Trade Talk (Part Four)

[cedric76]

As a magic fan i wouldn't be against

Okogie+culver+Johnson for Gordon

Do you think it s a fair trade?

[shrink]

As a magic fan i wouldn't be against

Okogie+culver+Johnson for Gordon

Do you think it s a fair trade?

Neutral fans on the Trade Board peg the value of Gordon at Johnson + #16. Most here wouldn’t mind adding #33 or Omari Spellman if they were needed.

But I think that’s as far as MIN would go. I don’t think Rosas is ready to abandon Culver yet, and besides KAT, Okogie is the only guy who he hasn’t moved from the roster he inherited last year.

I can understand how the Magic may say “no” to that price, but I don’t think Gordon would get MIN to trade either their 2020 1st or Culver. Your original deal has difficulty matching salaries, so amended trades probably need to include James Johnson’s big expiring,

[cedric76]

As a magic fan i wouldn't be against

Okogie+culver+Johnson for Gordon

Do you think it s a fair trade?

Neutral fans on the Trade Board peg the value of Gordon at Johnson + #16. Most here wouldn’t mind adding #33 or Omari Spellman if they were needed.

But I think that’s as far as MIN would go. I don’t think Rosas is ready to abandon Culver yet, and besides KAT, Okogie is the only guy who he hasn’t moved from the roster he inherited last year.

I can understand how the Magic may say “no” to that price, but I don’t think Gordon would get MIN to trade either their 2020 1st or Culver. Your original deal has difficulty matching salaries, so amended trades probably need to include James Johnson’s big expiring,

I agree orlando would not do Johnson +16+33 for AG

They d do for Johnson +min 1st for AG +orl 1st if Edwards was still on the board. But i can't see min do that

[minimus]

As a magic fan i wouldn't be against

Okogie+culver+Johnson for Gordon

Do you think it s a fair trade?

Neutral fans on the Trade Board peg the value of Gordon at Johnson + #16. Most here wouldn’t mind adding #33 or Omari Spellman if they were needed.

But I think that’s as far as MIN would go. I don’t think Rosas is ready to abandon Culver yet, and besides KAT, Okogie is the only guy who he hasn’t moved from the roster he inherited last year.

I can understand how the Magic may say “no” to that price, but I don’t think Gordon would get MIN to trade either their 2020 1st or Culver. Your original deal has difficulty matching salaries, so amended trades probably need to include James Johnson’s big expiring,

I agree orlando would not do Johnson +16+33 for AG

They d do for Johnson +min 1st for AG +orl 1st if Edwards was still on the board. But i can't see min do that

What about MIN 1st (Edwards) + JJ + 33 for Isaac, Aminu?

Draft a ballhandler such as Hampton, Kira Lewis Jr, and you will be good.

Vuc/Bamba/Birch
AG/JJ
Iwundu/Ross
Edwards/???
Fultz/Lewis

[cedric76]

Neutral fans on the Trade Board peg the value of Gordon at Johnson + #16. Most here wouldn’t mind adding #33 or Omari Spellman if they were needed.

But I think that’s as far as MIN would go. I don’t think Rosas is ready to abandon Culver yet, and besides KAT, Okogie is the only guy who he hasn’t moved from the roster he inherited last year.

I can understand how the Magic may say “no” to that price, but I don’t think Gordon would get MIN to trade either their 2020 1st or Culver. Your original deal has difficulty matching salaries, so amended trades probably need to include James Johnson’s big expiring,

I agree orlando would not do Johnson +16+33 for AG

They d do for Johnson +min 1st for AG +orl 1st if Edwards was still on the board. But i can't see min do that

What about MIN 1st (Edwards) + JJ + 33 for Isaac, Aminu?

Draft a ballhandler such as Hampton, Kira Lewis Jr, and you will be good.

Vuc/Bamba/Birch
AG/JJ
Iwundu/Ross
Edwards/???
Fultz/Lewis

Isaac isn't going anywhere, he is not on our trading block

[minimus]

I agree orlando would not do Johnson +16+33 for AG

They d do for Johnson +min 1st for AG +orl 1st if Edwards was still on the board. But i can't see min do that

What about MIN 1st (Edwards) + JJ + 33 for Isaac, Aminu?

Draft a ballhandler such as Hampton, Kira Lewis Jr, and you will be good.

Vuc/Bamba/Birch
AG/JJ
Iwundu/Ross
Edwards/???
Fultz/Lewis

Isaac isn't going anywhere, he is not on our trading block

Okay, then I think it is clear that ORL should trade Gordon to make room for Isaac, balance roster with wings etc. I can see ORL negotiating trades with all teams who might have top5 pick in draft such as ATL, CLE, NYK, GSW, DET. It seems like ORL fans value Gordon more than combination of JJ and 16, 33 picks. In this case Rosas will certainly look elsewhere. One scenario that have been mentioned here is OG Anunoby, who might have close to Isaac defensive potential, but shoots better from 3pt.

[KGdaBom]

Out of curiosity, what are you guys' thoughts on the worst case draft scenario where we drop to 7th? That would presumably put us out of the running for Edwards, Ball and Wiseman at minimum with some combination of Avdija, Hayes, Okongwu, Toppin and maybe Haliburton or Vassell being unavailable as well.

Would you trade it? Just draft BPA?

Of those options give me in order
Okongwu that would be a steal
Avdija
Toppin
Hayes
Vassell
Haliburton.

As in that's who you're hoping is still available? That's what that part of my post was talking about, that some combination of those guys would also be gone alongside the consensus top 3 guys and not that those guys would be available there. Sorry if it was worded poorly.

Obviously some of the people you mentioned will be available at pick 7. I gave them in the order I would want to draft them. So if Okongwu is available draft him and on down the list. However, there might be players you didn't mention that I would like better. I'm not very big on Hayes, Vassell or Haliburton.

[Domejandro]

If Minnesota gets the second or third pick and New York wants to move up from sixth or seventh ....

MIN: #6/7, Better of Clippers/Mavericks' 2021 First Round Draft Pick*, and Dallas Mavericks' 2023 First Round Draft Pick**
OUT: Jacob Evans and #2/3

*Dallas' pick is unprotected while the Clippers' pick is 1-4 protected. New York could also add protections to Dallas' pick.
**1-10 Protected through 2025, becoming a 2025 Second, if it fails to convey.

Gain a bit of flexibility pick-wise and clear Jacob Evans.

[shrink]

If Minnesota gets the second or third pick and New York wants to move up from sixth or seventh ....

MIN: #6/7, Better of Clippers/Mavericks' 2021 First Round Draft Pick*, and Dallas Mavericks' 2023 First Round Draft Pick**
OUT: Jacob Evans and #2/3

*Dallas' pick is unprotected while the Clippers' pick is 1-4 protected. New York could also add protections to Dallas' pick.
**1-10 Protected through 2025, becoming a 2025 Second, if it fails to convey.

Gain a bit of flexibility pick-wise and clear Jacob Evans.

I like this a lot. I’m not sure if we could get two 1sts to move down 4-5 spots, but the Clippers and Mavs look to be contenders the next few years, so we may get both. We just carry the upside if a catastrophe strikes.

I like this because lottery picks should be used for star hunting. If NYK (or CHA) feels that a guy like Wiseman could be a star, then I am fully in favor of trading him for good value. He won’t be a star here, in our one-big system, and Towns cemented there getting big minutes for the next four years.

[Neeva]

You think NY wants Wiseman though? I see them going for Lamelo.

[shrink]

You think NY wants Wiseman though? I see them going for Lamelo.

You’re right. I distracted myself adding Charlotte to the conversation.

I could see them hoping Lamelo is a star, and I think NYK is big enough to handle any Bell family drama.

[minimus]

If Minnesota gets the second or third pick and New York wants to move up from sixth or seventh ....

MIN: #6/7, Better of Clippers/Mavericks' 2021 First Round Draft Pick*, and Dallas Mavericks' 2023 First Round Draft Pick**
OUT: Jacob Evans and #2/3

*Dallas' pick is unprotected while the Clippers' pick is 1-4 protected. New York could also add protections to Dallas' pick.
**1-10 Protected through 2025, becoming a 2025 Second, if it fails to convey.

Gain a bit of flexibility pick-wise and clear Jacob Evans.

I like this a lot. I’m not sure if we could get two 1sts to move down 4-5 spots, but the Clippers and Mavs look to be contenders the next few years, so we may get both. We just carry the upside if a catastrophe strikes.

I like this because lottery picks should be used for star hunting. If NYK (or CHA) feels that a guy like Wiseman could be a star, then I am fully in favor of trading him for good value. He won’t be a star here, in our one-big system, and Towns cemented there getting big minutes for the next four years.

While I hate drafting based on needs, I should admit that at 6/7 I like Avdija, Vassel, Okongwu a lot. So I like this trade. Would also trade Culver, Spellman for NAW, Miller (cut him before his 7mil 2020-2021 contract becomes guaranteed). Draft Avdija, Tyler Bey. Trade JJ, #16, Nowell for Aaron Gordon.

KAT/Reid
Gordon/Juancho/Layman
Avdija/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/NAW
DLo/JMac/NAW

I like idea of having in rotation three big versatile wings who can dribble, pass, shoot and rebound. Gordon is 6'8 235lbs with 6'11.75 wingspan, Avdija is 6'9 215lbs with 6'10” wingspan, Layman is 6'8" 209lbs with 7'0" wingspan. Plus two big ballhandlers, DLo is 6'4" 193lbs with 6'9.75 wingspan, and NAW 6'5"205lbs with 6'9"wingspan.

[Klomp]

Scenario: Golden State gets the top pick in the draft lottery, but decides they would rather trade down while adding a veteran. Minnesota slides in the lottery to the No. 5 pick. Devin Booker makes it known he would like to be traded from Phoenix, with Minnesota highest on his list and showing the most interest.

MIN Out: No. 5, Johnson, Beasley, Culver
MIN In: Booker

GS Out: No. 1
GS In: No. 10, Beasley

PHX Out: Booker, No. 10
PHX In: No. 1, No. 5, Johnson, Culver

[Neeva]

If the Wolves somehow win the Lottery again.

Pair the number one with Okogie (Thib’s last frp pick) and evans (for filler) for the 6th pick, 27th, 2021 ny pick (top 5 protected) and Knox (or Smith Jr) as filler.

NY get Ball or Edwards and defensive top backup guard Okogie.

Wolves draft Hayes, Okongwu or Avdija at 6 and Tyler Bey or McDaniels at 27, take a flyer on Knox (or DSJ)
and gamble on NY 2021 pick landing between 6-10



I think it’s win win for both teams.

[Jedzz]

Hate to say it but I think the Wolves might be done or at least in a complete standstill. At least done becoming what they were on their way to. Being up for sale might be prolonged given they won't have a chance to play again until December or later. This probably means they are going back to the team that doesn't make decisive moves, can't sign their own FAs. They might be on hold with no one to pull the trigger or decide anything. No owner willing to spend more when it's not going to be his. The team was on the border of existing above or below the lux and that decision had to be made to move forward given their current situation. But it can't easily be made while in suspended mode. Who's decision can it be but the new owners to come? That's maybe why nothing decisive happened during the short dates available this summer. Rosas must be beside himself.

Who's going to step into this mess soon enough. Sigh. It's going to take time to find the group both willing, wise and capable. An owner with real cajones. One that avoids weak minded fans and business partners and this kind of thing by just picking the player and dealing with his personal opinions 5 years later.

[minimus]

If we fall out of top3.

1) Trade JJ, Evans top5 pick for Gordon, #15
2) Trade Culver, Spellman, #15, #16 to NYK for #6, #27, worst of LAC/DAL 2021 FRP
3) Juancho S&T to UTA for #24

Draft Vassell, Bolmaro, Xavier Tillman, Killian Tillie (1+3). Resign Beasley, JMac, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Tillie/Vanderblit
Vassell/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/JMac/Bolmaro

[Neeva]

Gordon doesn’t move orlando to top 5 of draft.doesn’t have that kind of value at all.

[K4P]

Read on Twitter

With Isaac out for a looooong time I wonder if that changes Orlando's Keenness to deal Gordon

[minimus]

With Isaac out for a looooong time I wonder if that changes Orlando's Keenness to deal Gordon

ORL management has been really bad. Outside of Fultz trade, they made all sorts of questionable "win-now" moves that will keep them in mediocrity. They are #6 this season in payrolls, #8 next season. They drafted Bamba with 6th pick and invested 100mil/4yrs in Vuc. They drafted Isaac with 6th pick and invested more than 28 mil per year in Gordon/Aminu. They invested 50mil/4yrs in backup wing Ross, but next season they dont have even one starting level wing under contract.

If I were ORL GM, I'd tank next season, let Isaac recover, play Bamba and Fultz big minutes, trade Vuc, Gordon for draft picks, and develop.

[wolves_89]

Read on Twitter

With Isaac out for a looooong time I wonder if that changes Orlando's Keenness to deal Gordon

Orlando's in a bad spot. They have no cap space and their current core of Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic tops out as a fringe playoff team. Gordon is the only player with any trade value and he could only get a modest return (an expiring and mid 1st). By being a fringe playoff team their draft picks would fall in the early teens making building through the draft hard. Basically in their current form they have few trade assets, no cap space, and are looking at mediocre draft picks.

It will be interesting to see what approach the Magic front office takes. I could see them trying to stay the course and desperately hoping that Isaac/Fultz turn into franchise cornerstones in a couple of years. The other option is move everyone they can in order to bottom out and go for high draft picks in 2021 and 2022 (both should be strong draft classes). I think Gordon's availability depends on what path they take.