The Andrew Wiggins Thread

[AQuintus]

Put him at the 3, lavine can man the 2. I still got faith in lavine being a star in this league

I have a lot of hope for LaVine, too, but I'd like to see him at least prove that he's a legitimate starter before I pencil him into a starting spot. Injecting him into the starting lineup at this point, before he's earned it, would be silly; especially with Wiggins playing better at the 2, and especially with Shabazz playing so well.

[Calinks]

[vagelis]

My opinion is that Wiggins is currently more a small forward than a shooting guard.
He has to improve his dribbling ability and start to play more with face to opponent in order to be a shooting guard.
He can do it, he has the explossiveness and direction change ability to become better dribler.

I also think that Wiggins in the current year has worked a lot in his shoot and handles. He is very improved in that two parts of the game. And thats why he scores so many points.
I think that he is not working too much this year in the athletic part. For example I see videos in youtube when he was younger, that he jumps higher than now and maybe is more muscled than now.
In one or two years from now when he will compine all his weapons we will make crazy things.
Just wait to see his development to a player near Jordans level..
But I also want more impressive moves and more dunks from him

[Foye]

As great as Wiggins played last night he got dominated by LeBron late in the 4th.
That's not a big deal, though and part of the learning appearance in the NBA.

In a couple years it will be Wiggins dominating others in the 4th quarter. I'm looking forward to it.

[davinci79]

Per 36 minutes stats (47 games)...

Kevin Love
Points: 17.5
Rebounds: 10.7
Assists: 2.3
Steals: 0.7
Blocks: 0.5
FG%: 42.7
3P%: 32.9
FT%: 81.5

Andrew Wiggins
Points: 16.5
Rebounds: 4.4
Assists: 1.9
Steals: 1.2
Blocks: 0.6
FG%: 43.4
3P%: 36.7
FT%: 72.3

[Merc_Porto]

Looking forward.
Wiggins will average 25 PPG easy with Rubio

[urinesane]

Looking forward.
Wiggins will average 25 PPG easy with Rubio

I think people have for gotten how good Ricky is at getting his teammates easy scores.

Wiggins will feast on offense with a healthy Rubio.

[minimus]

I'm affraid that even if Wiggins improves his handles we can't play him at 2. Otherwise we will have same situation of last year when nobody could create his own shot in the clutch. Look at ATL, they have Teague, Schroeder who can create offense + Millsap and Horford who are quick and smart enough to dribble when it is needed. We have Rubio who can't finish at rim, doesn't have reliable mid range and long range game and very green LaVine.

[Klomp]

Wiggins' handles aren't the tightest, but I actually wonder if that's partly due to him taking such long strides. Easier to control your dribble when taking smaller steps.

As for him creating offense

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXlvw6Uw6b4[/youtube]

[AQuintus]

I'm affraid that even if Wiggins improves his handles we can't play him at 2.

What? We're already playing him at the 2, and he's playing very, very well.

Otherwise we will have same situation of last year when nobody could create his own shot in the clutch.

Again, what? Why would playing Wiggins at the 2 suddenly take away his ability to create?

We have Rubio who can't finish at rim, doesn't have reliable mid range and long range game and very green LaVine.

And Wiggins, and Shabazz, and Pekovic can create shots out of the post, and Thad (as disappointing as he has been) can create some (though I hope he's not here next year), Martin can as well, and (hopefully) we can bring in either Okafor or Towns.

[MinneOOPalis]

So far I haven't read any logical reasoning for which position should wiggins be playing. Right now its obvious his best position is the 2. He is a matchup nightmare for anyone at that position and he looks good coming off of curls and screens.

It honestly depends on who the other wing is. Wiggins is a swingman, he can play both interchangeably

[packforfreedom]

So far I haven't read any logical reasoning for which position should wiggins be playing. Right now its obvious his best position is the 2. He is a matchup nightmare for anyone at that position and he looks good coming off of curls and screens.

It honestly depends on who the other wing is. Wiggins is a swingman, he can play both interchangeably

this. It doesn't really matter, since he'd be able to defend 3s and 2s as well as score against them.

[minimus]

AQuintus
I meant "create by using dribble", I thought it was clear from context. Wiggins has been playing well. But he is not complete player at the moment. You can see that he is mostly catch and shoot guy on perimeter, he attacks closeouts or uses post game to exploit athletic ability. He gets free after cross screens in the paint on the wings. He is limited when he has to use dribbling on perimeter.
I like his game, especially how he performs against CLE, but we need proven ball handler at 2. It is not coincidence that Andrew disappeared during clutch 4th quarter in both games vs CLE. He doesn't have advanced dribble or physical strength to gain points against organized, tight defense.

I am okay with Wiggins at 2, but in this case we need second ball handler, considering the fact that Martin, LaVine and Shabazz are not advanced ball handlers. It makes looks Lorenzo Brown as manna from heaven. He is too weak for SG, but he is okay for backup PG.

[southern wolf]

Is that supposed to be Wiggins as the tank commander? Cause with the way he's playing he's the anti-tank commander.

[guest81]

AQuintus
I meant "create by using dribble", I thought it was clear from context. Wiggins has been playing well. But he is not complete player at the moment. You can see that he is mostly catch and shoot guy on perimeter, he attacks closeouts or uses post game to exploit athletic ability. He gets free after cross screens in the paint on the wings. He is limited when he has to use dribbling on perimeter.
I like his game, especially how he performs against CLE, but we need proven ball handler at 2. It is not coincidence that Andrew disappeared during clutch 4th quarter in both games vs CLE. He doesn't have advanced dribble or physical strength to gain points against organized, tight defense.

I am okay with Wiggins at 2, but in this case we need second ball handler, considering the fact that Martin, LaVine and Shabazz are not advanced ball handlers. It makes looks Lorenzo Brown as manna from heaven. He is too weak for SG, but he is okay for backup PG.

Hell he doesn't even need to do anything on the perimeter in order to be effective. He already has more post moves then Shabazz and looks a lot better there then anyone on the team. He seems to be going the reverse route of Kobe and Lebron, who developed their post games later in their career. All the kid really needs is confidence and he seems to be gaining it every game.

I thought Wiggins would tap out at around Paul George level, but I think he can be a rich mans Tmac at his peak

[breatnach]

I thought Wiggins would tap out at around Paul George level, but I think he can be a rich mans Tmac at his peak

I think a rich man's Tmac is called Jordan. Tmac's biggest weakness was his body failing him.

[Jkam31]

AQuintus
I meant "create by using dribble", I thought it was clear from context. Wiggins has been playing well. But he is not complete player at the moment. You can see that he is mostly catch and shoot guy on perimeter, he attacks closeouts or uses post game to exploit athletic ability. He gets free after cross screens in the paint on the wings. He is limited when he has to use dribbling on perimeter.
I like his game, especially how he performs against CLE, but we need proven ball handler at 2. It is not coincidence that Andrew disappeared during clutch 4th quarter in both games vs CLE. He doesn't have advanced dribble or physical strength to gain points against organized, tight defense.

I am okay with Wiggins at 2, but in this case we need second ball handler, considering the fact that Martin, LaVine and Shabazz are not advanced ball handlers. It makes looks Lorenzo Brown as manna from heaven. He is too weak for SG, but he is okay for backup PG.

Hell he doesn't even need to do anything on the perimeter in order to be effective. He already has more post moves then Shabazz and looks a lot better there then anyone on the team. He seems to be going the reverse route of Kobe and Lebron, who developed their post games later in their career. All the kid really needs is confidence and he seems to be gaining it every game.

I thought Wiggins would tap out at around Paul George level, but I think he can be a rich mans Tmac at his peak

You never watched McGrady play for you to make such a insane statement.


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[longway]

T Mac at his peak was a Hall of Famer, just that his body didn't hold up. If Wiggins could be a T Mac at his peak we should all be doing **** cartwheels.

[Note30]

Seriously, i think people forget how good McGrady actually was. The man was possessed, if even Kobe shows him respect, he was pretty damn good lol. TMac could just pierce the defense whenever he wanted and throwdown hard. Centers looked like undersized guards if you look at his highlights. Wiggins doesn't have that yet, when he ups his handles and confidence/ comfort, we'll be in pretty good position.


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[urinesane]

Pretty sure the idea is to play him at a position that fits his body right now. He has better match ups vs 2s currently and often dominates them. Once he grows into his body more, he will be a 3 (and will then give them match up issues).

Same thing Flip did with KG and the same thing he is doing with Wiggins/Lavine. Play them at a position that fits their body, so they can find success and the ability to take advantage of mismatches. Once they grow into their bodies they go to their natural positions, but are more well rounded for learning the skills of the other position.

Lavine probably will not be a PG for the Wolves in the future, but his experience of playing PG now could really help him as a SG down the road and would give him more tools to work with.

I think he may be doing the same with Gorgui a bit, but mainly because he isn't big enough to handle many Centers right now. He has done well with Pek at Center next to him and I like the bigger lineup defensively.

Wiggins in his prime is going to be a 3. Lavine a 2, and most likely Gorgui a 5. If Dieng doesn't get bigger, he may have to adapt to being a 4 with Ibaka style play (they are very similar size wise).

He will need to put on more weight to play the 5 though, otherwise he gets bullied too much. With Pek back, it allows Flip to play them together and give Dieng mismatches against some PFs, and someone next to him that will clear space for him to rebound (and rebound themselves, unlike Thad).