Andrew Wiggins and the wolves future

Slim Tubby · Post #361 » by **Slim Tubby** » Tue May 21, 2019 3:14 pm

Other than his paycheck, there is simply no reason that Wiggins should start over Okogie who has his own flaws as a developing player. Maybe he has more success/confidence against 2nd stringers and it would certainly send a message to Andrew that he needs to improve or his minutes will continue to dwindle.

Nick K · Post #362 » by **Nick K** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:03 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:Other than his paycheck, there is simply no reason that Wiggins should start over Okogie who has his own flaws as a developing player. Maybe he has more success/confidence against 2nd stringers and it would certainly send a message to Andrew that he needs to improve or his minutes will continue to dwindle.

Okogie needs to vastly improve his shot and play more under control to be a starter on a really good team. Wiggins certainly needs to be pushed. We'll see how he responds.

Dewey · Post #363 » by **Dewey** » Tue May 21, 2019 4:30 pm

Guys like Wiggins believe they need to score to be relevant ... if he would stop shooting long two's and and tighten up defense, he be relevant. Maybe not a max player (as that ship has sailed), but relevant.

minimus · Post #364 » by **minimus** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 12:03 pm

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I hope AW averages more than 5rpg next season. That is probably the most fixable of his issues

wesleyt95 · Post #365 » by **wesleyt95** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:28 am

There's no way Wiggins saw what Kawhi did in one year for Canada and didn't get inspired

Post #366 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:52 am

I actually wonder if providing more spacing by shifting Covington/Bates-Diop to PF will allow more room for Wiggins to get all the way to the basket, which can only help his game.

Takingbaconback · Post #367 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:33 pm

This is just grasping at straws, but this will be his first offseason as a father. Perhaps he's contemplated his life and put more dedication and effort into his career. The FIBA World Cup should give us a good look and it seems like a very favorable place for him to improve his stock.

wolves_89 · Post #368 » by **wolves_89** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:01 am

With ample wing depth (Covington, Culver, Okogie, and KBD) I'm hoping the team basically tells Wiggins that if he wants minutes he's going to have to significantly improve his shot selection and expend consistent effort on defense. Just getting Wiggins to stop taking long 2s would be a major step forward for him. At this point there's not a lot of incentive to give Wiggins big minutes if other guys are outplaying him.

Post #369 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:03 am

If you're running three-wing lineups regularly, four wings is not ample depth.

wolves_89 · Post #370 » by **wolves_89** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:07 am

Klomp wrote:If you're running three-wing lineups regularly, four wings is not ample depth.

The Wolves have five wings including Wiggins. That's plenty of depth to cut back Andrew's minutes into the 20s if he's not performing well. I would also be shocked if the Wolves don't add a more traditional PF that will get rotation minues.

delux55 · Post #371 » by **delux55** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:37 am

They need to forget they overpaid on him and just use him as a player. Earn your minutes. If culver okogie and Covington are out playing you they tie them shoes tight and try. Show some hustle and heart or lose your minutes to okogie and Culver. Make hom a sixth man he would be good against some reserves and may boost his confidence. I believe with a new regime Wiggins gets one year to prove he should start for this team. If he cant earn his spot then they will ship him out

Jedzz · Post #372 » by **Jedzz** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:09 am

Klomp wrote:I actually wonder if providing more spacing by shifting Covington/Bates-Diop to PF will allow more room for Wiggins to get all the way to the basket, which can only help his game.

I don't even want to hang a hope on him wanting to get to the basket anymore. He forgot how to beat even one person. He goes into hiding for months after one poster play and show of aggression. He shows a strangely successful handle two games a season too. Then never again. He almost looks absolutely skilless at times. Not sure how to explain any of it. Season long yips.

Jedzz · Post #373 » by **Jedzz** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:12 am

I just hope he loosens the braids and let's some oxygen in up there.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #374 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:59 am

Wiggs been working out with chris Johnson this offseason. Looks like hes either been in California at the "barbershop" or working out in Minnesota this offseason.

And it looks like his focus is on dribble drives, handles, and going left. If he can develop his handle and use a left floater that he showed off in that clip, it will be big for him next season.

SO_MONEY · Post #375 » by **SO_MONEY** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:26 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggs been working out with chris Johnson this offseason. Looks like hes either been in California at the "barbershop" or working out in Minnesota this offseason.

And it looks like his focus is on dribble drives, handles, and going left. If he can develop his handle and use a left floater that he showed off in that clip, it will be big for him next season.

Almost everything he does is not at game speed...wait...what...that is game speed...crap. :wink:

gandlogo · Post #376 » by **gandlogo** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:38 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggs been working out with chris Johnson this offseason. Looks like hes either been in California at the "barbershop" or working out in Minnesota this offseason.

And it looks like his focus is on dribble drives, handles, and going left. If he can develop his handle and use a left floater that he showed off in that clip, it will be big for him next season.

Looks like he’s bending more in his hips and a bit wider stance. Both important for taking contact. Hopefully he’s doing the same on defense because he always played too high. Feet together and bending at the waist.

EG9 · Post #377 » by **EG9** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:36 am

One thing I don't understand about Wiggins is how he's seemingly already declined athletically. I believe there was a time last year where Jeff Teague actually had more dunks than he did. There were so many times where the "old" Andrew would have finished with a highlight dunk and the "new" Andrew ended up missing a tough layup or even getting it blocked. In some ways that's more concerning to me than the other flaws in his game because if he's actually declining athletically, there's nothing he can do to change that.

I do wish that the "tough love" approach would have been taken with Andrew at some point in his career. When Ryan Saunders took over he actually implemented a new concept in scrimmages where shots from certain areas of the court (read long 2's) were actually worth negative points. Yet flash forward to game time and Andrew was still shooting them and he never got the hook for them. It drove me crazy that the Wolves first possession in seemingly every game would end with a Wiggins 17-20 foot jumper. The other thing I wonder about is that if the heavy minutes Andrew played both under Flip and then especially Thibs taught him to play with even more of a governor on his motor. If he knows he's pushing 40 minutes every night (and he's never hurt so he was a fixture on the most minutes played list) maybe he's always looking for spots to rest so he has something in the tank late. If he's back next year, I'd love to see him play like 6 minute stretches at first and have him on a short leash in regards to both shot selection and effort. Make him show he can play hard and take good shots. If the Wolves are stuck with his contract, they have to do all they can to change his habits.

It's so strange that a guy that can go for 30 on one of the best wing defenders in the league in Paul George on multiple occasions can be such a massive negative on the floor over a full 82 game season.

minimus · Post #378 » by **minimus** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:26 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggs been working out with chris Johnson this offseason. Looks like hes either been in California at the "barbershop" or working out in Minnesota this offseason.

And it looks like his focus is on dribble drives, handles, and going left. If he can develop his handle and use a left floater that he showed off in that clip, it will be big for him next season.

His shot selection looks impeccable

KGdaBom · Post #379 » by **KGdaBom** » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:28 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggs been working out with chris Johnson this offseason. Looks like hes either been in California at the "barbershop" or working out in Minnesota this offseason.

And it looks like his focus is on dribble drives, handles, and going left. If he can develop his handle and use a left floater that he showed off in that clip, it will be big for him next season.

I have to admit that watching that Clip gives me some hope. It's a mirage though.

Jedzz · Post #380 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 1:35 am

KGdaBom wrote:I have to admit that watching that Clip gives me some hope. It's a mirage though.

Wiggins said he was making his move this coming season. Gettin down to business. He's averaged 17 to 23 pts a season. We all knew by improving a couple things and being better prepared he might be scary effective. For his sake I hope he's got the right people training him this season. If he gets on the right team with the right type of coaches they could get a lot from him.