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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#341 » by Klomp » Tue May 8, 2012 3:46 am

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cpfsf wrote:I considered the same Ariza-Martin pairing too. It’s actually pretty easy to be pleased with this duo considering it destroys the Johnson-Webster alternative. I would never by the way trade Williams in either scenario, but I think it's likely that both teams will expect either the Utah or Memphis pick.

Minnesota would have a decent edge re-signing Martin because Adelman maximized his talents while offering a consistent role. In Houston his name always managed to pop up in trade rumors, and now we see his role is diminishing. To me this just seems like a small risk for a player who has just one year remaining on his contract. There are certainly cheaper shooting guards that I would like to consider first, but it’s pretty appealing because he is one of Adelman’s guys.

Now Ariza would really benefit from playing with this more respectable lineup, so he wouldn’t be expected to have such a heavy load on the offensive end. We just need to be sure that we surround him with another offensively gifted guard. Here's a nice little tidbit, an Ariza trade would mean that he played for 6 teams in 9 seasons.


Ariza seems very much the underwhelming but repectable professional. I would consider him a near worst case scenario and someone worth only a very minimal asset in return. That said, he could comport himself with dignity under Adelman, who knows? Sometimes journeyman players work really well for coaches that can be really specific about what they want from their players. In any case, despite his certainly lackluster skill set, he would still undeniably be an upgrade from the almost-rans we've had playing SF.

If there is something to be said for a Martin/Ariza fix at the wings, it's that it should, on the merits, allow us to hold on to DW. That's a move that might end up having some big upside for us down the road.


Underwelming? You have to pay extra for the flashy guys like Iguodala.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#342 » by LordBaldric » Tue May 8, 2012 5:38 am

People like to poop all over Wally, but he was a solid player at the 3. Although, given the current team makeup we probably want solid defenders at the wing positions.

But prime Wally Z was certainly better than the current version of AK47.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#343 » by Klomp » Tue May 8, 2012 5:43 am

LordBaldric wrote:People like to poop all over Wally, but he was a solid player at the 3. Although, given the current team makeup we probably want solid defenders at the wing positions.

But prime Wally Z was certainly better than the current version of AK47.

He said AK47 would be the best we'd have, not the best we've had.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#344 » by LordBaldric » Tue May 8, 2012 6:32 am

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LordBaldric wrote:People like to poop all over Wally, but he was a solid player at the 3. Although, given the current team makeup we probably want solid defenders at the wing positions.

But prime Wally Z was certainly better than the current version of AK47.

He said AK47 would be the best we'd have, not the best we've had.


Well, if that's the only bar I could probably find a guy at the YMCA better than Wes...
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#345 » by jade_hippo » Tue May 8, 2012 7:01 am

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LordBaldric wrote:People like to poop all over Wally, but he was a solid player at the 3. Although, given the current team makeup we probably want solid defenders at the wing positions.

But prime Wally Z was certainly better than the current version of AK47.

He said AK47 would be the best we'd have, not the best we've had.


Well, if that's the only bar I could probably find a guy at the YMCA better than Wes...


It wasn't mean to be an endearing statement. At this point Uncle Ricky and Trenton Hassell could probably come in and out play whatever combo of wings we throw out there.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#346 » by Basti » Tue May 8, 2012 10:14 am

How much I'd love it to have 2003/04 Trenton Hassel on this team. We'd need a scoring wing alongside him but still.

He was one of my favorite Wolves players of all time. I started wearing high socks at basketball as some sort of tribute to him and I wanted to be a great defender after seeing how he shut down Melo and Peja back in 2003/04. That was obviously during a time when the rules were still somewhat in favor of perimeter defenders. After the rules were changed he became rather useless.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#347 » by Esohny » Tue May 8, 2012 1:29 pm

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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#348 » by Dewey » Tue May 8, 2012 1:39 pm

Plain and simple: Adding Martin = Desperation. We need get rid of the crap we got without adding a player who's on the move and expect something positive to happen with this team. Martin will DETER prospective FA's from coming to MN.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#349 » by Basti » Tue May 8, 2012 1:46 pm

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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#350 » by eyeteeth » Tue May 8, 2012 2:40 pm

Dewey wrote:Plain and simple: Adding Martin = Desperation. We need get rid of the crap we got without adding a player who's on the move and expect something positive to happen with this team. Martin will DETER prospective FA's from coming to MN.

Rick Adelman, Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love. All of these are big time draws for prospective FA's. I don't know that Martin is considered a genius, but his scoring prowess is certainly respected around the league. In any case, he is not some toxic monster that would overwhelm the chance to play for Adelman alongside Rubio and Love.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#351 » by southern wolf » Tue May 8, 2012 2:52 pm

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I'm officially a Wolves mod, too. :thumbsup:


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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#352 » by Basti » Tue May 8, 2012 5:03 pm

Man, I hope I'll move up in a real job as soon as I've done here.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#353 » by moss_is_1 » Tue May 8, 2012 5:26 pm

I want nothing to do with Kevin Martin...unless he's an absolute last resort. Rocket's fans hate the guy and we don't need to add someone who plays crappy defense and can't dribble for our SG.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#354 » by Esohny » Tue May 8, 2012 5:55 pm

Dewey wrote:Plain and simple: Adding Martin = Desperation. We need get rid of the crap we got without adding a player who's on the move and expect something positive to happen with this team. Martin will DETER prospective FA's from coming to MN.


I don't get your argument. I can see why you don't want to acquire Martin, but how would he deter free agents?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#355 » by Klomp » Tue May 8, 2012 6:24 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:I want nothing to do with Kevin Martin...unless he's an absolute last resort. Rocket's fans hate the guy and we don't need to add someone who plays crappy defense and can't dribble for our SG.

They hate the guy as their #1 option. Here, he'd be the #2 or #3 option.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#356 » by Worm Guts » Tue May 8, 2012 6:26 pm

The one thing he can do is score efficiently. I'm not sure your increasing his value if you utilize that less.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#357 » by theGreatRC » Tue May 8, 2012 7:17 pm

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moss_is_1 wrote:I want nothing to do with Kevin Martin...unless he's an absolute last resort. Rocket's fans hate the guy and we don't need to add someone who plays crappy defense and can't dribble for our SG.

They hate the guy as their #1 option. Here, he'd be the #2 or #3 option.


I wouldn't mind him as a second or third option, but isn't his defense horrible?
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#358 » by Narf » Tue May 8, 2012 8:24 pm

Without a TS% above .600 Martin isn't worth jack.
Those flopping-into-the-defender free throws are gone, and he'll never be as efficient a scorer anymore because of it.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#359 » by Grits n Gravy » Tue May 8, 2012 8:32 pm

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moss_is_1 wrote:I want nothing to do with Kevin Martin...unless he's an absolute last resort. Rocket's fans hate the guy and we don't need to add someone who plays crappy defense and can't dribble for our SG.

They hate the guy as their #1 option. Here, he'd be the #2 or #3 option.


I wouldn't mind him as a second or third option, but isn't his defense horrible?

apparently it is, yes. him and iggy i believe would complement each other extremely well on the wings i believe...they could cross match to put iggy on the bigger threat every night so martins defense would be less of a factor. martin gets the majority off his offense off the ball while iggy is more of an on the ball guy who is a good ball handler and passer who might be a slightly inconsistent scorer but could, along with ricky, get martin a bunch of good looks. imagine kevin martin running people off pek screens. that would be a really good off season if we came away with those two.
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Re: Adelman wants a "very aggressive" off season 

Post#360 » by theGreatRC » Tue May 8, 2012 8:48 pm

Rubio, Martin, Iggy, Love, Pek? That team would make me cream
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