Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[winforlose]

Not saying I agree with this. But as a thought experiment.

Mid season you trade Dlo (who bounces back somewhat,) and KAT to the kings. You take back Murray and send Fox and Sabonis out as part of a multi team deal. We can add someone like Prince or Anderson to make this work as well as needed. For this exercise assume we keep Naz as Rudy’s backup, keep Nowell as our 6th man. Resign both players. Help me brainstorm this out.

In a different format

Wolves out: KAT, Dlo, and if necessary X, (X cannot be Naz, Nowell, Ant, Rudy, or MCD.)

Wolves in: Keegan Murray and Y (Y must come from at least one additional team.)

Kings in: KAT, Dlo, and X.

Kings out: Murray, Fox, and Sabonis.

Kings use the firepower bonus of KAT, and the option of either resigning or letting Dlo walk to rebuild. They still have Mitchell, Dlo, Hurter, Barnes, and KAT as a lineup which should make the play in. Plus a couple of decent bench pieces like Holmes and Monk and whatever else they bring in from the deal.

Again I don’t think this is going to happen. This is a thought experiment I have been toying with.

I dont see a reason to trade Towns, and if we do trade Towns, I would require a prospect like Scoot Henderson coming back.

If the Nets completely implode and they decide to hit the re-start button, would you consider moving KAT for Durant?

Not even for multiple first round picks to the Wolves. I made this clear in the offseason and will do so again. Durant doesn’t want to be here. It would be one thing if he said during the offseason I badly want to play with Ant and Rudy, trade me to Minnesota. Instead he would throw a **** fit and demand out. It would Butler all over again, only this time we owe unprotected picks. Durant named 5 teams, none of them was us. He forced his way out of OKC and they were a WCF finals team. He only wants to play for teams where he thinks he has an easy path to the finals and he doesn’t need to be THE GUY. Also worth noting that we have 6 years of KAT control and Durant would be 4 at an older age with a higher injury risk. We need to stop the Durant, Kyrie, Simmons nonsense.

[Colbinii]

Not saying I agree with this. But as a thought experiment.

Mid season you trade Dlo (who bounces back somewhat,) and KAT to the kings. You take back Murray and send Fox and Sabonis out as part of a multi team deal. We can add someone like Prince or Anderson to make this work as well as needed. For this exercise assume we keep Naz as Rudy’s backup, keep Nowell as our 6th man. Resign both players. Help me brainstorm this out.

In a different format

Wolves out: KAT, Dlo, and if necessary X, (X cannot be Naz, Nowell, Ant, Rudy, or MCD.)

Wolves in: Keegan Murray and Y (Y must come from at least one additional team.)

Kings in: KAT, Dlo, and X.

Kings out: Murray, Fox, and Sabonis.

Kings use the firepower bonus of KAT, and the option of either resigning or letting Dlo walk to rebuild. They still have Mitchell, Dlo, Hurter, Barnes, and KAT as a lineup which should make the play in. Plus a couple of decent bench pieces like Holmes and Monk and whatever else they bring in from the deal.

Again I don’t think this is going to happen. This is a thought experiment I have been toying with.

I dont see a reason to trade Towns, and if we do trade Towns, I would require a prospect like Scoot Henderson coming back.

If the Nets completely implode and they decide to hit the re-start button, would you consider moving KAT for Durant?

It would definitely be something I would contemplate but at the end of the day this team needs passing/playmaking and control to orchestrate ball movement and understand a rather complicated offensive system which Finch wants to employ.

Durant isn't that guy, especially with Towns emerging as a terrific passer/playmaker.

Growing pains are going to be common with these team this season, especially during the first 2 months. I wouldnt hit a panic button yet and fully expect the team to look much better come January.

[Klomp]

Chris Paul for D'Angelo Russell, who says no?

[TheZachAttack]

Realistically - there are not going to be any major changes to this roster this year. They will figure it out and make a decision on D Lo. They can get more from Kyle Anderson and potentially find more consistent minutes for J-Mac as he makes things happen.

I'm hoping that they try to find a point-of-attack defender, that preferably can also space the floor and provide solid decision-making. I'm not sure who that is, but I think you could explore Naz + something for that player.

[winforlose]

Realistically - there are not going to be any major changes to this roster this year. They will figure it out and make a decision on D Lo. They can get more from Kyle Anderson and potentially find more consistent minutes for J-Mac as he makes things happen.

I'm hoping that they try to find a point-of-attack defender, that preferably can also space the floor and provide solid decision-making. I'm not sure who that is, but I think you could explore Naz + something for that player.

Realistically something like Dlo and KAT plus filler for Fox, Sabonis and Keegan Murray is doable. Fox and Sabonis go somewhere like Chicago for Lavine and Vuc. Lavine comes to MN and Vuc goes to another team with that return coming here as well. Starting five of Ant, Lavine, MCD, Murray, and Gobert. Or Ant moves to the three, Lavine to the SG and Vuc brings back a PG. I haven’t figured it all out yet, hence the thought experiment above, but this is doable.

[BlacJacMac]

Chris Paul for D'Angelo Russell, who says no?

The Suns laugh and hang-up the phone.

He's shooting like crap, but he's the straw that stirs the #1 offense.

[Klomp]

Realistically - there are not going to be any major changes to this roster this year. They will figure it out and make a decision on D Lo. They can get more from Kyle Anderson and potentially find more consistent minutes for J-Mac as he makes things happen.

I'm hoping that they try to find a point-of-attack defender, that preferably can also space the floor and provide solid decision-making. I'm not sure who that is, but I think you could explore Naz + something for that player.

Realistically something like Dlo and KAT plus filler for Fox, Sabonis and Keegan Murray is doable. Fox and Sabonis go somewhere like Chicago for Lavine and Vuc. Lavine comes to MN and Vuc goes to another team with that return coming here as well. Starting five of Ant, Lavine, MCD, Murray, and Gobert. Or Ant moves to the three, Lavine to the SG and Vuc brings back a PG. I haven’t figured it all out yet, hence the thought experiment above, but this is doable.

I don't think that's realistic at all.

[winforlose]

Realistically - there are not going to be any major changes to this roster this year. They will figure it out and make a decision on D Lo. They can get more from Kyle Anderson and potentially find more consistent minutes for J-Mac as he makes things happen.

I'm hoping that they try to find a point-of-attack defender, that preferably can also space the floor and provide solid decision-making. I'm not sure who that is, but I think you could explore Naz + something for that player.

Realistically something like Dlo and KAT plus filler for Fox, Sabonis and Keegan Murray is doable. Fox and Sabonis go somewhere like Chicago for Lavine and Vuc. Lavine comes to MN and Vuc goes to another team with that return coming here as well. Starting five of Ant, Lavine, MCD, Murray, and Gobert. Or Ant moves to the three, Lavine to the SG and Vuc brings back a PG. I haven’t figured it all out yet, hence the thought experiment above, but this is doable.

I don't think that's realistic at all.

You don’t think Fox and Sabonis is a major upgrade over Lavine and Vuc? Or that KAT, Dlo, and maybe Anderson is an upgrade over Murray, Fox, and Sabonis? Last year the Kings moved Hali for Sabonis. Towns is way better. Probably himself worth both Murray and Sabonis with left over value. What about this seems off?

[winforlose]

Chris Paul for D'Angelo Russell, who says no?

We have been over this. Of course we say no. If we do it we are doomed for six years on the brief glimmer of two years of hope. That assumes everyone stays healthy and that CP3 can make it work here. It’s a sharp turn into a dead end street.

[TheZachAttack]

Realistically - there are not going to be any major changes to this roster this year. They will figure it out and make a decision on D Lo. They can get more from Kyle Anderson and potentially find more consistent minutes for J-Mac as he makes things happen.

I'm hoping that they try to find a point-of-attack defender, that preferably can also space the floor and provide solid decision-making. I'm not sure who that is, but I think you could explore Naz + something for that player.

Realistically something like Dlo and KAT plus filler for Fox, Sabonis and Keegan Murray is doable. Fox and Sabonis go somewhere like Chicago for Lavine and Vuc. Lavine comes to MN and Vuc goes to another team with that return coming here as well. Starting five of Ant, Lavine, MCD, Murray, and Gobert. Or Ant moves to the three, Lavine to the SG and Vuc brings back a PG. I haven’t figured it all out yet, hence the thought experiment above, but this is doable.

I don't think that's realistic at all.

I don't think the Wolves are going to make a major move like that part-way through a season. This sounds like a fantasy football league. We're going to try to figure it out with this core. We've made a bet that adding Gobert to this core, Ant growth, and the maturation of young players like Nowell/McDaniels would be enough to make us a contender.

This may be fun to discuss but we are not going to end up in a three-way deal with that many names moved.

[minimus]

Is Jalen Suggs really a bad player?

[winforlose]

Realistically something like Dlo and KAT plus filler for Fox, Sabonis and Keegan Murray is doable. Fox and Sabonis go somewhere like Chicago for Lavine and Vuc. Lavine comes to MN and Vuc goes to another team with that return coming here as well. Starting five of Ant, Lavine, MCD, Murray, and Gobert. Or Ant moves to the three, Lavine to the SG and Vuc brings back a PG. I haven’t figured it all out yet, hence the thought experiment above, but this is doable.

I don't think that's realistic at all.

I don't think the Wolves are going to make a major move like that part-way through a season. This sounds like a fantasy football league. We're going to try to figure it out with this core. We've made a bet that adding Gobert to this core, Ant growth, and the maturation of young players like Nowell/McDaniels would be enough to make us a contender.

This may be fun to discuss but we are not going to end up in a three-way deal with that many names moved.

I said it is unlikely. But, that is not the same thing as unrealistic. The Kings and Bulls have both in active in the trade market in the past two years and both are desperate to move up in their respective conferences.

In any event, Nowell, Prince, Anderson, and MCD all need to find their footing better. Nowell has been less efficient than he should be and bad from distance. Prince is fine enough I guess, but not having a lot of impact game to game. Anderson is 3 games in so he gets a lot of slack. But sooner or later hopefully he steps up his defense. Finally, MCD need to be more consistent and impactful game to game.

[Klomp]

I think there are two realistic paths in a Russell trade:
-A 1-for-1 swap, giving both teams a better fit or better contract situation.
-Splitting up Russell into smaller dollar amounts, possibly adding future money.

Once you start getting third teams and close to 10 players involved, it becomes unrealistic.

[TwolvesFanRome]

Shai?
Fox?
Holiday?
Booker?
Simmons?
Van Vleet?

I searched for a similar annual amount. What could be the possible ones? And why?

[winforlose]

Shai?
Fox?
Holiday?
Booker?
Simmons?
Van Vleet?

I searched for a similar annual amount. What could be the possible ones? And why?

The why is Dlo is expiring. For example Simmons bad contract is a problem for Brooklyn so they get the freedom to move on and sign a free agent. We get a project with better upside. Of course I hate this move. But it is an example.

[BlacJacMac]

Is Jalen Suggs really a bad player?

Very much.

He's shockingly unskilled for a smallish guard.

He's a single-speed, straight line player that looks awful driving to the basket. Not a good shooter and he turns it over more than he assists.

The defense seems for real though.

I think very best case is he ends up a poor man's Marcus Smart.

[Klomp]

Shai?
Fox?
Holiday?
Booker?
Simmons?
Van Vleet?

I searched for a similar annual amount. What could be the possible ones? And why?

The why is Dlo is expiring. For example Simmons bad contract is a problem for Brooklyn so they get the freedom to move on and sign a free agent. We get a project with better upside. Of course I hate this move. But it is an example.

Bingo.

Simmons is in the category of 1-for-1 possibilities, as hard as it might be to stomach for some. A few other possibilities....

Jamal Murray - Obviously a dream scenario and probably not realistic, but money conscious management may try to rid themselves of long-term money if not high in the standings.
Chris Paul - Probably not realistic because of his leadership, but the money would work.
Kyle Lowry - I know that second year looks ugly, but the start of this year has been ugly for Russell too and Lowry has a history with Finch.
Kevin Love - Doesn't address PG need here, but could help rebounding issue. Add in a swap of Rubio and maybe Wendell Moore after December to help at PG.

[winforlose]

Shai?
Fox?
Holiday?
Booker?
Simmons?
Van Vleet?

I searched for a similar annual amount. What could be the possible ones? And why?

The why is Dlo is expiring. For example Simmons bad contract is a problem for Brooklyn so they get the freedom to move on and sign a free agent. We get a project with better upside. Of course I hate this move. But it is an example.

Bingo.

Simmons is in the category of 1-for-1 possibilities, as hard as it might be to stomach for some. A few other possibilities....

Jamal Murray - Obviously a dream scenario and probably not realistic, but money conscious management may try to rid themselves of long-term money if not high in the standings.
Chris Paul - Probably not realistic because of his leadership, but the money would work.
Kyle Lowry - I know that second year looks ugly, but the start of this year has been ugly for Russell too and Lowry has a history with Finch.
Kevin Love - Doesn't address PG need here, but could help rebounding issue. Add in a swap of Rubio and maybe Wendell Moore after December to help at PG.

Simmons is a dead contract at this point. Lowry and Paul room our franchise (quite likely permanently as the team is far more likely to move than recover.) Rubio has failed miserably twice and would be terrible with Rudy. We cannot have multiple non shooters.

The key question is whether other teams value Dlo beyond an expiring. Can they salvage him? If yes then combined with KAT the Wolves could improve. If not, your breaking Dlo into smaller pieces and likely get worse. TC killed us when he signed Knight and Rivers to the open roster spots without thinking about the PG depth. Additionally we lack high energy on ball defense and rebounding. V8 for a salary exemption was bad. The overpay of an unprotected 27 instead of top 5 protected and the 29 in any capacity also bites us here. Rudy has a ton of value, but Utah couldn’t simply keep him and the competition likely wasn’t offering this level of value. A blatant overpay which limits us.

[m2002brian]

Plus 2nd rounders as needed.


Why for MN?
Replace DLo salary slot with Heild, refill the Beasley role.
Get Rubio back. Ant loves him, KAT loves him, Rudy loves him, we love him. Plus he can run an offense and we wont be as upset with missed shots because he’ll play defense.
Two expiring we can cut to meet roster spot demands
(Or one of we include Moore Jr)

Why for IND?
Get out of Heild salary with an expiring
Get Nowell with hopes of resigning a versatile scorer. Less efficient with the 3 than Heild. It better all around offense.

Why for CLE?
Get a decent slasher and throw in some 2nd rounder(s) (could possibly add Moore Jr.)

[winforlose]

Plus 2nd rounders as needed.


Why for MN?
Replace DLo salary slot with Heild, refill the Beasley role.
Get Rubio back. Ant loves him, KAT loves him, Rudy loves him, we love him. Plus he can run an offense and we wont be as upset with missed shots because he’ll play defense.
Two expiring we can cut to meet roster spot demands
(Or one of we include Moore Jr)

Why for IND?
Get out of Heild salary with an expiring
Get Nowell with hopes of resigning a versatile scorer. Less efficient with the 3 than Heild. It better all around offense.

Why for CLE?
Get a decent slasher and throw in some 2nd rounder(s) (could possibly add Moore Jr.)

You do realize we don’t control our own draft pick this year. Any particular reason you want us to tank?