Trade Ideas thread

[Note30]

I do not understand certain speeches: do not we reach the play off from eternity and still worry about how good players pay? Honestly if the player is strong and is functional to our game to me it does not matter anything to pay even more than it really is its value

Because if aren't careful with capspace and budget we lose valuable players because we can't pay them.

[Worm Guts]

Why do you prefer Simmons over Wiggins?

I don't necessarily, in a vacuum prefer him over Wiggins. Really a thread in itself value stacking them in a vacuum.

What I have as utmost importance for me in basketball is the sum of the roster. The role of the players. The fit of the core. WAY WAY more important than the value of individual talents. More so in NBA, where outside of the outlier superstars (not every team can have LBJ), sooooo many teams of talented players flame out when they are not a cohesive team.

So for this specific example, I prefer what Simmons can deliver to Wolves roster vs. Wiggins. He both solves either forward position slot, and ball handling duties...while allowing Dunn and LaVine to be ball-in-hand players (putting them in best position to succeed) BUT not offense initiating guards. Followed by trade, use Rubio to acquire a defensive specialist at PF/SF, and roster would be set for like 10 years.

And if Wolves secure top 2 spot, I would explore trade for Porzingis first, followed by Simmons. And if they can keep Wiggins to go with either player, all the better.

I disagree here. I don't really like the idea of Simmons running an offense and I don't like him at SF. Wiggins has his flaws so maybe Simmons will be a better player, I think Simmons is more of an unknown at this point, but Simmons needs to be the focal point which I don't like.

[minimus]

LaVine, Dunn + #6 pick for Simmons, Covington? Re-sign Rush. Sign Ingles or Snell to surround Rubio and Simmons with more shooters. Simmons is on the same level of versatility as Greek Freak: can pass and run like a guard, rebound like a bigman. The rumor is that Simmons has grown 2 inches from draft day. He needs to learn how to shoot and defend. But you always can use this type of talent.

KAT/Dieng/Aldrich
Simmons/Bjelica/Covington
Covington/Ingles/Rush
Wiggins/Rush/Ingles
Rubio/Jones

[Killboard]

I do not understand certain speeches: do not we reach the play off from eternity and still worry about how good players pay? Honestly if the player is strong and is functional to our game to me it does not matter anything to pay even more than it really is its value

Because if aren't careful with capspace and budget we lose valuable players because we can't pay them.

IMO is even worse have the money available but the players wanting going out because you couldn't make a competitive team around them.
If you spend the money in a average way (this probably means overpay, not for injury prone players but average NBA talent-we don't have enough at the moment-) and the team isn't successful then those guys maybe wasn't as valuable after all.

[rugbyrugger23]

Why do you prefer Simmons over Wiggins?

I don't necessarily, in a vacuum prefer him over Wiggins. Really a thread in itself value stacking them in a vacuum.

What I have as utmost importance for me in basketball is the sum of the roster. The role of the players. The fit of the core. WAY WAY more important than the value of individual talents. More so in NBA, where outside of the outlier superstars (not every team can have LBJ), sooooo many teams of talented players flame out when they are not a cohesive team.

So for this specific example, I prefer what Simmons can deliver to Wolves roster vs. Wiggins. He both solves either forward position slot, and ball handling duties...while allowing Dunn and LaVine to be ball-in-hand players (putting them in best position to succeed) BUT not offense initiating guards. Followed by trade, use Rubio to acquire a defensive specialist at PF/SF, and roster would be set for like 10 years.

And if Wolves secure top 2 spot, I would explore trade for Porzingis first, followed by Simmons. And if they can keep Wiggins to go with either player, all the better.

I disagree here. I don't really like the idea of Simmons running an offense and I don't like him at SF. Wiggins has his flaws so maybe Simmons will be a better player, I think Simmons is more of an unknown at this point, but Simmons needs to be the focal point which I don't like.

I think he needs to be a focal point less than Wiggins. He doesn't need offense sets or certain amount of half court possessions for his touches. He can run an offense, play in transition, and allow others to play off him (of course all unproven in NBA). If Thibs could get a hold of him and make him a Giannis clone, or at least Giannis lite, Wolves would be set for a dynasty.

Simmons can actually accomplish what Thibs has tried so hard (and for most part failed) with Wiggins. For him to be ball handler, with an off guard, and offense starts with Wiggins. Simmons has handles and if you believe the hype, the PG like skills to accomplish what Thibs wants--and just so happens will allow Dunn and LaVine to do what they do best, non primary ball handlers who can get ball in hand and do there thing.

[Worm Guts]

I don't necessarily, in a vacuum prefer him over Wiggins. Really a thread in itself value stacking them in a vacuum.

What I have as utmost importance for me in basketball is the sum of the roster. The role of the players. The fit of the core. WAY WAY more important than the value of individual talents. More so in NBA, where outside of the outlier superstars (not every team can have LBJ), sooooo many teams of talented players flame out when they are not a cohesive team.

So for this specific example, I prefer what Simmons can deliver to Wolves roster vs. Wiggins. He both solves either forward position slot, and ball handling duties...while allowing Dunn and LaVine to be ball-in-hand players (putting them in best position to succeed) BUT not offense initiating guards. Followed by trade, use Rubio to acquire a defensive specialist at PF/SF, and roster would be set for like 10 years.

And if Wolves secure top 2 spot, I would explore trade for Porzingis first, followed by Simmons. And if they can keep Wiggins to go with either player, all the better.

I disagree here. I don't really like the idea of Simmons running an offense and I don't like him at SF. Wiggins has his flaws so maybe Simmons will be a better player, I think Simmons is more of an unknown at this point, but Simmons needs to be the focal point which I don't like.

I think he needs to be a focal point less than Wiggins. He doesn't need offense sets or certain amount of half court possessions for his touches. He can run an offense, play in transition, and allow others to play off him (of course all unproven in NBA). If Thibs could get a hold of him and make him a Giannis clone, or at least Giannis lite, Wolves would be set for a dynasty.

Simmons can actually accomplish what Thibs has tried so hard (and for most part failed) with Wiggins. For him to be ball handler, with an off guard, and offense starts with Wiggins. Simmons has handles and if you believe the hype, the PG like skills to accomplish what Thibs wants--and just so happens will allow Dunn and LaVine to do what they do best, non primary ball handlers who can get ball in hand and do there thing.

Or he's a bust and we take a step back for no reason.
I would take him, I just wouldn't give up fair value. I think having question marks on your shooting,defense and effort is a fairly significant thing. There is pretty much zero chance Philly trades him anyway.

[Note30]

I disagree here. I don't really like the idea of Simmons running an offense and I don't like him at SF. Wiggins has his flaws so maybe Simmons will be a better player, I think Simmons is more of an unknown at this point, but Simmons needs to be the focal point which I don't like.

I think he needs to be a focal point less than Wiggins. He doesn't need offense sets or certain amount of half court possessions for his touches. He can run an offense, play in transition, and allow others to play off him (of course all unproven in NBA). If Thibs could get a hold of him and make him a Giannis clone, or at least Giannis lite, Wolves would be set for a dynasty.

Simmons can actually accomplish what Thibs has tried so hard (and for most part failed) with Wiggins. For him to be ball handler, with an off guard, and offense starts with Wiggins. Simmons has handles and if you believe the hype, the PG like skills to accomplish what Thibs wants--and just so happens will allow Dunn and LaVine to do what they do best, non primary ball handlers who can get ball in hand and do there thing.

Or he's a bust and we take a step back for no reason.
I would take him, I just wouldn't give up fair value. I think having question marks on your shooting,defense and effort is a fairly significant thing. There is pretty much zero chance Philly trades him anyway.

All of those same questions apply to Wiggins who plays the 3 and is guarding a more stacked position.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I do not understand certain speeches: do not we reach the play off from eternity and still worry about how good players pay? Honestly if the player is strong and is functional to our game to me it does not matter anything to pay even more than it really is its value

Because if aren't careful with capspace and budget we lose valuable players because we can't pay them.

IMO is even worse have the money available but the players wanting going out because you couldn't make a competitive team around them.
If you spend the money in a average way (this probably means overpay, not for injury prone players but average NBA talent-we don't have enough at the moment-) and the team isn't successful then those guys maybe wasn't as valuable after all.

Exactly what I meant...

[TwolvesFanRome]

Rubio+Dunn+Pick 2017

J. Wall


?

[AlfieJaegar]

Rubio+Dunn+Pick 2017

J. Wall


?

There's no way we get Wall.It was Washington's breakout year after all.They are not gonna give their best player until they get a better one in return.

[minimus]

Rubio+Dunn+Pick 2017 for J. Wall ?

If you write this proposal right now at Wizards realgm board, I think that they will laugh at it. They are one game away from the second round.

[Klomp]

Also remember, Wall was signed to the "super max" rookie extension. Under the CBA you can only have two of these players on your roster at any team, meaning a trade for Wall the second young guy couldn't get it.

[TwolvesFanRome]

Rubio+Dunn+Pick 2017 for J. Wall ?

If you write this proposal right now at Wizards realgm board, I think that they will laugh at it. They are one game away from the second round.

Maybe I know this while I was writing the post....anyway this winter i proposed him but i received a lot of "no wall" post...one of the main reason was that he couldn t play for thibs in our system..

[minimus]

Kris Dunn for Danny Green? SAS need talent and athleticism at PG, we need veteran presence, perimeter defense and shooting. Draft Markkanen. Sign Khem Birch for 6mil/3yrs contract. Trade Aldrich for Crabbe + #15. Draft OG.

KAT/Dieng/Birch
Bjelica/Dieng/Markkanen
Wiggins/Crabbe/OG
Green/LaVine/Crabbe
Rubio/Jones/LaVine

That is a good combination of experience, offensive/defensive potential and athleticism.

[Streakers33]

Kris Dunn for Danny Green? SAS need talent and athleticism at PG, we need veteran presence, perimeter defense and shooting. Draft Markkanen. Sign Khem Birch for 6mil/3yrs contract. Trade Aldrich for Crabbe + #15. Draft OG.

KAT/Dieng/Birch
Bjelica/Dieng/Markkanen
Wiggins/Crabbe/OG
Green/LaVine/Crabbe
Rubio/Jones/LaVine

That is a good combination of experience, offensive/defensive potential and athleticism.

Realistically it be more like 20 or #26 from Portland. Good ideas . I posted Portland trade the other day kinda like this.. and I like lauri at pick 6 too...

Would SA be interested in Rubio.. for some reason that makes more sense to me ..


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[minimus]

DeMarre Carroll is having a bad season/postseason. I wonder if TOR can trade him for cap relief.

[moss_is_1]

Kris Dunn for Danny Green? SAS need talent and athleticism at PG, we need veteran presence, perimeter defense and shooting. Draft Markkanen. Sign Khem Birch for 6mil/3yrs contract. Trade Aldrich for Crabbe + #15. Draft OG.

KAT/Dieng/Birch
Bjelica/Dieng/Markkanen
Wiggins/Crabbe/OG
Green/LaVine/Crabbe
Rubio/Jones/LaVine

That is a good combination of experience, offensive/defensive potential and athleticism.

This would be really selling low on Dunn. Green has been declining, and think we could find better use for Dunn in a trade. I'd rather just pay the extra ~$8m and trade for Wes Matthews. On the trade board Dallas fans are cool with Wes for Aldrich.

[Streakers33]

Sa and minny
Lma for Rubio and dubljevic
Both need a change of scenario and fills a need for both teams. The euro guy is a value big to give a shot in the system that everyone wins in

Dallas and minny
Wed Mathews for Cole Aldrich
Dallas wants out of wes and Cole saves cash and gets them a vet guy.

This I do If we can't steal Middleton away.. on bucks board it looked like
Middleton, Telly, Henson pick 17 for pick six, Dunn, and Cole


Portland and minny
Myers Lenard and pick 20 for Jordan hill (not guaranteed) and BJ
Saves 10 mil for Portland and gives a euro prospect


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[moss_is_1]

Sa and minny
Lma for Rubio and dubljevic
Both need a change of scenario and fills a need for both teams. The euro guy is a value big to give a shot in the system that everyone wins in

Dallas and minny
Wed Mathews for Cole Aldrich
Dallas wants out of wes and Cole saves cash and gets them a vet guy.

This I do If we can't steal Middleton away.. on bucks board it looked like
Middleton, Telly, Henson pick 17 for pick six, Dunn, and Cole


Portland and minny
Myers Lenard and pick 20 for Jordan hill (not guaranteed) and BJ
Saves 10 mil for Portland and gives a euro prospect


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Are we doing all this ideas? Or just putting them out there? Otherwise we'd have an overload of SG's, and no PG.

[Streakers33]

Was throwing things out there cuz obviously a team could and would say no to some stuff.. And I curious on opinions on what people think.. i truely think this is the year we buy talent and build this team that way..
this is also an idea thrown around

Dallas gets Rubio and we get wes Mathews and pick 9..

I agree it's a ton of sg.. as of right now dunn is a sg and has shown that tyus is a better pg than him.. so I trading Dunn to bucks for a better sg . I player in Middleton that makes this team better now
I don't see San Antonio trading lma.. so that idea I kinda just scrapping. They don't move on from free agent signings . They ride them out good or bad..


I am just hoping to get people's reaction and opinions..
thanks!!

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