Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[Truebiscuit]

Oh I get it, trust me. Jimmy Butler isn't a car and you didn't trade for him to get a year of his service. He's also in his prime so the car example is extremely poor. That trade was made with the hope to retain his services for the long-term. You don't give up multiple lottery picks (players) to play someone for a year. Or maybe you do, and that's why you're the Timberwolves *shrug*. I genuinely feel bad for ya'll, Jimmy Butler is a Grade-A piece of **** and you got screwed because of it.

Lol. Back away from the keyboard, and please no more embarrassing , “two years of Butler is the same as one year of Butler” comparisons. That’s not how the transitive property works.

It's hard to believe he still doesn't understand after you laid it out for him multiple times. We traded for Jimmy Butler with 2 years left on his deal to try to make a leap. It didn't really work, and now he has less that a year left and is currently demanding a trade and sabotaging the organization. Of course he is worth less now. You even used a different analogy to reset the context.

BUT JIMMY BUTLER ISN'T A CAR

I'm glad you sold low then?

[Jedzz]

The Wolves will still be capped out, so they gain no caproom. So I would assume more trades on the horizon? 110 mill commited to next season.

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Teague is likely to be next.

I could see that, but If salaries always have to be close in a trade, how does another trade help unless we do a salary dump?

[PharmD]

Capela and Towns has nothing to do with Covington/LaVine. My preferences are Towns and Covington. Guess what? Those are who the Wolves will have now.

What kind of defense do you expect from a Towns/Saric pairing? It's awful on paper. Just curious because defense seems to be of the most importance to you.

Towns is getting better on Defense every day. Saric I'm not sure about his D. I hear it's below average. However, a Wiggins/Lavine pairing on the wings would give up 140 PPG. Covington offsetting Wiggins D will at least be average at the wings.

(when we started lavine/wiggins we gave up fewer ppg than when we started butler/wiggins)

[Sixerscan]

LOVE Dario and Rock. Wish them the best. Timberwolves are my west coast team now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

THERE is where Minnesota messed up IF Patton stays healthy .

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two surgeries on the same bad foot! wtf is there to miss? the guy will be lucky to have an NBA career being that big with a bum foot.

Patton's injuries have been to both feet which isn't a great sign. His left foot is what he broke last year and then had the cleanup preventative surgery at the beginning of this off season on. His current broken foot is his right foot.

It's very possible that due to his famed growth spurt his body isn't equipped to handle the athletic endeavors of a person his size.

Thanks for the information on Patton. It will be a shame if he doesn't return to his draft form.

Time will tell.

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[Jedzz]

Rose/Teague/Tyus
Wiggins/Okogie/CJ
Covington/Nunnally/Wiggins
Saric/Taj
Towns/Dieng

How's that look? Defensively, does that work?

[KGdaBom]

The thing is he is 27 right now. If we start referring to him as 28 right now that leaves open the possibility of him turning 29 very soon. He's 27 and that's the fact Jack. I see 6 good years for him with hopefully at minimum four of those years for us.

Naw man. Saying he's 27, or continuing to sell this 27 number is just selling a story.

You might have a better argument about his age being only 27 if he were to not be turning 28 until March of 2019 when the season is almost over. But that's just not the case. Our new baby boy will be 28 in a month. I'm sort of happy about that. I've had my fill of developing hopefuls.

As always, the best way to refer to a player in terms of age is the way BBREF does, the majority of games they play at an age in a season


This is RCov's age 28 season, Teague's age 30, etc
This is Wig's age 23 season even though he turns 24 in Feb
This is KAT's age 23 season even though he turns 23 next week

Keeps it simple

The best way to refer to their age is by actually using their age IMO. I also hate that the NBA gives heights in shoes to inflate the heights of the players. I know they don't play in bare feet, but their height is their height.

[Grubie024]

I guess man, I mean don't follow him that closely, but I remember before the extension he was shooting like 45% from 3 on high volume, which was of course an aberration. 36% is a lot less impressive and consistent with his career numbers. Whenever I check his box score it doesn't look good. He shoots like 40% from the field, which doesn't constitute a good shooter. But yeah, I guess 11.5 for an elite defender is the going rate these days

RoCo is 2nd in the NBA in combined steals and blocks last I checked. Behind only Rudy Gobert. That is some serious talent. I think that 11.5 million is below the going rate.

Maybe you're right, but Gobert is an elite offensive player as well. Best FG% in the league. I'd also like to clarify that 41% from the field isn't that bad for a 3&D guy, which Covington appears to be. For some reason I thought he was getting more than 11.5

I'm speechless

[FireMorey]

I had a very love/hate relationship with Cov during his time here, but I will say this was my favorite Covington game. This is the game Embiid hurt his knee 2 seasons ago and they needed to finish the game without him.

Watch on YouTube

[life_saver]

"Gobert is an elite offensive player" ....I keep seeing so many new gems on this forum everyday

[DaKid]

This is a win for us no matter how you look at it. Butler needed to go.

That said, Saric is 24, he will grow right alongside Kat and wigs. He will stretch the floor and give Kat more room down low. He will also help Wiggins by pulling another shot blocker out of the paint. Hopefully Wiggins will drive to the hoop more.

Covington brings pretty much the same defensive ability that Butler did but without demanding the ball on offense. That will help both Kat and Wiggins by giving them more touches.

Just a reminder but it seemed like most bulls fans hated the Butler trade at the time but I think most are happy now. I think that our fan base will probably feel the same by next year

[Jedzz]

As always, the best way to refer to a player in terms of age is the way BBREF does, the majority of games they play at an age in a season


This is RCov's age 28 season, Teague's age 30, etc
This is Wig's age 23 season even though he turns 24 in Feb
This is KAT's age 23 season even though he turns 23 next week

Keeps it simple

The best way to refer to their age is by actually using their age IMO. I also hate that the NBA gives heights in shoes to inflate the heights of the players. I know they don't play in bare feet, but their height is their height.

I'll ask you about his age again on December 15th and we can get over this hump. Everyone's way of calling age should come together then. No problem.

[FireMorey]

When is the next time you guys are on national TV or on NBA TV? I really want to tune in to see Saric and Covington.

[MN7725]

When is the next time you guys are on national TV or on NBA TV? I really want to tune in to see Saric and Covington.

Wed. 11/14 vs. Pelicans on ESPN
according to
https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/timberwolves-and-fox-sports-north-announce-2018-19-telecast-schedule

[Bucketgetter]

Lol. Back away from the keyboard, and please no more embarrassing , “two years of Butler is the same as one year of Butler” comparisons. That’s not how the transitive property works.

It's hard to believe he still doesn't understand after you laid it out for him multiple times. We traded for Jimmy Butler with 2 years left on his deal to try to make a leap. It didn't really work, and now he has less that a year left and is currently demanding a trade and sabotaging the organization. Of course he is worth less now. You even used a different analogy to reset the context.

BUT JIMMY BUTLER ISN'T A CAR

I'm glad you sold low then?

And so did the Bulls last year. That's what happens when you're forced to trade a star in the NBA. You usually don't get a good return. The fact that you can't see that they are two totally different situations with different value levels is pathetic.

[wildvikeswolves]

Lol. Back away from the keyboard, and please no more embarrassing , “two years of Butler is the same as one year of Butler” comparisons. That’s not how the transitive property works.

It's hard to believe he still doesn't understand after you laid it out for him multiple times. We traded for Jimmy Butler with 2 years left on his deal to try to make a leap. It didn't really work, and now he has less that a year left and is currently demanding a trade and sabotaging the organization. Of course he is worth less now. You even used a different analogy to reset the context.

BUT JIMMY BUTLER ISN'T A CAR

I'm glad you sold low then?

Thanks for being a good sport! Hope everything works out

[LibertyPrime]

Rose/Teague/Tyus
Wiggins/Okogie/CJ
Covington/Nunnally/Wiggins
Saric/Taj
Towns/Dieng

How's that look? Defensively, does that work?

In the past, I'd say no.... but since defense seems to largely be a thing of the past anyhoo, I think we might gain more from adding Saric's shooting than we lose by subtracting Taj's defense. What I like about that starting lineup is that we have five guys on the floor who can score from 3 pretty reliably.

[Dalvin]

YES! Finally that clown/punk is now out of here!

I wonder which team's honeymoon would last longer? Hoping we cork some 5-10 game winning streak where we show that punk we don't EFFIN' need him to win.

[packforfreedom]

the important thing is that it's over now. For me it feels like our real season starts just now.
I think the deal is okaaay. I'd have taken the the rockets picks because 'win now' moves feel stupid because we are probably bad without Jimmy, but who cares. Thibs will hopefully be gone in the offseason and we'll enjoy another rebuild. I always liked Covington but I hope that Okogie keeps getting his minutes. Can't say much about Saric, 6ers fans like much though.

oh and I hope Jimmy fails big time in Philadelphia.

[GooniousMaximus]

while like a lot of others anticipated butler coming to the Wolves..he seemed like a non-factor..though yes he was integral to getting us the post-season, this team can do it with the right staff. I really liked Covington for a while and this I think works out well for us, it may not be a superstar trade but I think we can quietly build a strong team.