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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#361 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:05 pm

minimus wrote:I hope that TC will bring back Morris, so I would be happy if we draft a comboforward who can contribute as part of bench unit. Is Miller ready? Can Clark get some minutes? Where we get shooting?

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Here is the list of players who has had workouts in MIN, only one freshman https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

It should be noted that anyone listed as 2004 could be considered a freshman, or at worst a sophomore.

Interestingly, there aren't any sophomores on the list and overall its almost exclusively juniors and seniors. Obviously there's a lot of time left for workouts but this would represent a significant change in their previous draft philosophy
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#362 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:35 pm

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minimus wrote:I hope that TC will bring back Morris, so I would be happy if we draft a comboforward who can contribute as part of bench unit. Is Miller ready? Can Clark get some minutes? Where we get shooting?

Reid-???-???-NAW-Morris

Here is the list of players who has had workouts in MIN, only one freshman https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

It should be noted that anyone listed as 2004 could be considered a freshman, or at worst a sophomore.

Interestingly, there aren't any sophomores on the list and overall its almost exclusively juniors and seniors. Obviously there's a lot of time left for workouts but this would represent a significant change in their previous draft philosophy


And I like that. We're going to need to start replacing higher priced bench players with cheaper guys. So it makes sense to be looking more at guys who might be able to play now.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#363 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:50 am

Kinda crazy, in the current Tankathon mock, there are 10 players who are older than Anthony Edwards
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#364 » by KATKlownFeet » Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:05 am

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Mattya wrote:The Lakers seems like a good trade up if they really want Bronny but don't want to draft him to high while getting some extra assets. If we could package 27 and Miller, maybe we could grab someone if they slip out of the lotto.


Super hard pass! Leonard Miller is a stud and nobody outside the top 5 guys would I consider trading Miller for. In fact, I am not looking to trade him at all. We might as well trade Ant and Jaden too for some more picks in this weakass draft. Lets go all in for more chumps who will rot on the bench.


Are we really comparing Miller to Ant or JMAC/


No. I'm just pointing out how stupid your idea is.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#365 » by Mattya » Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:49 am

KATKlownFeet wrote:
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Super hard pass! Leonard Miller is a stud and nobody outside the top 5 guys would I consider trading Miller for. In fact, I am not looking to trade him at all. We might as well trade Ant and Jaden too for some more picks in this weakass draft. Lets go all in for more chumps who will rot on the bench.


Are we really comparing Miller to Ant or JMAC/


No. I'm just pointing out how stupid your idea is.


We might as well trade Ant and Jaden too for some more picks in this weakass draft


you sure about that? what the hell is going on in this board.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#366 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:16 am

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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#367 » by minimus » Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:31 am

shangrila wrote:Another workout

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B.Carlson - 7ft sniper who's below average nearly everywhere else but does have that 1 elite skill. At 25, and with those weaknesses, I can't see him getting drafted but he's a 2-way candidate.

C.Christie - Springy 2 guard who's an elite shooter and better defender than I initially thought (I like his competitiveness on that end, even if his technique needs refining). He's on the skinny side which impacts him on both ends and his finishing numbers are a serious red flag (44.4% at the rim per Hoop-Math) but overall an interesting upside swing.

N.Djurisic - I'll be honest, I don't think he's a good prospect. He's a high usage, better off the bounce than catch shooter with poor (maybe even non-existant) defence. His passing is nice and the shot form doesn't look bad but he's a classic guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective but is nowhere talented enough to justify that.

O.Ighodaro - Klomp's favourite. 6-11 C with a lot of bounce and elite feel/passing. Great PnR player, including as both a finisher and short roll passer. Also great in DHOs. Poor FT shooter and no range outside of a pretty decent floater will likely cause issues offensively. His defence is also good on the perimeter but he's a little skinny for his size so can struggle with bulk. Also is average (at best) as a rebounder and not much of a rim protector (measured with a 6-11 wingspan, which shows in the tape). I like him in the 2nd because we need smart players on the team.

D.Jones - Believe BlacJacMac posted a full run down a few pages back. Cliff notes are that he's a 6-5 PG with some athletic and shooting concerns. Awesome wingspan (6-4 without shoes with a 6-11 wingspan) but I worry about his role in the NBA. I'm not sure if he's good enough to truly run the offence through and his value diminishes significantly if you can't.

T.Newton - 6-5 combo guard from the recent 2-time UCONN championship teams. Does a lot of things well, including being a great rebounder for a guard (historically a good indicator of future NBA success) and one of the better floor generals (2.53 AST:TO ratio). He's got a weird shot form that plays out in the %s and he's got some athletic concerns that can impact his finishing at times and his defence. He's also lighter than you'd like for a 6-5 guy at 190lbs (he weighed about the same as Cam Christie, a freshman, and Mark Sears, who's 5-11). I can see him sticking the league but not sure he's the kind of player you spend draft capital on.


I wish Dillon Jones was 6'5" without shoes, but he plays more like 6'4" comboguard. I'd take Djurisic with #37 pick if no other projected first rounders fall into 2nd round. I like idea of big european wing at SF as part of bench unit.

So my scenario would be an energy big (for instance, Holmes) and Djurisic(draft-and-stash). Bring back Monte Morris, let Anderson and McLaughlin test FA market. Maybe bring back Luka Garza for min

Gobert/Towns/Holmes
Towns/Reid/Miller
McDaniels/Minott/??? +Jaylen Clark (2W)
Edwards/NAW/Moore + Djurisic (draft-and-stash)
Conley/Morris/NAW + Nix (2W)
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#368 » by LondonWolf91 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:20 pm

I like the look of this Nikola Djurisic
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#369 » by Sealab2024 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:07 pm

I could be talked into Christie pretty easily at 27. Three point shooting off the bounce is an insanely valuable trait that this kid looks to have in spades. He's a decent ball handler and passer and much of his defensive and finishing deficiencies will improve with age and strength. He could easily be an important bench piece pretty quickly.

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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#370 » by minimus » Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:10 pm

A few hidden gem candidates from Locked on draft podcast:

Jalen Bridges
Kevin McCullar
Malevy Leons
Jaylen Wells
David Jones
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#371 » by Mattya » Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:28 pm

I’m taking AJ Johnson at 27. I’d probably trade the 2nd rounders unless Christie or Durisic are there.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#372 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:50 pm

Sealab2024 wrote:I could be talked into Christie pretty easily at 27. Three point shooting off the bounce is an insanely valuable trait that this kid looks to have in spades. He's a decent ball handler and passer and much of his defensive and finishing deficiencies will improve with age and strength. He could easily be an important bench piece pretty quickly.

Get Cam and Adem Bona and I'm good.

Cam Christie is absolutely one of my favorites. It's a play for the longterm, which I think is important especially because NAW (who is a very similarly molded wing) is set for free agency after next season.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#373 » by shangrila » Wed Jun 12, 2024 9:18 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
shangrila wrote:
minimus wrote:I hope that TC will bring back Morris, so I would be happy if we draft a comboforward who can contribute as part of bench unit. Is Miller ready? Can Clark get some minutes? Where we get shooting?

Reid-???-???-NAW-Morris

Here is the list of players who has had workouts in MIN, only one freshman https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

It should be noted that anyone listed as 2004 could be considered a freshman, or at worst a sophomore.

Interestingly, there aren't any sophomores on the list and overall its almost exclusively juniors and seniors. Obviously there's a lot of time left for workouts but this would represent a significant change in their previous draft philosophy


And I like that. We're going to need to start replacing higher priced bench players with cheaper guys. So it makes sense to be looking more at guys who might be able to play now.

Yeah, that wasn't a complaint. More of an observation.

I actually think it fits their red-shirt the first season model a little better too. If you take a guy like Baylor Sheierman (sp?), give him a year in the G League to acclimate to the league, then I'd have more confidence he's going to be ready for a role off the bench in the following season than someone like Minott (who was always a 2 year project at best and is looking even longer at this stage).

The other characteristics they seem to value aside from age is physical tools however, which might knock a few guys off like Baylor
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#374 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:13 am

shangrila wrote:
minimus wrote:I hope that TC will bring back Morris, so I would be happy if we draft a comboforward who can contribute as part of bench unit. Is Miller ready? Can Clark get some minutes? Where we get shooting?

Reid-???-???-NAW-Morris

Here is the list of players who has had workouts in MIN, only one freshman https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

It should be noted that anyone listed as 2004 could be considered a freshman, or at worst a sophomore.

Interestingly, there aren't any sophomores on the list and overall its almost exclusively juniors and seniors. Obviously there's a lot of time left for workouts but this would represent a significant change in their previous draft philosophy

To this point though, they aren't completely against guys with perceived higher floors. I'd say Moore and Kessler both fall into this category, and possibly Jaylen Clark.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#375 » by younggunsmn » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:14 am

I see a lot of depth at the 4 and 5 this year and even though we badly need a guard, that's probably where I'd go with our picks.
Guard crop is really suboptimal.

Maybe we find a Gobert protege or future 4 (already out on Miller ever being a starting caliber player).

Edey might fall into trade up range, or Daron Holmes if we stay put.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#376 » by minimus » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:25 am

younggunsmn wrote:I see a lot of depth at the 4 and 5 this year and even though we badly need a guard, that's probably where I'd go with our picks.
Guard crop is really suboptimal.

Maybe we find a Gobert protege or future 4 (already out on Miller ever being a starting caliber player).

Edey might fall into trade up range, or Daron Holmes if we stay put.


I believe we still should draft BPA regardless of position. C/PF is our deepest position but it is more about finding and developing talents and making trades to shape and improve this roster. And we still huge void at wings behind McDaniels, and a lot of uncertainty at PG
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#377 » by Rookie-Mistake » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:10 pm

We need shooting.

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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#378 » by Mamba4Goat » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:31 pm

younggunsmn wrote:I see a lot of depth at the 4 and 5 this year and even though we badly need a guard, that's probably where I'd go with our picks.
Guard crop is really suboptimal.

Maybe we find a Gobert protege or future 4 (already out on Miller ever being a starting caliber player).

Edey might fall into trade up range, or Daron Holmes if we stay put.


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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#379 » by slick21 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:07 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:We need shooting.

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This. Need someone with the ability to get hot and put the ball in the hoop. Enough with the long limbed defensive-minded players like Moore, Minott, Clark. Find a player that can contribute on offense right away.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#380 » by Norseman79 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:11 pm

Filipowski at 27 isn't sexy, but checks a box. Especially if we run it back.

Conley Jr, NAW
Edwards, Clark
McDaniels, Miller
Towns, Reid
Gobert, Filipowski

Really lacking bench scoring but doubt we can afford that.

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