Trade Talk (Part Five)

[KGdaBom]

Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....

I'm not saying you're wrong, but on a team that pays D'Lo the max, that is going to happen. He is not even the best player on the team.

Middleton is much better than Russell.

[jscott]

Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....

I'm not saying you're wrong, but on a team that pays D'Lo the max, that is going to happen. He is not even the best player on the team.

Middleton is much better than Russell.

But also way older. He doesn’t fit the timeline.

No interest in him from me. Especially for 1.

[KGdaBom]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but on a team that pays D'Lo the max, that is going to happen. He is not even the best player on the team.

Middleton is much better than Russell.

But also way older. He doesn’t fit the timeline.

No interest in him from me. Especially for 1.

Players win. Timelines don't.

[zimpy27]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but on a team that pays D'Lo the max, that is going to happen. He is not even the best player on the team.

Middleton is much better than Russell.

But also way older. He doesn’t fit the timeline.

No interest in him from me. Especially for 1.

Middleton contract is as long as KATs, the timeline is until KAT is an unrestricted free agent.

You need to be good before KAT is a UFA or lose him. I don't think KAT needs a guy his age.

[Jedzz]

Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....

I'm not saying you're wrong, but on a team that pays D'Lo the max, that is going to happen. He is not even the best player on the team.

Dlo and Kat are no longer young players. They can start leading this team and the rest of it can be young if they find the right players. One more vet would be good. It's really too bad Johnson's contract is what it is. I'd like it if he could stay.

Also hope someone like Tillman can make it to 33 but I think he's going to be gone by 25 range. Maybe they can swing the Gordon thing yet. Still want more shooters badly with Beasley current issues going on. I'm kind of against taking on overpaid just above average players in the 30s. They might come in bumping heads with Towns in no time. Maybe they have someone in mind.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

No to Middleton. He folds when asked to be “the man”... and we really don’t need another 30 million a year contract when other needs need to be addressed

[Domejandro]

Read on Twitter

Copying myself from another thread, I think there is a lot of potential for a....

OKC: Expiring + Kelly Oubre + Asset
OUT: Chris Paul

PHX: Chris Paul
OUT: Ricky Rubio and Kelly Oubre

3RD: Ricky Rubio
OUT: Expiring + Asset

....type of trade in the works.

[shangrila]

Take Middleton and run.

He's not that old and he's an elite offensive player with good, maybe great, defence. Those don't grow on trees. Holding out for something better because "he doesn't fit the timeline" or "he's not good enough to be THE MAN" would be stupid. Simmons, Booker, guys like that aren't available. We need to start improving. Losing Culver would hurt but if it's just him, the 1st pick and JJ we're not really hurting our future.

[Neeva]

Take Middleton and run.

He's not that old and he's an elite offensive player with good, maybe great, defence. Those don't grow on trees. Holding out for something better because "he doesn't fit the timeline" or "he's not good enough to be THE MAN" would be stupid. Simmons, Booker, guys like that aren't available. We need to start improving. Losing Culver would hurt but if it's just him, the 1st pick and JJ we're not really hurting our future.

Settling for Middleton is such a wolves move. He’s barely a decent second man, as has shown with the bucks choke jobs in the past two playoffs. Why do you think the bucks want to move him?? HE is paid like a superstar and he is barely an all star in the east, in the west not likely.

[jpatrick]

If you add Middleton, this team makes the playoffs in the 6-8 range for the next couple years and is bounced in the first round. With absolutely no ability to improve the team bc we have three 30m+/yr players, Towns demands a trade and we start over.

I just don’t trade the “chance” for a star unless we can get someone that is a star or has star upside. Middleton and Jrue Holiday are who they are and actually will probably decline over the next few years as they go they early/mid 30s.

[younggunsmn]

I don't think we can afford Middleton's contract, we wouldnt be able to field a team without going into the lux for multiple years and paying the repeater tax.
And I don't think the Bucks would move him without something very win-now coming back, certainly not this offseason when they need to do everything they can to win to get Giannis to stay next summer.

[Neeva]

Three team trade?

SGA, Oubre to Wolves
1, Rubio, Nowell, 10, JJ, Spellman to OKC
Paul to Suns

I am greedy though and my hope would be for Rosas to trade down to 3 first and get assets from the Hornets. Select Lamelo Ball at 3 and trade him and JJ, and the filler listed above for SGA and Oubre.

[Chello1]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....

Call me strange, but I prefer 7-8 seed over fighting it out for the #1 pick in the draft.

Can we be patient and build this right. We saw what happened when we rushed it with Butler. We need to be patient and build it right. Rosas cannot fix the ills of decades of mismanagement in a year or two. If we rush into Middleton for a brief stay at the number 7 playoff seed and watch Ball or Wiseman or whoever turn into a stud we will watch Towns walk out the door in three years.

[Chello1]

would assume that it wouldn't be completed until Ball signs his contract which would be $9.5 mil +

but yeah, hard to tell where the pieces would be going

Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Ball fits worse with the Kings than he does here. Middleton had already shown that he’s not good enough to be a #2 on a championship team. Do we want to pay him 40m per year in his mid 30s when he’s already shown this?

I still think that unless we can get a true star (Simmons, Booker, Beal) you either keep the pick or you trade down and pick up an asset. I don’t want to move the #1 for a borderline all star that is or about to be overpaid for his 30+ age seasons (Holiday, Middleton, etc).

Not the route I would go either, but it's pretty likely that this draft's #1 isn't valued that high
Most of the talk I've heard is that there are 8+ guys next year that would be clear #1 in this draft

So if the Wolves are thinking they are not going to have a package for a "star" level player since they already owe next year's pick, Middleton would be the next tier down player if they wanted to go that route

Wolves might be getting back #12 from Sac in this scenario, and its possible Wolves internally like some of the guys projected there as much as those near the top

idk, seems strange all around

You wait until draft day and we will see what this draft pick is worth. Lots of people bad mouthing it but I don't see many 6'8'' passing guards go in the draft every year even with his warts. Someone is in love with the Ball kid and Wiseman. We just need to be patient and extract as many assets as we can. Those best offers will not come until draft day. What you are hearing right now is bottom line type offers to kick the tires and see if we will bite. See if Rosas is any good at showdown I trust our gunslinger until he proves otherwise. The guy unloaded and actually got a good return for The player who shall remain nameless.... Lets see what he can do playing teams off of each other. And if it isn't a kings ransom it sounds like we stay at one and take Ball.... I like Wiseman better but that is just my opinion. I do not trade this pick unless someone is willing to bleed for it. Someone out there has mancrush on one of these guys... We will find that person and hold them up or keep the pick.

[Chello1]

How do the Wolves build a team around the contracts of Russell, Middleton and Towns (combined salaries are $91M for 2020-21)?

Additionally, how do you view Middleton as an asset? Is he someone that could be flipped along with other assets for a star in a year or two?

Thank you!!!!!!!

[Chello1]

"If you talk to the teams in the top 10 they are very excited about #Melo. I'm hearing some of the offers being made to #Minnesota + they're pretty good..."

Zach Lowe

You wait and see! Some of these G.M.'s can't help themselves

[Chello1]

Hornets#3+Bridges for #1 and JJ. Maybe Topping or O.O at #3..or Culver+17 for Gordon. Then sign Joe Harris for the MLE. Dlo/Harris/Bridges/Gordon or Toppin or Onyeka/Towns.

Just for the #1 and we will get more than that for the pick! No Culver included in that deal.....

[Chello1]

Take Middleton and run.

He's not that old and he's an elite offensive player with good, maybe great, defence. Those don't grow on trees. Holding out for something better because "he doesn't fit the timeline" or "he's not good enough to be THE MAN" would be stupid. Simmons, Booker, guys like that aren't available. We need to start improving. Losing Culver would hurt but if it's just him, the 1st pick and JJ we're not really hurting our future.

Why would a team on the cusp of going to the championship want to trade their star player? Because he is far from a star player and not worth his contract. Thereis a reason they would trade him.... Because with him they can't win.... Why do wolves fans always aim so low.... This is a new regime with a guy who knows what he is doing. Lets see what he has cooking.

[shrink]

Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....

Middleton is a perfect fit in terms of positional need. He can make work even relatively inexperienced lineup such as KAT-Vando-Middleton-Okogie-DLo work

I don’t see how we afford him at. $33,051,724 $35,500,000 $37,948,276 $40,396,552

We also need to send out $26.36 mil to salary match. That’s tough

$16.0 Johnson
$6.1 Culver
$3.8 Layman
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$25.9

Although we could pick the #1 for them and wait a month, to add that salary, like we did with Wiggins. If rookie scale turns out to be the same as 2019, that would be $9.76.

[Neeva]

Do we really want to go all in on Middleton? God no! Then we are in the same position we are with the Holiday move. We are now stuck with a roster that may get you an 7 or 8 seed for the next few years with zero cap room to make any other moves.....

Middleton is a perfect fit in terms of positional need. He can make work even relatively inexperienced lineup such as KAT-Vando-Middleton-Okogie-DLo work

I don’t see how we afford him at. $33,051,724 $35,500,000 $37,948,276 $40,396,552

Major reason why the bucks are trying to unload him, and praying his play doesn’t fall off a cliff in his 30’s.