways towards making Wesley Johnson, Martell Webster and Michael Beasley much more effective on the wings despite their lack of ball handling skills.

In my eyes for a team that has insisted that they would be bringing over Ricky Rubio this entire time, they've done a very poor job setting up a roster that would make much sense around him. They've created a drastic need in my opinion not just to bring in a PG that can create for others but for one that can both score and space the floor just as well.

If they can't get the guy then its just a matter of deciding who the best player availible is? This doesn't just mean the most talented guy, they need to make an honest judgement on their ability to re-sign Kevin Love in this process. That being said he is the only player on the roster the Wolves need to concern themselves with because like it or not Michael Beasley is expendable.

While I personally don't think Enes Kanter is the worlds greatest fit next to Kevin Love, I do think hes a better fit then Darko Millic and or going small with Love at center next to Beasley. I also think in the Wolves division that Kanter should be fine playing defense at center and taking the likes of Perkins, Jefferson, Oden and Nene is a better option then having Darko trying to make them all as inefficient as he is offensively.

So personally i'm leaning towards Enes Kanter at number two assuming Irving is gone. I think the Wolves problems were just as bad at the offensive end as the defensive end only they were hidden by the sretches they went small with Love/Beasley to score points against teams with double digit leads to make the offense look more respectable then it is.

Fact of the matter is that if Darko was the great defensive center that some people think he is, the Wolves would've given up far less then 110.9 per 100 pos with him on the floor. I know its an improvement over the 113.5 per 100 pos without him on the floor but what he took away at that end he also took away from the Wolves at the other. He is a absolutely horrid offensive player regardless of his passing, the man can't score with any efficiency, shoots a horrible percentage from the line on top of not getting to the line and wasn't even able to start next to Dwight Howard or Pau Gasol with any success. He is a back up center end of story.

I agree with some of the Jonas talk but honestly the Wolves can't wait for him to come over or develop or Love will surely leave. I like Williams more then Beasley, if simply because the head isn't an issue and he'll be on a rookie contract instead of ending one and I wouldn't rule out the worst case scenario for Beasley being that he breaks out, gets paid and then just coasts by on numbers while losing 60 games a year.

[eyeteeth]

You guys who want Bogut, this guy has a similar build (an inch or two shorter maybe) and from the little I've seen, maybe better shot creating potential.

I don't want Bogut for his shot creating potential.

The Wolves desperately need a big man who can create some offense. If Darko had reliably scored with a TS% even at the avg of starting centers, the whole rest of the team would have been better. As it is, the team would get the ball to Darko in the low post (he's excellent at getting to his spot) and he would brick a layup or have the ball stolen.

A center who can draw and pass out of double teams and who can reliably score on the low block makes the team more efficient, which in its way makes up for some of our defensive struggles. It certainly helps the team close out games. This to me is the strongest argument for Kanter. That he is legitimately a large body who can almost certainly play with NBA canters is key. That he plays with passion hopefully translates to the defensive end, but will help us win games regardless.

The bottom line about defense on this team, it's not really about the players. We had the worst defense in the league last year, not the worst defenders. Get a quality player at the #2 who fills a need (ie. not D-Williams), and bring in some coaching help to revamp the defense.

[gflem]

Cavs fan here, I see some interest in Varejo here, would anyone be interested in Andy and #4 for Wes Johnson + filler and #2? Randolph or Tolliver would work salary wise, I would prefer Randolph, but I dont know how you guys feel about him.

No. Not even close. Andy and 4 for Darko and 2 is decently close. Johnson and Randolph or Tolliver, on the other hand, is worth quite a bit more than Varejao (think Iguodala), so your deal is basically giving up value on our end just to move back two spaces in the draft. Not going to happen.

Well, thats why I asked. I didnt know how you felt about Randolph or Tolliver. I really dont want to see Andy moved unless there is a great benefit for us. I dont think we will be ready to compete before he starts to decline, but he is a favorite of mine and wouldnt move him for Darko in any way shape or form.
You guys should take Williams imo, bpa, but if you dont and he falls to us I would be extremely happy with that.

[Wolfsbane]

This is basically a two man draft (although I personally like the long term potential of Knight). Assuming Williams is the one who falls to #2, then Kahn has to take him regardless of other players on the roster in the same way OKC selected Green after they had already picked Durant because they felt Green was the BPA. If Kahn trades the pick he better get a boatload in return or is going to look really bad.

If he takes scraps from Utah and drafts someone like Kanter who hasn't played in a competitive league in 2 years then he probably deserves to be fired.

Best Post of this thread !

[Grits n Gravy]

sounding like positive news on jonas:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cn-8514315

his club is in financial trouble which you gotta believe will help him get a buy out done.

[AQuintus]

I thought that this was interesting:

Stuart in Philadephia:
Jonathan, is Biyombo NBA-ready, i.e. will he be able to start on opening night (whenever that is)? If not, how close is he?

Jonathan Givony:
I think he's more ready than any of the other big men in this draft (http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/2011-Big-Men/), except for maybe Marcus Morris.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1651

[moss_is_1]

I am getting the feeling Biyombo is going to blow everyone away in workouts, and rise very high to at least the top 5. I still really want him or Kanter and then Burks as well. I know that it's not very likely, but I just think Burks is being slept on because of his shooting.

[Busch Legion]

Are there any official measurements on Biyombo?

[eyeteeth]

There are lots of legit SGs that will be available later in the draft. If we want a good choice we will need to move up from 20, but if we stay at 20 we'll be fine. I would love to see us get Klay Thompson (pretty sure I'm alone on this), but I think we'd need to get up between 10-15 to do so. Moving to get Burks would be interesting (his lack of a jump shot worries me), but would require us to get up under 10. That's a little tougher.

To get Biyombo we will probably have to trade with Cleveland, Williams for the 4 plus something. Not sure how that works out.

Big men in the draft:

Kanter
Biyombo
Valenciunas

All one kind of mystery or another.

[jpatrick]

Are there any official measurements on Biyombo?

From the Hoops Summit game he is 6'9" in shoes, 243lbs, with a 7'7" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach.

[moss_is_1]

Are there any official measurements on Biyombo?

From the Hoops Summit game he is 6'9" in shoes, 243lbs, with a 7'7" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach.

Which...for comparison sake

Dwight Howard - 6'10.25" in shoes, 7'4.5" wingspan, 9'3.5" standing reach

Andrew Bogut - 7'0.25" in shoes, 7'3" wingspan, 9'2.5" standing reach

Joakim Noah - 7'0" in shoes, 7'1.25" wingspan, 8'10,5" standing reach

Deandre Jordan - 6'11" in shoes, 7'6" wingspan, 9'5.5" standing reach

Javale McGee - 7'0" in shoes, 7'6" wingspan, 9'6.5" standing reach

obviously what he lacks in height, he more then makes up for in his long arms, and his athleticism. Plus the fact that he's only 18, so like Dwight Howard he could still grow a little bit more.

[Klomp]

To get Biyombo we will probably have to trade with Cleveland

You think Biyombo's going #1?

[Krapinsky]

To get Biyombo we will probably have to trade with Cleveland

You think Biyombo's going #1?

Did you ignore the rest of his sentence?

[Flash4thewin]

Are there any official measurements on Biyombo?

From the Hoops Summit game he is 6'9" in shoes, 243lbs, with a 7'7" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach.

Which...for comparison sake

Dwight Howard - 6'10.25" in shoes, 7'4.5" wingspan, 9'3.5" standing reach

Andrew Bogut - 7'0.25" in shoes, 7'3" wingspan, 9'2.5" standing reach

Joakim Noah - 7'0" in shoes, 7'1.25" wingspan, 8'10,5" standing reach

Deandre Jordan - 6'11" in shoes, 7'6" wingspan, 9'5.5" standing reach

Javale McGee - 7'0" in shoes, 7'6" wingspan, 9'6.5" standing reach

obviously what he lacks in height, he more then makes up for in his long arms, and his athleticism. Plus the fact that he's only 18, so like Dwight Howard he could still grow a little bit more.

Wouldnt Biyombo be a better PF prospect? Is he Dwight/Amare/Griffin athletic? Would Love play Center if Biyombo is drafted?