Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[Klomp]

Free agency will probably be bargain bin hunting, especially if we bring back Naz/Naw we will be strapped. However some options out there for good players.

Jordan Clarkson - Bruce Brown - DDV - Schroeder - Kj Martin - Tre Jones(maybe could work a sign and trade?) - Seth Curry - Thybulle(if we lost NAW, could use his defense?) - Max Struss - Thomas Bryant(if we lose Naz) - Jevon Carter - Jae Crowder - Plumlee - Torrey Craig - Yuta Watanabe - Dennis Smith - Trey Lyles - Damion Lee - Gabe Vincent - Anthony Lamb - Pat Bev.

My dream scenario is Clarkson will accept the MLE

[shrink]

So the plan is to get NAW, plus either Naz OR the MLE to stay under the lux, right?

[wolves_89]

So the plan is to get NAW, plus either Naz OR the MLE to stay under the lux, right?

I look at the plan as keeping NAW and then choosing 2 out of 3 from the Naz/Prince/MLE group.

[minimus]

Does Theo Maledon have any connections with our FO? Or maybe he played with Gobert in national team? Is he worth time investment as 3rd string PG?

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[GopherIt!]

So the plan is to get NAW, plus either Naz OR the MLE to stay under the lux, right?

naw

[minimus]

Towns for DFS, Joe Harris, BRO 2023 FRP, DAL or PHX 2029 FRP

Gobert/Reid/Garza
DFS/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Harris
Edwards/Harris/Moore
Conley/NAW/JMac

Harris 20 mil contract expires after 2023-24, (as well as 18mil from TP and KA contracts). DFS 15 mil contract expires after 2025-26

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In context of DFS news I would consider my initial trade for following reasons:

1) DFS is versatile big wing who is highly compatible with Gobert/Reid. And I wonder if Gobert-DFS-MCD-Edwards-Conley lineup can be top-5 defensive lineup in NBA. As for DFS woeful shooting this season, I wonder whether he can shoot better after surgery

2) Harris is a proven shooter who can make easier for our players to run both spread pick-n-rolls and free flow offense.

3) timeline of Harris and DFS contracts fits Edwards and MCD extensions well

4) Towns will play for his hometown, big city. He also will have a chance to be a star in a good team.

[shrink]

How can we get Tyus back here?

I’d love to get Tyus back too. Great fit, and more likely to re-sign in MIN than most players. I had an interesting conversation with MEM fans last year, who said that for financial reasons, they had to choose whether to keep Tyus or SloMo. Now that we’ve seen how valuable Anderson is, we should realize how much they like Tyus if they preferred him. This summer, if they can re-sign Dillon Brooks for $20, they can stay under the lux and keep Tyus, so we’d have to offer real value to get him, which I don’t think we would do.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I guess we could get Tyus against Mike in the future. Tuys back and Mike ending his career at home. But seeems unlikely.

[shrink]

In case anyone is unaware, the moment a team is eliminated from the playoffs, the trade deadline moratorium passes and they become trade eligible again. Only players that have guaranteed money next year can be traded, so guys like Jaylen Nowell or Naz can’t be traded unless we signed them to a new deal first (sign and trade). This rule also means that players with options or unguaranteed money, like MacLaughlin, would need to have that salary guaranteed before the could be traded.

Trades now until the deadline are uncommon (particularly during the playoffs), but they do happen. Kahn’s first move as a new GM was to trade Mike Miller and Randy Foye to WAS for the #5 pick in 2009, which became Ricky Rubio. But if you’re someone who thinks a big trade is coming, there is no legal reason why it couldn’t happen today with another eliminated team.

[moss_is_1]

Free agency will probably be bargain bin hunting, especially if we bring back Naz/Naw we will be strapped. However some options out there for good players.

Jordan Clarkson - Bruce Brown - DDV - Schroeder - Kj Martin - Tre Jones(maybe could work a sign and trade?) - Seth Curry - Thybulle(if we lost NAW, could use his defense?) - Max Struss - Thomas Bryant(if we lose Naz) - Jevon Carter - Jae Crowder - Plumlee - Torrey Craig - Yuta Watanabe - Dennis Smith - Trey Lyles - Damion Lee - Gabe Vincent - Anthony Lamb - Pat Bev.

My dream scenario is Clarkson will accept the MLE

He would be my first choice as well. Having an elite 6th man would help us a ton. Clearly we need some scoring punch, I think our defense for the most part is very good.

I'd love to add some nice shooters as well that's why I included Watanabe, Lee, Curry.

Would the Spurs be interested in a Naz sign and trade? Those wishing for Tyus, maybe we can steal Tre and a piece in a double S&T.

[moss_is_1]

Towns for DFS, Joe Harris, BRO 2023 FRP, DAL or PHX 2029 FRP

Gobert/Reid/Garza
DFS/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Harris
Edwards/Harris/Moore
Conley/NAW/JMac

Harris 20 mil contract expires after 2023-24, (as well as 18mil from TP and KA contracts). DFS 15 mil contract expires after 2025-26

Read on Twitter

In context of DFS news I would consider my initial trade for following reasons:

1) DFS is versatile big wing who is highly compatible with Gobert/Reid. And I wonder if Gobert-DFS-MCD-Edwards-Conley lineup can be top-5 defensive lineup in NBA. As for DFS woeful shooting this season, I wonder whether he can shoot better after surgery

2) Harris is a proven shooter who can make easier for our players to run both spread pick-n-rolls and free flow offense.

3) timeline of Harris and DFS contracts fits Edwards and MCD extensions well

4) Towns will play for his hometown, big city. He also will have a chance to be a star in a good team.

I'd need a lot more picks if all we get back are DFS and Harris. Towns is still an all star and great player. 2 mediocre picks and 2 role players aren't going to cut it.

I do like Dfs and Royce O'Neal on our team if we end up moving Prince it would be nice to get either of those guys somehow.

[life_saver]

Tyus is a good option to have off bench but he isn't a starter material if your goal is to be a contender. His shooting numbers in playoffs have been really awful even with Grizzlies

[Guest84]

Just my opinion, wolves need to stay away from players they’ve already had that didn’t work out here. Rubio, Tyus, etc. Better to move on

[life_saver]

Just my opinion, wolves need to stay away from players they’ve already had that didn’t work out here. Rubio, Tyus, etc. Better to move on

exactly..people were initially gushing about Rubio at Cavs last season but he was unplayable in playoffs this season. Tyus again is an excellent backup PG option but he is not a starter material in playoffs for a contender. If building a contender is your goal, these aren't the options we need to go back. We need to find a long term PG option

[Klomp]

In case anyone is unaware, the moment a team is eliminated from the playoffs, the trade deadline moratorium passes and they become trade eligible again. Only players that have guaranteed money next year can be traded, so guys like Jaylen Nowell or Naz can’t be traded unless we signed them to a new deal first (sign and trade). This rule also means that players with options or unguaranteed money, like MacLaughlin, would need to have that salary guaranteed before the could be traded.

Trades now until the deadline are uncommon (particularly during the playoffs), but they do happen. Kahn’s first move as a new GM was to trade Mike Miller and Randy Foye to WAS for the #5 pick in 2009, which became Ricky Rubio. But if you’re someone who thinks a big trade is coming, there is no legal reason why it couldn’t happen today with another eliminated team.

They can happen, but usually far closer to the NBA Draft. That specific trade happened the Tuesday before the Thursday draft.

[Klomp]

Tim Connelly said he thinks the Timberwolves need to address adding "IQ and shooting"

Knicks currently filing tampering charges

[urinesane]

I'd like to see the Wolves keep NAW and Naz.

NAW really had a great series for someone that went from bench guy to thrust into a starting role in massively important games. If he can get a more consistent 3pt shot, he's a great fit for this roster.

Naz has improved every year and made a massive leap this year. I think Naz showed how important he is to this team, even if they have so much money tied up in KAT/Gobert. The priority should be to resign both of them.

Beyond that, I don't care too much outside of moves on the margins (and bringing Minott/Moore into the mix next season).

Conley
Edwards
McDaniels
KAT
Gobert
Anderson
NAW
Naz

Are the guys to make sure are on this roster next season imo.

Develop:
Garza would be nice to have back on a non-2way deal (he would have been much more useful than Knight was on his contract). His defense isn't good, but he can get buckets. Basically a center version of what they wanted Nowell to be this year, would be nice to have when the bench is stinking it up and can't score.

Moore is older for a rookie, but still only 21. He also seems poised and capable of fitting in the system and playing a role.

Minott is the most exciting young prospect the Wolves have outside of McDaniels/Edwards and should basically be treated as our first round pick this year next season.


Expendable:
Prince (if they keep him I'm fine with it, his deal isn't bad and he had some important production at times if not an overall lackluster year for what he did in 21-22).

Nowell (did not earn a new contract with the Wolves and NAW is a much better fit)

Rivers (outside of bits when they had to go to someone in the playoffs, didn't really bring any value after the Bamba scuffle). Would love to have a vet like PatBev instead (even though he would cost way more, his impact is much greater).

McLaughlin (was really important, then got hurt, played decent then eventually played himself out of the rotation by not being able to score).

Knight (was the 5th best big on the roster)

Ryan (was a 3pt specialist that couldn't hit a 3 pointer)

I think they probably keep McLaughlin if they can't find a good replacement and probably keep Prince for his veteran presence.

Otherwise I think Rivers/Knight/Ryan/Nowell probably aren't on the roster next season.

[Klomp]

Expendable:
Prince (if they keep him I'm fine with it, his deal isn't bad and he had some important production at times if not an overall lackluster year for what he did in 21-22).

I wonder if he's one of those who is "more valuable to someone else than us". It's easy to forget, he's been an NBA starter for half of his career (222 starts in 424 games, 7 starts in 16 playoff games). That kind of experience in a veteran 38% 3-point shooter who hasn't hit 30 yet on a reasonable expiring contract and knows his role. That can be valuable.

Here, he's stuck behind Jaden McDaniels at SF and the Twin Towers plus Kyle Anderson will limit his time at PF. It has been a productive two years here, but I think it may be time to trade him for a more cost-effective option.

[urinesane]

Expendable:
Prince (if they keep him I'm fine with it, his deal isn't bad and he had some important production at times if not an overall lackluster year for what he did in 21-22).

I wonder if he's one of those who is "more valuable to someone else than us". It's easy to forget, he's been an NBA starter for half of his career (222 starts in 424 games, 7 starts in 16 playoff games). That kind of experience in a veteran 38% 3-point shooter who hasn't hit 30 yet on a reasonable expiring contract and knows his role. That can be valuable.

Here, he's stuck behind Jaden McDaniels at SF and the Twin Towers plus Kyle Anderson will limit his time at PF. It has been a productive two years here, but I think it may be time to trade him for a more cost-effective option.

Good point. I think if you can move him, attach Knight (or McLaughlin) to it in order to get a serviceable backup PG you do it.

Then you move on from McLaughlin (if Knight is in the deal rather than JMac) before his contract for next year is fully guaranteed and use that money to sign Garza to a reasonable contract (Knight-esque).

[shrink]

So I think having another big wing like Prince is useful, especially in the playoffs, but it is also highly valuable to be able to use your MLE, as a way to add talent without giving up trade assets. If we keep Prince, it appears we are too close to the lux threshold to use the MLE, so perhaps a trade to a team with a TPE or cap space could bring back a cheap asset.

Teams with TPEs greater than $7.65: BRK, DEN, POR, UTA* (though more likely renounced to operate as a cap space team)
Teams with Cap Space: HOU, SA, UTA, DET, IND, ORL

(Other teams can generate cap space, like SAC if they let Harrison Barnes leave. List is just easiest matches).

Nearly all teams can use a decent SF - Utah, Portland and Orlando stand out to me, as teams with playoff ambitions. However, since Prince was a team leader and role model for younger players last year, I could see lottery teams interested in him as well. Utah has the #28 pick this year, and may be happy to swap it since they also have 9 and 16. Though they may want to sit on their cap space.