The D'Angelo Russell Thread

[BlacJacMac]

I would love to have Dejounte Murray on this team. He earns half of what DLO does...

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After this season I don't know how we can acquire him..

Without giving up Ant, we can't.

[Note30]

I would love to have Dejounte Murray on this team. He earns half of what DLO does...

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After this season I don't know how we can acquire him..

Without giving up Ant, we can't.

He's on a **** team that has gone nowhere in the past 3 seasons. Pop might still retire. If that happens Murray is an expiring contract after next year.

I think it's definitely possibly. 2 UFRPs + #19 and Dlo should get it done.

[BlacJacMac]

After this season I don't know how we can acquire him..

Without giving up Ant, we can't.

He's on a **** team that has gone nowhere in the past 3 seasons. Pop might still retire. If that happens Murray is an expiring contract after next year.

I think it's definitely possibly. 2 UFRPs + #19 and Dlo should get it done.

I'd imagine at least a handful of teams would crush that offer. They aren't getting a star or any (likely) lottery picks in return for him.

[thinktank]

Unless Gupta can pull some magic and trade DLo for a better PG, I do believe that the best scenario would be resign DLo for 24mil per year AND sign GR2 for 5-6mil deal. Or DLo for 21 mil per year AND DiVincenzo for 7-9 mil.

Can we please use people’s names? (GR2? Is this a well known nickname?)

[BlacJacMac]

Unless Gupta can pull some magic and trade DLo for a better PG, I do believe that the best scenario would be resign DLo for 24mil per year AND sign GR2 for 5-6mil deal. Or DLo for 21 mil per year AND DiVincenzo for 7-9 mil.

Can we please use people’s names? (GR2? Is this a well known nickname?)

I was wondering that too. Maybe he means Gary Payton II?

At first I thought he meant Glenn Robinson's kid, but he's a "III" - and 5-6M seems steep for a guy who didn't even play in the NBA this year...

[moss_is_1]

Unless Gupta can pull some magic and trade DLo for a better PG, I do believe that the best scenario would be resign DLo for 24mil per year AND sign GR2 for 5-6mil deal. Or DLo for 21 mil per year AND DiVincenzo for 7-9 mil.

Can we please use people’s names? (GR2? Is this a well known nickname?)

Assuming he means Gary Payton II?

If so, I'm ok with him at 5-6 mil, but if we sign him then why not just bring back Okogie for the right price? Payton is better but he's 29, can't really shoot the 3 and who knows how he is gonna look outside GS. IF Okogie would come back cheap I just think he would be so valuable if he can just develop somewhat of an offensive game(jumper or finishing), his defense is so good and he's still so young young and athletic.

[Dewey]

I do not believe DLo is an ingredient to a championship team … move on. I have no interest in overpaying players who’ve shown a lack of will

[moss_is_1]

We really got bent over trading Wiggins and a 1st for him. Would've been interesting to see how Wiggins would play under Finch or if he would've continued to be underwhelming.

[m2002brian]

[minimus]

Unless Gupta can pull some magic and trade DLo for a better PG, I do believe that the best scenario would be resign DLo for 24mil per year AND sign GR2 for 5-6mil deal. Or DLo for 21 mil per year AND DiVincenzo for 7-9 mil.

Can we please use people’s names? (GR2? Is this a well known nickname?)

Assuming he means Gary Payton II?

If so, I'm ok with him at 5-6 mil, but if we sign him then why not just bring back Okogie for the right price? Payton is better but he's 29, can't really shoot the 3 and who knows how he is gonna look outside GS. IF Okogie would come back cheap I just think he would be so valuable if he can just develop somewhat of an offensive game(jumper or finishing), his defense is so good and he's still so young young and athletic.

Yes, I mean Gary Payton Jr., I saw GP2 abbreviation several times, that's why I thought it is well known, just like we write Ant instead of Edwards.

My main idea is that it is almost impossible, unrealistic to get better point guard than DLo, but if after this series in playoffs we can negotiate a discount then it would be a working solution because we can add another player, who can cover DLo weaknesses.

For instance,

DLo brings shooting, passing, pace control
Gary Payton Jr. brings PoA defense, off the ball movement

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[Neeva]

We really got bent over trading Wiggins and a 1st for him. Would've been interesting to see how Wiggins would play under Finch or if he would've continued to be underwhelming.

Plus we probably suck enough in 2020-2021 to get Barnes or Mobley, that trade might have killed any championship hope in the future. Rosas was an impatient ****! I knew dlos trade value would keep getting lower and lower if the wolves waited!!

[shangrila]

It's GP2, not GR2.

[minimus]

It's GP2, not GR2.

My bad

[jscott]

All of you guys worried about the Wiggins/DLo trade should maybe consider that we might not have ended up with Ant if not for how DLo played for us. Could have ended up with Wiseman instead.

Tough to look back on things like this and make it a black and white “we should have done this” when there are so many ripples (and in our case a lot of positive ones) after the fact.

Let me ask this, if 2.5 years ago I had told you “we deal Wiggins and a 1st and will be competitive in 2 years” would you have done it?

TBH I don’t think we’d be the same team with Andrew still on this squad. I am by no means a huge DLo guy either (go back and check my posts, I was against it at the time) but I am happy where we are and maybe more importantly - where we are headed.

[Baseline81]

Plus we probably suck enough in 2020-2021 to get Barnes or Mobley, that trade might have killed any championship hope in the future. Rosas was an impatient ****! I knew dlos trade value would keep getting lower and lower if the wolves waited!!

No guarantee Wolves would have been in position to draft Edwards if the Wiggins-Russell trade didn't happen.

[life_saver]

eh..why are we doing revisional history regarding DLo trade? That was a move which Wolves had to made and almost everyone here were happy with the trade back then...that team with Wiggins as one of 2 main options on the team was going nowhere. DLo still had a pretty good impact on the team in regular season, better than any Wiggins season here...he just couldn't translate it to post-season. I just wish we had better protections on the pick but it's also unfortunate that the team suffered ton of injuries in 2020-21 season

[LibertyPrime]

I'm definitely in the minority here, but I think we should keep him. I wouldn't offer the max, knowing that no other team will either. Instead, I'd start at $12-15/year contract and see where negotiations go.

It may be hard to see, in the dying light of the embers of the playoff crash, but D'Lo was an important piece of the team this last year. He did not do well in the playoffs, but that's likely inexperience - we know that he's capable of performing well in high-pressure situations (how soon we forget the play-in game....) There's a ton of games we would not have won had he not bailed us out with his shooting. And his passing skills are often overlooked in favor of his scoring. Plus, it's easy to say, trade him for something better, but we're not getting a current all-star (Murray) for him.

If he would accept a super-sub/part-time starter role like he did in Brooklyn, I think that would be ideal. I'm not saying, keep him at all costs - I'm saying, what is the cost? If he wants $20 million or more, I balk at that and let him test the market.

[life_saver]

I'm definitely in the minority here, but I think we should keep him. I wouldn't offer the max, knowing that no other team will either. Instead, I'd start at $12-15/year contract and see where negotiations go.

It may be hard to see, in the dying light of the embers of the playoff crash, but D'Lo was an important piece of the team this last year. He did not do well in the playoffs, but that's likely inexperience - we know that he's capable of performing well in high-pressure situations (how soon we forget the play-in game....) There's a ton of games we would not have won had he not bailed us out with his shooting. And his passing skills are often overlooked in favor of his scoring. Plus, it's easy to say, trade him for something better, but we're not getting a current all-star (Murray) for him.

If he would accept a super-sub/part-time starter role like he did in Brooklyn, I think that would be ideal. I'm not saying, keep him at all costs - I'm saying, what is the cost? If he wants $20 million or more, I balk at that and let him test the market.

I would definitely like to keep DLo at $15M-$18M range but I think there is close to zero chance of him accepting something in that range. If not max, he will probably expecting something in the range of $25M+ per year

[Klomp]

Two important things to note:

1. He was not traded for by the current POBO. This one is widely known, remembered and understood.
2. He was not traded for to play in this current system. This is something that isn't discussed as often but the Finch offense really doesn't revolve around ball-dominant, offensive-minded PGs. I think it's part of why the offense hums along when McLaughlin is out there. You can even say Russell was more SG than PG, which could explain the struggles in the first half of the season when Beverley was sidelined.

[minimus]

Two important things to note:

1. He was not traded for by the current POBO. This one is widely known, remembered and understood.
2. He was not traded for to play in this current system. This is something that isn't discussed as often but the Finch offense really doesn't revolve around ball-dominant, offensive-minded PGs. I think it's part of why the offense hums along when McLaughlin is out there. You can even say Russell was more SG than PG, which could explain the struggles in the first half of the season when Beverley was sidelined.

DLo thrives in spread PnR / motion offense (BRO example), but what type of PG / system wants Finch? Similar to NOP with Cousins and AD? Or DEN? Maybe DLo can be integrated organically?