Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Takingbaconback]

Could be a prisoner of the moment, but taking Hield from the King's bench to Wolves starting lineup seems like a good option. Don't really see anyone more impactful in 2022 FA pool that Wolves can feasibly acquire. 40+% 3 point shooting and 86+% FT shooting during throughout his career.

[Mamba4Goat]

Could be a prisoner of the moment, but taking Hield from the King's bench to Wolves starting lineup seems like a good option. Don't really see anyone more impactful in 2022 FA pool that Wolves can feasibly acquire. 40+% 3 point shooting and 86+% FT shooting during throughout his career.

The Wolves already have Malik Beasley on a significantly more favorable deal. Beasley will figure it out and grow into a role that fits for everyone as the season goes. If not, they’ll be able to trade him and reallocate skills to the forward spot. Doubling down and getting Hield makes things weirder rather than better.

[life_saver]

people are overreacting quickly regarding Beasley...it's just 4 matches which is a small sample size..Beasley was 4th best in the league in PPP last season on spot up plays

[Note30]

I feel like the Spurs are the team to watch as a trade partner, or even OKC.

Shai
Murray/Poetl(get both)

Both would be upgrades to the team.

[ChiefKeith91]

I feel like the Spurs are the team to watch as a trade partner, or even OKC.

Shai
Murray/Poetl(get both)

Both would be upgrades to the team.

If OKC didn’t entertain Pistons alleged offer they def aren’t trading him to us for anything


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[Note30]

I feel like the Spurs are the team to watch as a trade partner, or even OKC.

Shai
Murray/Poetl(get both)

Both would be upgrades to the team.

If OKC didn’t entertain Pistons alleged offer they def aren’t trading him to us for anything


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Thought it was the other way around. The Thunder offered Shai and #6 to the Pistons for #1

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[TaylorTag]

Would anyone do Jake Layman and a 2RP (we have three next draft I think) for Jalen Smith? He’s been bad and it doesn’t bode well for him that the Suns aren’t committed to him long term, but he seems like the exact type of prototype we need on this roster, and if we can get a year to develop him and use him in spot minutes, think it could be worth it.

Even if it’s just to balance out the roster.

Edit: The more I think about it, the more Jalen Smith reminds me of Jaden McDaniels, especially on the offensive end. He doesn’t really offer much than corner 3s. Also don’t think he is a true 5 who can guard bigger centers, which is really what this roster is missing.

[Norseman79]

Would anyone do Jake Layman and a 2RP (we have three next draft I think) for Jalen Smith? He’s been bad and it doesn’t bode well for him that the Suns aren’t committed to him long term, but he seems like the exact type of prototype we need on this roster, and if we can get a year to develop him and use him in spot minutes, think it could be worth it.

Even if it’s just to balance out the roster.

Edit: The more I think about it, the more Jalen Smith reminds me of Jaden McDaniels, especially on the offensive end. He doesn’t really offer much than corner 3s. Also don’t think he is a true 5 who can guard bigger centers, which is really what this roster is missing.

I actually like the trade. I believe Smith is bigger than McDaniels and is more of a 4 than a 3. Let's not forget,we could use a 4 and a 5. I believe Smith is 6'10 220, and McDaniels is 6'9 190.

[wolves_89]

Would anyone do Jake Layman and a 2RP (we have three next draft I think) for Jalen Smith? He’s been bad and it doesn’t bode well for him that the Suns aren’t committed to him long term, but he seems like the exact type of prototype we need on this roster, and if we can get a year to develop him and use him in spot minutes, think it could be worth it.

Even if it’s just to balance out the roster.

Edit: The more I think about it, the more Jalen Smith reminds me of Jaden McDaniels, especially on the offensive end. He doesn’t really offer much than corner 3s. Also don’t think he is a true 5 who can guard bigger centers, which is really what this roster is missing.

I'm all for using Layman as the outgoing salary in a deal for a big, but Jalen Smith isn't the answer. A player has to be pretty bad with little hope for development for a team to turn down a 3rd year rookie option that is under $5M.

[Mamba4Goat]

If there isn’t a Chris Boucher type deal on the horizon I’d be all for Layman for Smith. The only caveat being that there’s enough time in the season to throw Smith in Iowa and let him figure things out there.

[younggunsmn]

I'd do Layman for Smith. Couldnt hurt to have another big who can at least rebound.
Pretty surprised Suns cut bait already by not picking up his 3rd year option, but probably figure the salary+luxury tax for him wasnt worth it with his lack of a role.

[minimus]

I wonder how long Gupta will wait before he does his first trade

[winforlose]

This article is interesting and suggests Obi toppin may be another V8 but with more offense and less defense (depending on development.) worth a read. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/obi-toppin-is-proving-capable-of-a-bigger-role-that-the-knicks-dont-seem-ready-to-give-him/

[NebWolvesFan]

I wonder how long Gupta will wait before he does his first trade

Trades rarely to never happen before Dec. 15 when a bunch of players are added to the trade market. The only trade that could happen before then is the Simmons deal and with the way Russell, Beasley and Prince are playing now, a Simmons to Wolves deal is not happening.

[minimus]

This article is interesting and suggests Obi toppin may be another V8 but with more offense and less defense (depending on development.) worth a read. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/obi-toppin-is-proving-capable-of-a-bigger-role-that-the-knicks-dont-seem-ready-to-give-him/

+ Toppin runs really good in transition. And Wolves might be really dangerous in transition because all five players can run in transition
+ rim runner, lob threat. No one from our current bigs have this type of size/athleticsm
+ pick-n-roll potential. Might be beneficial for him to play next to DLo
+ rebounder, can provide some physical presence in post
+ locked for multiyear rookie contract

- not a good shooter
- inconsistent defender
- needs touches in offense to be effective

I'd trade Layman + lottery protected pick for Toppin in a heartbeat, not sure if Knicks want more.

[winforlose]

This article is interesting and suggests Obi toppin may be another V8 but with more offense and less defense (depending on development.) worth a read. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/obi-toppin-is-proving-capable-of-a-bigger-role-that-the-knicks-dont-seem-ready-to-give-him/

+ Toppin runs really good in transition. And Wolves might be really dangerous in transition because all five players can run in transition
+ rim runner, lob threat. No one from our current bigs have this type of size/athleticsm
+ pick-n-roll potential. Might be beneficial for him to play next to DLo
+ rebounder, can provide some physical presence in post
+ locked for multiyear rookie contract

- not a good shooter
- inconsistent defender
- needs touches in offense to be effective

I'd trade Layman + lottery protected pick for Toppin in a heartbeat, not sure if Knicks want more.

I don’t know their needs well enough to say one way or another. I wouldn’t trade any starters or key backups (Reid, Bev, Beasley,) the most I might give is a JO or Nowell plus a protected first.

[minimus]

This article is interesting and suggests Obi toppin may be another V8 but with more offense and less defense (depending on development.) worth a read. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/obi-toppin-is-proving-capable-of-a-bigger-role-that-the-knicks-dont-seem-ready-to-give-him/

+ Toppin runs really good in transition. And Wolves might be really dangerous in transition because all five players can run in transition
+ rim runner, lob threat. No one from our current bigs have this type of size/athleticsm
+ pick-n-roll potential. Might be beneficial for him to play next to DLo
+ rebounder, can provide some physical presence in post
+ locked for multiyear rookie contract

- not a good shooter
- inconsistent defender
- needs touches in offense to be effective

I'd trade Layman + lottery protected pick for Toppin in a heartbeat, not sure if Knicks want more.

I don’t know their needs well enough to say one way or another. I wouldn’t trade any starters or key backups (Reid, Bev, Beasley,) the most I might give is a JO or Nowell plus a protected first.

I have posted this idea here, waiting for insights.

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[Krapinsky]

Based on the way this team has looked lately, I wouldn’t be trading any future picks unless it was part of a package for an all star caliber player.

If we can right the ship and team looks like it will stay in playoff contention, then I’m all for trying to improve around the margins.

I think there are options out there that won’t cost a first. For example, Sacramento had 4 bigs not playing last night, all of which could help us.

[winforlose]

Based on the way this team has looked lately, I wouldn’t be trading any future picks unless it was part of a package for an all star caliber player.

If we can right the ship and team looks like it will stay in playoff contention, then I’m all for trying to improve around the margins.

I think there are options out there that won’t cost a first. For example, Sacramento had 4 bigs not playing last night, all of which could help us.

I respect this take, but in the case of Toppin from what I read and the clips I saw, he seems like a kid with massive upside who could fit our needs perfectly. As I said above he is like Vando but with more offense and some more weight. I know on paper V8 is 214 and Toppin is 220 but I don’t buy either number. V8 looks closer to 200 and Toppin seems closer to 225-230. I can see the immediate impact a high energy rebounder could have on the second unit, not to mention the easy transition buckets.

[shrink]

This article is interesting and suggests Obi toppin may be another V8 but with more offense and less defense (depending on development.) worth a read. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/obi-toppin-is-proving-capable-of-a-bigger-role-that-the-knicks-dont-seem-ready-to-give-him/

+ Toppin runs really good in transition. And Wolves might be really dangerous in transition because all five players can run in transition
+ rim runner, lob threat. No one from our current bigs have this type of size/athleticsm
+ pick-n-roll potential. Might be beneficial for him to play next to DLo
+ rebounder, can provide some physical presence in post
+ locked for multiyear rookie contract

- not a good shooter
- inconsistent defender
- needs touches in offense to be effective

I'd trade Layman + lottery protected pick for Toppin in a heartbeat, not sure if Knicks want more.

I appreciate you posting the positives and negatives, but except for rebounding, his weaknesses seem exactly like the fit we need in a big.