The official fire Chris Finch thread

[ReggiesKnicks]

The post where you said we’d beat the pistons if they didn’t have Rasheed Wallace and we had A healthy Sam?

Well, unfortunately Detroit did have Rasheed Wallace and we didn’t have a healthy Sam.

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

I never said that...I said the Pistons added Rasheed Wallace, who became their best player in 2004.

Here is what I said.

Detroit also traded for a player who was arguably better than Chauncey/Wallace in Rasheed Wallace mid-season. They also developed Tayshaun Prince, a rookie in 2003 who was a starter in 2004. Let's call Tayshaun Prince your guy's Rob Dillingham for a year 1 to year 2 massive jump.

How are your timberwolves acquiring a Rasheed Wallace-caliber player? For reference, Rasheed Wallace was acquired and Detroit went 17-4, outscoring opponents by 15 PPG in games Rasheed played.

Is Minnesota going to acquire a Top 15-20 player in the NBA next year?

The could. They have the chips and the young star to attract that type of player. We’ll see what happens. I actually think TSJ is closer to the Prince comparison, but Rob will be much better next year as our #2 PG.

So you agree that it wasn't a coaching change that helped Detroit, it was them acquiring a Top 15-20 player?

[moss_is_1]

Why tf is he afraid to play TJ? He’s been our most productive bench player all season against the Thunder, smh so over thibs 2.0.

Last I checked, TJ played last night, so obviously he's not too afraid of it....

Yeah 8 minutes back to bootlicking i see

Who's he supposed to play over? Discounting the fact he got injured, Naw and DDV were carrying us. Unless we're supposed to go super small and have him play the 4 the whole time. Still hard to bench Randle or Naz even if they were having a poor night.

[m2002brian]

I never said that...I said the Pistons added Rasheed Wallace, who became their best player in 2004.

Here is what I said.

The could. They have the chips and the young star to attract that type of player. We’ll see what happens. I actually think TSJ is closer to the Prince comparison, but Rob will be much better next year as our #2 PG.

So you agree that it wasn't a coaching change that helped Detroit, it was them acquiring a Top 15-20 player?

It’s not a matter of agreeing. One will never know.
It’s possible the Jazz should have moved on from Sloan. We will never know.

[Klomp]

I don't know if a firing is the solution, but it might end up the outcome at this point.

[Baseline81]

I don't know if a firing is the solution, but it might end up the outcome at this point.

Look at this without the tinted glass, Klomp. It's unacceptable to be blown out in three of the five games in this series. I understand how some will point to the players, but, the coach, even in this day and age, heads the team. Thus, he is held accountable.

[m2002brian]

I don't know if a firing is the solution, but it might end up the outcome at this point.

Look at this without the tinted glass, Klomp. It's unacceptable to be blown out in three of the five games in this series. I understand how some will point to the players, but, the coach, even in this day and age, heads the team. Thus, he is held accountable.

The new owners made a point to attend heat game and understand the culture. This isn’t heat culture. I have a hard time believing they will be happy with any of this effort from the coaching on down. Moves will almost certainly be made.

[Klomp]

I don't know if a firing is the solution, but it might end up the outcome at this point.

Look at this without the tinted glass, Klomp. It's unacceptable to be blown out in three of the five games in this series. I understand how some will point to the players, but, the coach, even in this day and age, heads the team. Thus, he is held accountable.

Not tinted at all. I literally said it might be the outcome. But I don't think a coaching change is guaranteed to take us from here to the next dynasty. It's not a sure thing. It might work out better, but it could also lead us to become the next Phoenix Suns.

[Baseline81]

Not tinted at all. I literally said it might be the outcome. But I don't think a coaching change is guaranteed to take us from here to the next dynasty. It's not a sure thing. It might work out better, but it could also lead us to become the next Phoenix Suns.

As much as I would like to see a coaching change, I think Finch will be back for a couple of reasons. One, he recently signed a new deal. And two, he's the first coach in the Wolves history to lead the team to back-to-back WCF.

[Klomp]

Not tinted at all. I literally said it might be the outcome. But I don't think a coaching change is guaranteed to take us from here to the next dynasty. It's not a sure thing. It might work out better, but it could also lead us to become the next Phoenix Suns.

As much as I would like to see a coaching change, I think Finch will be back for a couple of reasons. One, he recently signed a new deal. And two, he's the first coach in the Wolves history to lead the team to back-to-back WCF.

Who knows at this point.....I honestly wouldn't be surprised either way. Working in his favor too is that I don't personally see any surefire solutions. The Connelly-Malone connection is interesting, but I feel like Tim wouldn't necessarily go that route.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Could sense from the effort tonight, the coaching staff gave up before the game started.

Knew going in also, there was something goofy going on with Randle. Writing was on the wall he was going to play like **** again.

There is a lack of unity/Finch’s ability to delegate maybe?

I completely disagree with posts of this team displaying no locker room issues.. no. The team has been off all year imo.

We just had everything align with getting 2 mediocre teams that we matched up well against in lal and gsw.

Imo, it's difficult to get a team to come together and buy into anything, when you have a toxic guy like Randle.

Finch struggled bad with Julius before the injury.

Our success after, was Rudy Gobert. Dude put us on his back into the adventagous 6th seed.

Highly probable chance that connelly went to Finch in regards to Randle. HOW COULDN'T HE? Finch had to have vouched.. and now can't control that inconsistent headcase..

It's all the player's fault.. always was all year. Finch barely ever took accountability. Stated the players were shown tape, the gameplan was specified, and they just never executed as coached..

This was anything but a successful season.. we BLEW the sliver of the chance at a championship. Okc will become a dynasty, and then the spurs will follow.

What a waste of talent we had this year..

[Norseman79]

It's time for a new coach. Nothing against Finch, I don't think we develop the way we have without him. But it's time now to bring in someone who will accentuate Edwards and design an offense around him. It's time for a next level type of coach.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Finch is not the one who shoot poorly, who turnover the ball more than giving assists.... too easy to put all on the coach. I don't like at times the way he manage ANT letting him do stupid plays over and over but overall he do a great job. This team is not balanced right now, need to add play making, more scoring from a big. And this is TC responsibility. Let's see who he will handle the off season.
Talents are here, ANT, Jaden, TSJ, Clark... so I'm not that worry.

[TheProdigy]

Finch was in a tough position this year with trying to manage egos and misfit roster construction. Gobert/Randle/McDaniels together on the floor allows the opposing defense to focus on Edwards and throw crazy defensive looks at him. I don’t understand how anyone can watch what’s happened in this series and not come to that conclusion.

It’s easy for fans to say that Finch should have benched this guy or given more minutes to that guy. The reality is that locker room chemistry is important and unfortunately the veterans on this roster just don’t fit well together.

[Note30]

Could sense from the effort tonight, the coaching staff gave up before the game started.

Knew going in also, there was something goofy going on with Randle. Writing was on the wall he was going to play like **** again.

There is a lack of unity/Finch’s ability to delegate maybe?

I completely disagree with posts of this team displaying no locker room issues.. no. The team has been off all year imo.

We just had everything align with getting 2 mediocre teams that we matched up well against in lal and gsw.

Imo, it's difficult to get a team to come together and buy into anything, when you have a toxic guy like Randle.

Finch struggled bad with Julius before the injury.

Our success after, was Rudy Gobert. Dude put us on his back into the adventagous 6th seed.

Highly probable chance that connelly went to Finch in regards to Randle. HOW COULDN'T HE? Finch had to have vouched.. and now can't control that inconsistent headcase..

It's all the player's fault.. always was all year. Finch barely ever took accountability. Stated the players were shown tape, the gameplan was specified, and they just never executed as coached..

This was anything but a successful season.. we BLEW the sliver of the chance at a championship. Okc will become a dynasty, and then the spurs will follow.

What a waste of talent we had this year..

LOL do you ever have a good take?

[Loaf_of_bread]

Could sense from the effort tonight, the coaching staff gave up before the game started.

Knew going in also, there was something goofy going on with Randle. Writing was on the wall he was going to play like **** again.

There is a lack of unity/Finch’s ability to delegate maybe?

I completely disagree with posts of this team displaying no locker room issues.. no. The team has been off all year imo.

We just had everything align with getting 2 mediocre teams that we matched up well against in lal and gsw.

Imo, it's difficult to get a team to come together and buy into anything, when you have a toxic guy like Randle.

Finch struggled bad with Julius before the injury.

Our success after, was Rudy Gobert. Dude put us on his back into the adventagous 6th seed.

Highly probable chance that connelly went to Finch in regards to Randle. HOW COULDN'T HE? Finch had to have vouched.. and now can't control that inconsistent headcase..

It's all the player's fault.. always was all year. Finch barely ever took accountability. Stated the players were shown tape, the gameplan was specified, and they just never executed as coached..

This was anything but a successful season.. we BLEW the sliver of the chance at a championship. Okc will become a dynasty, and then the spurs will follow.

What a waste of talent we had this year..

LOL do you ever have a good take?

Give me an example

[Klomp]

This was anything but a successful season.. we BLEW the sliver of the chance at a championship. Okc will become a dynasty, and then the spurs will follow.

What a waste of talent we had this year..

This part I definitely don't agree with.

[Note30]

Could sense from the effort tonight, the coaching staff gave up before the game started.

Knew going in also, there was something goofy going on with Randle. Writing was on the wall he was going to play like **** again.

There is a lack of unity/Finch’s ability to delegate maybe?

I completely disagree with posts of this team displaying no locker room issues.. no. The team has been off all year imo.

We just had everything align with getting 2 mediocre teams that we matched up well against in lal and gsw.

Imo, it's difficult to get a team to come together and buy into anything, when you have a toxic guy like Randle.

Finch struggled bad with Julius before the injury.

Our success after, was Rudy Gobert. Dude put us on his back into the adventagous 6th seed.

Highly probable chance that connelly went to Finch in regards to Randle. HOW COULDN'T HE? Finch had to have vouched.. and now can't control that inconsistent headcase..

It's all the player's fault.. always was all year. Finch barely ever took accountability. Stated the players were shown tape, the gameplan was specified, and they just never executed as coached..

This was anything but a successful season.. we BLEW the sliver of the chance at a championship. Okc will become a dynasty, and then the spurs will follow.

What a waste of talent we had this year..

LOL do you ever have a good take?

Give me an example

There is a significant overinflated sense of pride that people have in the talent of this team. We played exactly as expected. I would argue we over performed this playoffs.

That being said. Randle is the second best player on this team behind Ant. That says a lot.

So if your goal is to pin this whole thing on Randle and no one else is able to carry the offensive load the way he did during the season then where is Finch supposed to be able to get those points back? Or is Randles failure solely Finch's responsibility?

Better yet, both of our best stars need the ball to succeed.

We do not have a balanced team. We do not have a core to support Edwards. We do not even have a consistent PG.

Sliver of chance at a championship?? We had that last year until it was proven that our frontcourt experiment was a mistake.

Also the NBA is arguably at its weakest talent in ages. I don't care what the stats say. So if we don't have a shot now it's done till 2032.

[minimus]

My questions for Finch:

- what type of players do you need to run more pick-and-rolls? It might be missing dimension for our very basic offense around Ant and Randle kick-out passes game
- can MIN run more hybrid zone when Gobert is not on the floor? It is common trend right now for team without great rim protectors (see LAL, GSW, MIA), and it might be solution for our defense when MIN plays smallball

Questions for both TC and Finch:

- is it possible to add a few quality assistant coaches? I feel like unlike roster changes this is improvement area where MIN is not limited by CBA (read it is on new owners to spend more money on new assistant coaches, and Finch ability to lead coaches)

[winforlose]

LOL do you ever have a good take?

Give me an example

There is a significant overinflated sense of pride that people have in the talent of this team. We played exactly as expected. I would argue we over performed this playoffs.

That being said. Randle is the second best player on this team behind Ant. That says a lot.

So if your goal is to pin this whole thing on Randle and no one else is able to carry the offensive load the way he did during the season then where is Finch supposed to be able to get those points back? Or is Randles failure solely Finch's responsibility?

Better yet, both of our best stars need the ball to succeed.

We do not have a balanced team. We do not have a core to support Edwards. We do not even have a consistent PG.

Sliver of chance at a championship?? We had that last year until it was proven that our frontcourt experiment was a mistake.

Also the NBA is arguably at its weakest talent in ages. I don't care what the stats say. So if we don't have a shot now it's done till 2032.

1. Chris Finch has clearly failed to properly utilize Jaden McDaniels. Anyone who think Randle is out #2 didn’t understand what happened when Jaden sat down. Randle shoots more than Jaden, has a better handle than Jaden, and has a higher usage than Jaden, but Jaden is far more important than Randle. When he has a bad night (like tonight,) we are doomed, when he goes off, we have a chance in any game. Every year Finch promises to find more offensive opportunities for Jaden and every year he doesn’t. A well oiled offense with Jaden more involved was necessary to beat a team as skilled as OKC.

2. We didn’t know how to run zone. There were so many blown coverages that I have to question the guy developing and teaching the scheme. Likewise failures to box out and failures to move without the ball are all hallmarks of Finch’s tenure. The irony is Finch talks about it all the time. He is smart enough to know how to coach good basketball. But no in that locker room listens to or respects Finch. If they did, it would translate to the court.

3. Rudy needs to be traded. He is a bad fit with Ant and the style of ball Ant wants to play. Look at Hali and the Pacers. Gobert forces the Wolves to play to different styles (on vs off,) and he was terrible in the playoffs this year. Finch didn’t have the roster balance to properly sit Rudy and stay big, but that is why he and TC needed to trade Randle for a PG and C at the deadline. Randle had some hot shooting games against smaller defenders, but we have seen his career and we know where his true baseline is. This love affair between Finch and Randle needs to end with both being gone and a team being built to play Ant ball.

[Domejandro]

I disagree with a ton in this thread. The truth is that OKC is a historically great squad and Minnesota was tremendously outmatched. I said this going into the series while other folks were confidently talking about Minnesota having a good chance of winning. Huge talent disparity and horrible matchup.

If Denver pulled off the impossible, Minnesota would be a real contender to making the Finals. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen, but I think blaming Coach Finch really misses the mark, even if I have criticisms of him.