Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell

[Whole Truth]

Memphis have 2 trade exceptions -

- a 25.5m TPE created in the Utah/Conley trade.
- a 8m TPE created in the Temple trade

2 non guaranteed contracts -

- Bradley 12m/2m guaranteed
- Korver 7.6m/3m guaranteed

In a market where several teams are vying for a PG. Memphis traded Conley to Utah pre draft for mainly cap space (large TPE), Korver's non guaranteed contract. Now why would Memphis do a pre draft trade before the PG dominoes fall & his value could increase in teams desperation to add a quality PG ? why would Minnesota trade up for a SG & let the remaining PG prospect (White) drop one spot behind, when he either fills a hole on roster or acts as insurance for missing out on a PG, FA or trade, in the same draft territory ?.

Of course it's an assumption but I think both these moves were linked. Why Minnesota believe they have a path to cap space being 7m over the cap threshold. Memphis are kicking off a rebuild where they can bury dead money for a couple seasons. They have a need at SG where Minnesota traded up to take Culver at 6 over White. I don't think Culver has a big enough edge on White to claim he was the clear BPA.

Wiggins 27m is too big to fit into the 25.5m TPE & Memphis can only use a large chunk, not all, without going into the tax.

Memphis trade - (Teague 19m) for (TPE 19)
Memphis trade - (Crowder 7.8m, Korver 7.6m/3m Guaranteed, K. Anderson 9M) for (Wiggins, Culver, protected FRP)

Memphis waive Bradley to shed 10m to keep them from going into luxury tax, while Minnesota dump Wiggins, shed 33m cap including Culvers 5m cap hold for roughly 85m total savings. (Brooklyn paid 2 mid to late firsts for 18m cap / 33m savings).

Do Minnesota fans think Culver & a protected first an overpayment for an expiring stretch 3&D SF/PF in Crowder which replaces the loss of Saric, a young 3&D wing in K. Anderson who doesn't fit Memphis new up tempo pace but gives a young 3&D wing in return, while dropping Wiggins 4yr/120m contract, in order to sign Russell?.

P.S to the fan thinking Kings could be an option, they just inked Barnes to 4yrs/88m.

[DaKid]

Some team will be willing to take on teague's expiring contract if they feel they aren't going to draw any of the top tier free agents this year. Attach kbd and a guaranteed Reynolds contract and you have enough space to trade for Russell's max contract. Obviously that means that Irving has to go to the nets and DLo has to want to come here but I don't think there is any reason to give up any other assets

[delux55]

I'm all for getting Russel but I'm not willing to give up Culver or any first round picks to get him. So if that doesnt get him so be it

[LaViggins]

Nets extend QO to Russell

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[My Main Man]

Sorry if I missed this but do we have any idea whether DLO is even interested in coming here? I read something about him being intrigued by the Lakers but haven't heard anything about us. I'm assuming the free agent discussion with KAT that Redick mentioned on his podcast was with DLO and there had to be some sort of -wink wink- i could live in Minnesota if there was room for me -wink wink- that Rosas knows about but wondering if there have been any rumblings from the man himself.

[shrink]

Nets extend QO to Russell

No surprise, so they have match rights.

They can pull the QO whenever they want. Russell won’t sign it - he can do better anywhere.

[shrink]

Sorry if I missed this but do we have any idea whether DLO is even interested in coming here? I read something about him being intrigued by the Lakers but haven't heard anything about us. I'm assuming the free agent discussion with KAT that Redick mentioned on his podcast was with DLO and there had to be some sort of -wink wink- i could live in Minnesota if there was room for me -wink wink- that Rosas knows about but wondering if there have been any rumblings from the man himself.

A BRK fan pointed this out to me last week, and I think he was right - we just assume he wants to be here with KAT.

Publicly, he has only endorsed coming back to the Nets, which is exactly what he’s supposed to say.

[Krapinsky]

I just realized that Russell only played 30 min per game last season. His per 36 numbers are 25.2 pts, 8.3 asts, and 4.6 rbs.

[LaViggins]

Nets extend QO to Russell

No surprise, so they have match rights.

They can pull the QO whenever they want. Russell won’t sign it - he can do better anywhere.

Yep. They must think they have other free agents interested or maybe they or Russell know that he wont be a part of future plans.

[Norseman79]

Memphis have 2 trade exceptions -

- a 25.5m TPE created in the Utah/Conley trade.
- a 8m TPE created in the Temple trade

2 non guaranteed contracts -

- Bradley 12m/2m guaranteed
- Korver 7.6m/3m guaranteed

In a market where several teams are vying for a PG. Memphis traded Conley to Utah pre draft for mainly cap space (large TPE), Korver's non guaranteed contract. Now why would Memphis do a pre draft trade before the PG dominoes fall & his value could increase in teams desperation to add a quality PG ? why would Minnesota trade up for a SG & let the remaining PG prospect (White) drop one spot behind, when he either fills a hole on roster or acts as insurance for missing out on a PG, FA or trade, in the same draft territory ?.

Of course it's an assumption but I think both these moves were linked. Why Minnesota believe they have a path to cap space being 7m over the cap threshold. Memphis are kicking off a rebuild where they can bury dead money for a couple seasons. They have a need at SG where Minnesota traded up to take Culver at 6 over White. I don't think Culver has a big enough edge on White to claim he was the clear BPA.

Wiggins 27m is too big to fit into the 25.5m TPE & Memphis can only use a large chunk, not all, without going into the tax.

Memphis trade - (Teague 19m) for (TPE 19)
Memphis trade - (Crowder 7.8m, Korver 7.6m/3m Guaranteed, K. Anderson 9M) for (Wiggins, Culver, protected FRP)

Memphis waive Bradley to shed 10m to keep them from going into luxury tax, while Minnesota dump Wiggins, shed 33m cap including Culvers 5m cap hold for roughly 85m total savings. (Brooklyn paid 2 mid to late firsts for 18m cap / 33m savings).

Do Minnesota fans think Culver & a protected first an overpayment for an expiring stretch 3&D SF/PF in Crowder which replaces the loss of Saric, a young 3&D wing in K. Anderson who doesn't fit Memphis new up tempo pace but gives a young 3&D wing in return, while dropping Wiggins 4yr/120m contract, in order to sign Russell?.

P.S to the fan thinking Kings could be an option, they just inked Barnes to 4yrs/88m.

Swap Okoge for Culver and I am game.

[Krapinsky]

I for one wouldn't mind keeping Wiggins one more year, pairing him with Russell who by all accounts is fun to play with, and see how he does with a new front office and no Butler stealing his mojo.

NOPE

He's had enough chances here. It's time to move on ESPECIALLY if he can somehow be moved for cheap.

Take both Rose and Wiggins off our roster and I struggle to figure out how we score 90 points in a game next year.

[KGdaBom]

Memphis have 2 trade exceptions -

- a 25.5m TPE created in the Utah/Conley trade.
- a 8m TPE created in the Temple trade

2 non guaranteed contracts -

- Bradley 12m/2m guaranteed
- Korver 7.6m/3m guaranteed

In a market where several teams are vying for a PG. Memphis traded Conley to Utah pre draft for mainly cap space (large TPE), Korver's non guaranteed contract. Now why would Memphis do a pre draft trade before the PG dominoes fall & his value could increase in teams desperation to add a quality PG ? why would Minnesota trade up for a SG & let the remaining PG prospect (White) drop one spot behind, when he either fills a hole on roster or acts as insurance for missing out on a PG, FA or trade, in the same draft territory ?.

Of course it's an assumption but I think both these moves were linked. Why Minnesota believe they have a path to cap space being 7m over the cap threshold. Memphis are kicking off a rebuild where they can bury dead money for a couple seasons. They have a need at SG where Minnesota traded up to take Culver at 6 over White. I don't think Culver has a big enough edge on White to claim he was the clear BPA.

Wiggins 27m is too big to fit into the 25.5m TPE & Memphis can only use a large chunk, not all, without going into the tax.

Memphis trade - (Teague 19m) for (TPE 19)
Memphis trade - (Crowder 7.8m, Korver 7.6m/3m Guaranteed, K. Anderson 9M) for (Wiggins, Culver, protected FRP)

Memphis waive Bradley to shed 10m to keep them from going into luxury tax, while Minnesota dump Wiggins, shed 33m cap including Culvers 5m cap hold for roughly 85m total savings. (Brooklyn paid 2 mid to late firsts for 18m cap / 33m savings).

Do Minnesota fans think Culver & a protected first an overpayment for an expiring stretch 3&D SF/PF in Crowder which replaces the loss of Saric, a young 3&D wing in K. Anderson who doesn't fit Memphis new up tempo pace but gives a young 3&D wing in return, while dropping Wiggins 4yr/120m contract, in order to sign Russell?.

P.S to the fan thinking Kings could be an option, they just inked Barnes to 4yrs/88m.

Every draft analyst considered Culver the clear BPA over White.

[KGdaBom]

I just realized that Russell only played 30 min per game last season. His per 36 numbers are 25.2 pts, 8.3 asts, and 4.6 rbs.

Huge numbers.

[Jedzz]

I just realized that Russell only played 30 min per game last season. His per 36 numbers are 25.2 pts, 8.3 asts, and 4.6 rbs.

That's helpful info. But for us to get excited we would be assuming playing over 30 minutes won't cause a drop off. 30 minutes might have been a bit of a sweet spot for him, and their coach found it.

[Nick K]

Memphis have 2 trade exceptions -

- a 25.5m TPE created in the Utah/Conley trade.
- a 8m TPE created in the Temple trade

2 non guaranteed contracts -

- Bradley 12m/2m guaranteed
- Korver 7.6m/3m guaranteed

In a market where several teams are vying for a PG. Memphis traded Conley to Utah pre draft for mainly cap space (large TPE), Korver's non guaranteed contract. Now why would Memphis do a pre draft trade before the PG dominoes fall & his value could increase in teams desperation to add a quality PG ? why would Minnesota trade up for a SG & let the remaining PG prospect (White) drop one spot behind, when he either fills a hole on roster or acts as insurance for missing out on a PG, FA or trade, in the same draft territory ?.

Of course it's an assumption but I think both these moves were linked. Why Minnesota believe they have a path to cap space being 7m over the cap threshold. Memphis are kicking off a rebuild where they can bury dead money for a couple seasons. They have a need at SG where Minnesota traded up to take Culver at 6 over White. I don't think Culver has a big enough edge on White to claim he was the clear BPA.

Wiggins 27m is too big to fit into the 25.5m TPE & Memphis can only use a large chunk, not all, without going into the tax.

Memphis trade - (Teague 19m) for (TPE 19)
Memphis trade - (Crowder 7.8m, Korver 7.6m/3m Guaranteed, K. Anderson 9M) for (Wiggins, Culver, protected FRP)

Memphis waive Bradley to shed 10m to keep them from going into luxury tax, while Minnesota dump Wiggins, shed 33m cap including Culvers 5m cap hold for roughly 85m total savings. (Brooklyn paid 2 mid to late firsts for 18m cap / 33m savings).

Do Minnesota fans think Culver & a protected first an overpayment for an expiring stretch 3&D SF/PF in Crowder which replaces the loss of Saric, a young 3&D wing in K. Anderson who doesn't fit Memphis new up tempo pace but gives a young 3&D wing in return, while dropping Wiggins 4yr/120m contract, in order to sign Russell?.

P.S to the fan thinking Kings could be an option, they just inked Barnes to 4yrs/88m.

You were doing great until you included Culver. No way do ou include Culver. We drafted Culver to replace Wigs.

Memphis is starting over. As a number 1 or 2 option Wigs is still a 20 pt guy a night. You can argue efficiency but it's up to Memphis to take all that raw talent and improve it. It's not like they are getting a guy who can't play.

[shangrila]

I for one wouldn't mind keeping Wiggins one more year, pairing him with Russell who by all accounts is fun to play with, and see how he does with a new front office and no Butler stealing his mojo.

NOPE

He's had enough chances here. It's time to move on ESPECIALLY if he can somehow be moved for cheap.

Take both Rose and Wiggins off our roster and I struggle to figure out how we score 90 points in a game next year.

Efficiently?

Wiggins was 118th out of 120 in eFG% and 190th out of 199 in TS% but was 2nd on the team in FGAs. If we just want to replace that 18ppg and not give a crap about how many shots it takes we could easily find someone. I mean, just give 8 guys 2 extra shots a game and we probably come out ahead.

Rose would be more difficult to replace (though I thought we were talking about Wiggs so not sure why he's come up) but it's not like he didn't have his share of issues. His 3pt% nosedived after some ridiculous early shooting, finishing the last 3 months of the season shooting 19%, 7% and 0% respectively. So getting a more consistent floor spacer might improve the offence as a whole even if individually they can't replace Rose's PPG.

And this doesn't take into account things like what impact Culver or Nowell might have, or what will happen with shot distribution with Cov back.

I just don't see how you could hold onto Wiggins if a good (i.e. inexpensive) trade came along. He's shown no signs of growth thus far, the player he is right now is worthless and it would take a minor miracle to find someone who either likes what he is or still somehow believes in his potential. You just have to do that deal if it's presented, whether you can replace him on paper or not.

[KGdaBom]

NOPE

He's had enough chances here. It's time to move on ESPECIALLY if he can somehow be moved for cheap.

Take both Rose and Wiggins off our roster and I struggle to figure out how we score 90 points in a game next year.

Efficiently?

Wiggins was 118th out of 120 in eFG% and 190th out of 199 in TS% but was 2nd on the team in FGAs. If we just want to replace that 18ppg and not give a crap about how many shots it takes we could easily find someone. I mean, just give 8 guys 2 extra shots a game and we probably come out ahead.

Rose would be more difficult to replace (though I thought we were talking about Wiggs so not sure why he's come up) but it's not like he didn't have his share of issues. His 3pt% nosedived after some ridiculous early shooting, finishing the last 3 months of the season shooting 19%, 7% and 0% respectively. So getting a more consistent floor spacer might improve the offence as a whole even if individually they can't replace Rose's PPG.

And this doesn't take into account things like what impact Culver or Nowell might have, or what will happen with shot distribution with Cov back.

I just don't see how you could hold onto Wiggins if a good (i.e. inexpensive) trade came along. He's shown no signs of growth thus far, the player he is right now is worthless and it would take a minor miracle to find someone who either likes what he is or still somehow believes in his potential. You just have to do that deal if it's presented, whether you can replace him on paper or not.

This was the post of the day. You spelled it out. In any objective way of looking at it Wiggins is HORRIBLE and getting paid a MAX contract. If we can get rid of him without having to pay through the nose it will be a miracle.

[GeekFreak]

I don't know what Wiggins is doing this summer, but I do know one thing he is not doing. He is NOT LIFTING WEIGHTS. ...it's against his religion or something?

[KGdaBom]

I don't know what Wiggins is doing this summer, but I do know one thing he is not doing. He is NOT LIFTING WEIGHTS. ...it's against his religion or something?

I think he has been lifting weights a lot. He just has a wiry body that doesn't put on weight or muscle.

[andyhop]

I just realized that Russell only played 30 min per game last season. His per 36 numbers are 25.2 pts, 8.3 asts, and 4.6 rbs.

Huge numbers.

And if he could do it on better than Rubio level efficiency it would be really good