Trade Talk (Part Four)

[minimus]

Basically in their current form they have few trade assets, no cap space, and are looking at mediocre draft picks.

That is GM nightmare. There always might be a chance that you draft next Giannis or Donovan Mitchell but on other hands you can spend years in rebuilding mode trying to develop guys like Josh Jackson, Dragan Bender.

[shangrila]

Basically in their current form they have few trade assets, no cap space, and are looking at mediocre draft picks.

That is GM nightmare. There always might be a chance that you draft next Giannis or Donovan Mitchell but on other hands you can spend years in rebuilding mode trying to develop guys like Josh Jackson, Dragan Bender.

They're not that bad.

They got Fultz, who looks like a good player. Isaac has had some injury issues but when healthy is All-Defence and Bamba was meant to be something similar, though I have no idea how he's developed. That's a couple of solid young pieces to build around. Meanwhile Gordon and Vucevic have value if you want to move on, not to mention Fournier, and you might not be Miami but you're still in Florida so you've got some location appeal to FAs.

[minimus]

Basically in their current form they have few trade assets, no cap space, and are looking at mediocre draft picks.

That is GM nightmare. There always might be a chance that you draft next Giannis or Donovan Mitchell but on other hands you can spend years in rebuilding mode trying to develop guys like Josh Jackson, Dragan Bender.

They're not that bad.

They got Fultz, who looks like a good player. Isaac has had some injury issues but when healthy is All-Defence and Bamba was meant to be something similar, though I have no idea how he's developed. That's a couple of solid young pieces to build around. Meanwhile, Gordon and Vucevic have value if you want to move on, not to mention Fournier, and you might not be Miami but you're still in Florida so you've got some location appeal to FAs.

Yeah, they are not that bad as a team, because they are in the bubble. But from GM point of view, I don't see them as promising team. Isaac, Aminu are injured. Vuс has neutral trading value, Gordon trade can net a lottery pick, Fournier is an expiring with PO. As much as Florida weather is better than MIN, but no big FA considers it as a huge bonus. They stuck in in the mediocrity, fringe playoff team. No chance against BOS, no chance against MIL, no chance against TOR, no chance against PHI. They had one playoff win last season.

[Klomp]

Orlando would be a perfect current-day example of a treadmilling team.

[yungmasaiah]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

[NebWolvesFan]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

The value is good, but I think Minnesota plans to go into next year with Beasley, Okogie and Culver at the 2. They will be looking for forwards with the Johnson contract and first round picks.

[KGdaBom]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

I like Powell so I like the deal. We need more shooters. Why don't you put in the word to what's his name GM of yours and tell him the Wolves are ready to deal.

[Norseman79]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

No thanks, we have enough 2's. Now, talk to me about OG... Anunoby is really the only piece, besides Siakim I would be interested in.

[yungmasaiah]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

No thanks, we have enough 2's. Now, talk to me about OG... Anunoby is really the only piece, besides Siakim I would be interested in.

OG is basically untouchable, we see him as the next potential Kawhi Leonard lol. Even back in 2018 before we traded for Kawhi, the Spurs wanted Derozan + Siakam +FRP (obv turned down), then they wanted Derozan + OG +FRP for Leonard+Green (We still turned that trade down as well) until they took Derozan+Poetlt+FRP for kawhi and danny. We almost dealt with you guys for Jimmy Butler but we didn't want to give up OG. Point is OG is untouchable (now if Kawhi resigned, OG would be available most likely for a star package). Only time OG would be tradeable for us would be if he got older and stopped developing, we signed a star longterm like Giannis or Leonard that is in his position, or We were offered an A-list star/prospect for him like Lillard, Booker, Porzingis, J.Brown, Tatum, etc.. His trade value will be more realistic when he's older and its more clear whether he'll be the next Kawhi or the next Otto Porter lol.
OG + Siakam = Untouchable
The rest of the guys are fair game for the right price
Edit: If you're worried about overstacking the 2 spot, You can run Culver at the 3 and have okogie come off the bench for one of them, when Culver isn't on the floor you can play Powell at the 3, or you can simply start Powell at the 3 (Powell started at the 3 for us before on our 51 win team in 2017 before we got OG, so he can play the SF position if you play him there, his defense and 3pt production on Paul George was actually the only reason we got out the first round that year)

[Norseman79]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

No thanks, we have enough 2's. Now, talk to me about OG... Anunoby is really the only piece, besides Siakim I would be interested in.

OG is basically untouchable, we see him as the next potential Kawhi Leonard lol. Even back in 2018 before we traded for Kawhi, the Spurs wanted Derozan + Siakam +FRP (obv turned down), then they wanted Derozan + OG +FRP for Leonard+Green (We still turned that trade down as well) until they took Derozan+Poetlt+FRP for kawhi and danny. We almost dealt with you guys for Jimmy Butler but we didn't want to give up OG. Point is OG is untouchable (now if Kawhi resigned, OG would be available most likely for a star package). Only time OG would be tradeable for us would be if he got older and stopped developing, we signed a star longterm like Giannis or Leonard that is in his position, or We were offered an A-list star/prospect for him like Lillard, Booker, Porzingis, J.Brown, Tatum, etc.. His trade value will be more realistic when he's older and its more clear whether he'll be the next Kawhi or the next Otto Porter lol.
OG + Siakam = Untouchable
The rest of the guys are fair game for the right price

Yeah, really not interested in anyone else.

[Neeva]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

So now that powell has kind of recouped a little value you want to unload him?

[yungmasaiah]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

So now that powell has kind of recouped a little value you want to unload him?

It would be either him, OG or Fred Vanvleet being gone because of cap reasons. OG is a must re-sign, Fred is going to be Lowry's permanent replacement so we can't lose him, and Powell plays a position that we are most stacked at (SG/SF). We will not be bringing back Ibaka (again for cap reasons) and we cannot rely on gasol at 36 to lockdown that center position. It would be smart to trade Powell in hopes of getting someone at 17 that can produce close to powell sometime in the future at the center position. In your situation your core has a lot of young prospects and less "win now" players around dlo and kat, while we (raptors) are filled with "win now" players and not enough young prospects that can give decent production at a cheap cost. Too many win now players may guarantee success now for the expense of the future and too many young prospects sacrifices success now for hopes of a greater future.

With you guys making the postseason once in 15 years I think it would be more beneficial taking a win now player rather than depending on your management to make a pick that will turn out better than Powell at 17 (especially since powell fits with your core's timeline). Also you will still have the third pick in the draft so you can still select a potential star like Toppin.
Dlo/Powell/Spellman/Toppin/Kat
/Okogie/Culver /Naz
If you think your team's management could come up with a better team than the one listed above with the 17th pick, I say it's good to believe. But they've also had over a decade of doing that with no results. Your team has had picks way better than the 17th and have selected d-league players with lottery picks. I wouldnt be too overprotective on that 17th pick... Last time you guys traded for a win now player was Butler I believe, if wiggins and kat didnt have a soft mentality and Jimmy stayed you guys would be better than the Jazz right now while having Kat and Dlo improve and would have a true shot at a title. If you kept Lavine, Markannen and Kris Dunn, you would be stuck outside the lottery for many years similar to the bulls, maybe would make 8th seed a couple of times and WCF once when everyone is in their primes. Powell is a young borderline all-star who we will not be able to pay because we are paying Vanvleet and OG over him (two other players with all star potential)
Our team will not go in lux tax for many years without a true superstar (top 10 player)

If we still had a true superstar like Leonard I would not give up Powell even for the 10th pick, because I know we have a true title shot and Powell's production would be needed in the playoffs. Its all situational.
We lose Powell we wont be as good but we will still be a top4 east team without him.
You gain Powell, you still won't be contenders but making the playoffs consistently should be a nice start.

[Neeva]

YEp no thanks id take my chances with whoever falls between Maxey/saddiq bey/ even Josh green than Powell having another decent year , good chance this season was a fluke anyway. By the way we know the wolves playoff history there is no need to remind us how much harder it is to make the playoffs in the west.

[old school 34]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

So now that powell has kind of recouped a little value you want to unload him?

It would be either him, OG or Fred Vanvleet being gone because of cap reasons. OG is a must re-sign, Fred is going to be Lowry's permanent replacement so we can't lose him, and Powell plays a position that we are most stacked at (SG/SF). We will not be bringing back Ibaka (again for cap reasons) and we cannot rely on gasol at 36 to lockdown that center position. It would be smart to trade Powell in hopes of getting someone at 17 that can produce close to powell sometime in the future at the center position. In your situation your core has a lot of young prospects and less "win now" players around dlo and kat, while we (raptors) are filled with "win now" players and not enough young prospects that can give decent production at a cheap cost. Too many win now players may guarantee success now for the expense of the future and too many young prospects sacrifices success now for hopes of a greater future.

With you guys making the postseason once in 15 years I think it would be more beneficial taking a win now player rather than depending on your management to make a pick that will turn out better than Powell at 17 (especially since powell fits with your core's timeline). Also you will still have the third pick in the draft so you can still select a potential star like Toppin.
Dlo/Powell/Spellman/Toppin/Kat
/Okogie/Culver /Naz
If you think your team's management could come up with a better team than the one listed above with the 17th pick, I say it's good to believe. But they've also had over a decade of doing that with no results. Your team has had picks way better than the 17th and have selected d-league players with lottery picks. I wouldnt be too overprotective on that 17th pick... Last time you guys traded for a win now player was Butler I believe, if wiggins and kat didnt have a soft mentality and Jimmy stayed you guys would be better than the Jazz right now while having Kat and Dlo improve and would have a true shot at a title. If you kept Lavine, Markannen and Kris Dunn, you would be stuck outside the lottery for many years similar to the bulls, maybe would make 8th seed a couple of times and WCF once when everyone is in their primes. Powell is a young borderline all-star who we will not be able to pay because we are paying Vanvleet and OG over him (two other players with all star potential)
Our team will not go in lux tax for many years without a true superstar (top 10 player)

If we still had a true superstar like Leonard I would not give up Powell even for the 10th pick, because I know we have a true title shot and Powell's production would be needed in the playoffs. Its all situational.
We lose Powell we wont be as good but we will still be a top4 east team without him.
You gain Powell, you still won't be contenders but making the playoffs consistently should be a nice start.

Powell has value & i definitely like him as a player....i appreciate guys from other boards jumping over & creating dialogue...but referencing powell as an up & coming all star...c'mon man, not even in the east....let's stay in the realm of reality .

Fair point on not overselling that picks are going to turn into rotation guys...even @ 3 (if that's where we fall)...but no reason for Rosas to move that pick without maximizing value because others before him didn't evaluate & draft well? I do think we'll move at least 1 pick (maybe more), but for better or worse...he'll push for a splashier deal...whether or not he finds a partner ...we'll see?

Back to Powell....if there’s something out there between us...I see it more as something like Okogie and filler (maybe some of our 1+3's or Evans, who could essentially become a lesser expiring by not picking up options)? We get what we hope Okogie to eventually be & you get the guy that could replace him on rookie deal? That at least gets us closer to something that maybe they buy into...

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[Norseman79]

Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

So now that powell has kind of recouped a little value you want to unload him?

It would be either him, OG or Fred Vanvleet being gone because of cap reasons. OG is a must re-sign, Fred is going to be Lowry's permanent replacement so we can't lose him, and Powell plays a position that we are most stacked at (SG/SF). We will not be bringing back Ibaka (again for cap reasons) and we cannot rely on gasol at 36 to lockdown that center position. It would be smart to trade Powell in hopes of getting someone at 17 that can produce close to powell sometime in the future at the center position. In your situation your core has a lot of young prospects and less "win now" players around dlo and kat, while we (raptors) are filled with "win now" players and not enough young prospects that can give decent production at a cheap cost. Too many win now players may guarantee success now for the expense of the future and too many young prospects sacrifices success now for hopes of a greater future.

With you guys making the postseason once in 15 years I think it would be more beneficial taking a win now player rather than depending on your management to make a pick that will turn out better than Powell at 17 (especially since powell fits with your core's timeline). Also you will still have the third pick in the draft so you can still select a potential star like Toppin.
Dlo/Powell/Spellman/Toppin/Kat
/Okogie/Culver /Naz
If you think your team's management could come up with a better team than the one listed above with the 17th pick, I say it's good to believe. But they've also had over a decade of doing that with no results. Your team has had picks way better than the 17th and have selected d-league players with lottery picks. I wouldnt be too overprotective on that 17th pick... Last time you guys traded for a win now player was Butler I believe, if wiggins and kat didnt have a soft mentality and Jimmy stayed you guys would be better than the Jazz right now while having Kat and Dlo improve and would have a true shot at a title. If you kept Lavine, Markannen and Kris Dunn, you would be stuck outside the lottery for many years similar to the bulls, maybe would make 8th seed a couple of times and WCF once when everyone is in their primes. Powell is a young borderline all-star who we will not be able to pay because we are paying Vanvleet and OG over him (two other players with all star potential)
Our team will not go in lux tax for many years without a true superstar (top 10 player)

If we still had a true superstar like Leonard I would not give up Powell even for the 10th pick, because I know we have a true title shot and Powell's production would be needed in the playoffs. Its all situational.
We lose Powell we wont be as good but we will still be a top4 east team without him.
You gain Powell, you still won't be contenders but making the playoffs consistently should be a nice start.

Look,I get your love for the Raptors, Powell just isn't a position of need. He had a good year, and has been a solid player. The Wolves need forwards. If Powell was 6'8 or 9 I would take that trade under strong consideration. Just doesn't line up.

[Jedzz]

Orlando would be a perfect current-day example of a treadmilling team.

Why?

They averaged 13th in the East for 6 of the 7 prior seasons. Last season they elevated to 7th, made the playoffs and ran smack into the eventual final winners.

This season they got back to Bubble status at least. why are they teadmilling to you? Just because of what you think of their roster? If you look at their history after a period of sucking they elevate into the playoffs and inthe past at least got to the finals plenty of times. Why shouldn't they shoot for that again? This is the problem I have when people talk about treadmilling. They apply it to anyone getting knocked out early in the playoffs, regardless of recent history. If you aren't trying to get there, you might as well not even have a franchise. What's wrong with them trying? I see a problem in trying not to be a treadmill harder than trying to get as far as they can. The Wolves fanbase knows better than most, that bottom feeding for draft picks alone isn't going to loft the team into some kind of instant finals run. They have to build a standard of play they wont fall below, Winning and getting into the playoff starts to do that. And then beyond that a desire and expectations for a little more can exist. Without that standard any little adversity will have them shutting down each season instead of playing through it. No expectations for themselves, no pride to play for, no imagination for winning even a little more.

[Jedzz]

Back to Powell....if there’s something out there between us...I see it more as something like Okogie and filler (maybe some of our 1+3's or Evans, who could essentially become a lesser expiring by not picking up options)? We get what we hope Okogie to eventually be & you get the guy that could replace him on rookie deal? That at least gets us closer to something that maybe they buy into...

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I like that thought, that they could get a cheaper player like Okogie plus filler, or... I don't know really that 17+ Okogie for Powell plus #28 in return is too much. Like the other part of your post I didn't quote, #17 is not certain to be anything, neither is a top 6,5,3,2, pick. We know that by now. Powell has had two seasons over 40% from 3. It's pretty huge. The problem is he's only 6'3 and we already have that in a 6'4 shootingguard that can pump 20 a game and people here are already grumpy about paying him to stay. Powell costs 11/yr for two more seasons and he'll be asking for more if the Rosas system has him pumping over 8 3s and over 15 2s a game.

Powell has value & i definitely like him as a player....i appreciate guys from other boards jumping over & creating dialogue...but referencing powell as an up & coming all star...c'mon man, not even in the east....let's stay in the realm of reality .

I don't know about allstar talk, but let's be honest about his minutes so far. They've had a thick roster since he started. This was the first season he was given more then 18 mins/g and we can all see the production. He had as little as three 3 starts in 18-19 out of 60 games. 18 starts the season before, and 23 starts this season. We give Culver and Okogie more minutes as rookie and second year players. His averages have been there waiting for this chance at 28 mins/g this season. The Wolves could say if that if Malik wanted way more than 11, they could say they could carry on with a player like this. And he does come from a team with what I would call a great attitude for balling on both ends. The Wolves could also say this guy is perfect for the next two season to play with Beasley, Dlo. He could get starts or play high minutes from bench.

The Wolves with guards like: Dlo/Jmac/Beasley/Powell can certainly run their small ball 1-3-1. It's going to be undersized but hey, what else is small ball but playing small. Those four players aren't shooting under 35% and all of them could settle in over 40%. If you were looking for a way to make that 40+ 3's a game more productive having starters and depth all shooting like this from guards would be impressive. One could only hope Powell could bring a defensive character with him that rubs off on the others as well. But you would be going all in on the offensive shooting I think and building leads that opponents have to chase.

[Jedzz]

Look at what Toronto has been accomplishing with a 6ft nothing star leader in Lowry, 6-1 VanVleet, 6-3 Powell. I mean fans on this board would throw me out of the building if I was pushing the names of two players under 6-3 instead of just one like I have been lately.

2019/20
Lowry 36.5 mins/g
VanVleet 36 mins/g
Powell 28 mins/g

Of course they have RHJ 6'6", OG 6'7", Siakam 6'9", Gasol 6'11", Ibaka 7'

What an embarrassment of riches in depth. What a combination of talented tinys and talented bigs.

Here I've been pushing for JMac to average over 20+ mins/g as the prime backup pg and people claim it would kill us defensively. Look at Toronto. I would take Lowry on this team in a heart beat if he wasn't looking at his 15th season and didn't have expectations of costs near 30/yr still. Dude made 93 over past 3 seasons and balled out for every bit of it. Lowry was never close to JMac's averages level in Lowry's first four seasons. His fifth season a wise team made him a starter and it made all the difference. VanVleet...come on man. Now Powell? Just embarassing level of small awesome players putting in the work for years until gaining the minutes to prove it. Would love to see the Wolves capable of picking the bones of a Toronto team breaking apart due to cap reasons. Too bad Wolves are cap stuffed. I would certainly trade both of this years draft picks gaining players from that team.

[Klomp]

Look at what Toronto has been accomplishing with a 6ft nothing star leader in Lowry, 6-1 VanVleet, 6-3 Powell. I mean fans on this board would throw me out of the building if I was pushing the names of two players under 6-3 instead of just one like I have been lately.

2019/20
Lowry 36.5 mins/g
VanVleet 36 mins/g
Powell 28 mins/g

Of course they have RHJ 6'6", OG 6'7", Siakam 6'9", Gasol 6'11", Ibaka 7'

What an embarrassment of riches in depth. What a combination of talented tinys and talented bigs.

Here I've been pushing for JMac to average over 20+ mins/g as the prime backup pg and people claim it would kill us defensively. Look at Toronto. I would take Lowry on this team in a heart beat if he wasn't looking at his 15th season and didn't have expectations of costs near 30/yr still. Dude made 93 over past 3 seasons and balled out for every bit of it. Lowry was never close to JMac's averages level in Lowry's first four seasons. His fifth season a wise team made him a starter and it made all the difference. VanVleet...come on man. Now Powell? Just embarassing level of small awesome players putting in the work for years until gaining the minutes to prove it. Would love to see the Wolves capable of picking the bones of a Toronto team breaking apart due to cap reasons. Too bad Wolves are cap stuffed. I would certainly trade both of this years draft picks gaining players from that team.

Being short isn't all that makes McLaughlin a bad defender. Being short isn't what makes Lowry a good defender either.

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Raptors fan here...

Just wanted to jump on your boards forum and ask how you guys would feel about this trade:
Minny Receives: Powell + Stanley Johnson
Raps receive: James Johnson, Brooklyns pick (proj 17th)

I thought since Powell fits your timeline with dlo and Kat (just turned 27 this year) and is in a position of need it would be beneficiary for both teams.
We take James Johnsons contract (its okay because he expires), you guys take Stanley Johnson’s 3m to match salary (can either drop him the next yr bcuz hes expiry or resign him if he plays decent cuz hes only 23).
We have Vanvleet ,Anunoby and Terrence Davis coming up for contract extensions and if Powell declines his 10mil option in 2021(which he most likely will) i dont see us paying him as well.
Powell averages 16ppg off our bench shooting over 50% from 2 and 40% from 3, he could easily average over 20ppg on good percentages for you guys (He also plays good defense for those who dont watch him). You can later decide if you want to keep Powell and trade Culver or Okogie for more wing/frontcourt help, Or if you still have not achieved success you could easily flip powell for more young prospects and wait for something else to click.
Let me know what you guys think.

It's an interesting idea, thanks for posting. I'm curious about a few things;

Firstly, what's his injury history like? IIRC he struggled with that for a while, has he improved? I noticed he only managed 47 games this season and 60 the one before.

Would you be open to other deals? I don't know how the others will feel but I wonder if he and Okogie don't overlap a little too much, so maybe add Okogie and the 33 and take out the 1st? Honestly, I'd rather keep Johnson too so maybe Okogie+Spellman+Evans+33 for Powell? Spellman/Evans are salary filler, Okogie is a young wing defender with 2-3 years left on a cheap contract and a high 2nd. Not sure about the value here for either side, just spit balling I guess.

Finally, do you guys run a lot of DHOs? It's a core part of our offence here and if Powell sucks at it he's probably not a great fit.