ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

[theGreatRC]

If Lebron can get endorsements while playing in the mistake by the lake then Rubio will be fine in MN. Ask KG, or AD.

Look at these forums. How many threads do you see attacking LeBron and KG because they are white or "foreign"?

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KG and Lebron are black Americans

[Chance1117]

If Lebron can get endorsements while playing in the mistake by the lake then Rubio will be fine in MN. Ask KG, or AD.

Look at these forums. How many threads do you see attacking LeBron and KG because they are white or "foreign"?

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KG and Lebron are black Americans

You have a point

[KWSN-Men]

Why do we treat the kid like a free agent? Who cares if he loves NY. We own his rights. It is just a matter of us having patience.

Well if you want to get accurate here, Joventut owns him not the Wolves.

[KWSN-Men]

If Lebron can get endorsements while playing in the mistake by the lake then Rubio will be fine in MN. Ask KG, or AD.

Look at these forums. How many threads do you see attacking LeBron and KG because they are white or "foreign"?

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KG and Lebron are black Americans

Exactly. Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

[Tirion]

Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

This is Mid West, not South or Kali. People will LOVE Rubio. ****, they even loved Wally and he had nowhere the appeal that Ricky posesses. The fact that he's white is a plus, not minus.

[Genjuro]

Do you think Rubio's camp has a sense of urgency with his buyout increasing on the 30th?

It depends. If he's only looking at the NBA option, I'm not sure it matters at all, since he wouldn't be able to negociate anything until July and, anyway, the current buyout is impossible to pay for him.

However, if they are considering joining some other European team (Real Madrid and F.C.Barcelona make the most sense) the following two days could be critical. Still, there's a web page saying that Real Madrid would only go as far as offering 2.5 million euros to Joventut, but I don't think it's a reliable source: http://www.defensacentral.com/baloncest ... id-interes

[Dewey]

Do you think Rubio's camp has a sense of urgency with his buyout increasing on the 30th?

It depends. If he's only looking at the NBA option, I'm not sure it matters at all, since he wouldn't be able to negociate anything until July and, anyway, the current buyout is impossible to pay for him.

However, if they are considering joining some other European team (Real Madrid and F.C.Barcelona make the most sense) the following two days could be critical. Still, there's a web page saying that Real Madrid would only go as far as offering 2.5 million euros to Joventut, but I don't think it's a reliable source: http://www.defensacentral.com/baloncest ... id-interes

They'll have a sense of urgency to get things hammered out with the Wolves. It's more imprtant now than ever since the money at #5 is less than he hoped at #2 or #3...

I fully believe we have all the leverage on one of the most dynamic players in years. The NY bulls-it has sub-sided as they gradually learn they have nothing ...

[Genjuro]

A Turkish offer?: http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009/sp ... 176502.htm

[Tirion]

thanks, genjuro.
someting resembling a real journalism with actual quotes and sourses named? shocking!

Tim Shea, the former Knicks European scout who is a consultant for Rubio's agency, Winners Factory, said he expects a formal offer from a Turkish club tomorrow. The offer would be about $1 million, with another $2 million going toward a $6 million buyout for his Spanish team, DKV Joventut. Real Madrid also is in talks with Joventut, according to Shea. An NBA team is allowed to pay just $500,000, with the rest coming out of Rubio's future earnings.

$1 million + $2 million to DKV? a pretty moderate offer if you ask me.

Agent Dan Fegan represents Rubio's interests only in the NBA and a source said has made no headway in buyout negotiations, forcing him to file a lawsuit in Spain.

that's good for the Wolves. Fegan wants Rubio in NBA this season.

Shea highly doubts Kahn will trade Rubio despite Walsh's inquiry and others.

"I think he understands he has a gold nugget," Shea said. "The price of gold is always going up. He's only 18, so Rubio's stock will go up next year. He drafted so many point guards because of this. He's in the driver's seat. He doesn't have to trade him to the first suitors. (In an online letter to Minnesota fans, Kahn said he's willing to wait one or two years on Rubio, who could use seasoning).

[tviper]

thanks, genjuro for the link...

however, I note at the end of the article that yet another fact-challenged journalist is floating the moronic idea that a trade with NY is possible...THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRADE!

okay, I am done with the Rubio talk...bottom line, he is special, Kahn is intelligent, there is no trade of equivalent value, therefore, Rubio will be playing with the TWolves when he comes to the NBA. End of story.

[Dan's with the Wolves]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

I come away more and more impressed everytime i watch this. Ricky is so Fin sick. i doubt hes as bad of a shooter as everyone makes him out to be. Theres no doubt this kid is gonna be great for us. Future of the Twolves right there

Finally some Rubio video that justifies the hype.

[Esohny]

Exactly. Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

I feel kind of bad not ignoring this bull****, but you know about as much about typical Americans as most Americans know about typical Europeans, which is not much. Ignorance is not a crime, but pretending to be an expert is just going to piss everyone off. You make statements which have no basis, and pass them off as fact. Stop it. Just stop it.

[El_Lobo_3]

Can I respectfully request that we not be required to put everything Rubio in this thread? I come back every few hours and can't find my last post to save my life, it is way too much to keep up with! Ok just thought I would throw that out there, if you like it, great. If not, just throw it right back.

Plz come to MN Ricky

[younggunsmn]

Exactly. Rubio is less marketable because he's foreign and he's white. You can say whatever you want, but the average American NBA fan is racist towards "Euros", white players, foreign players.

you sir are an idiot and a turd for accusing us of this kind of racism. The average REAL NBA fan appreciates talent, character, and production, nothing more nothing less.

perhaps you've never been to a twins game and seen half the crowd filled with young ovulating females wearing mauer or morneau jerseys or carrying "marry me mauer" signs.
ricky could attract a whole new demographic to wolves (and NBA) basketball, young females, who are the fastest growing group of ticket buyers and apparel purchasers.
put some glasses on him and dude is harry potter, but americans hate that damn euro, don't they,
just like they hate ginobli and rudy f and turkoglu and pau gasol.

Ricky is pure marketing gold, and you are a douche for suggesting otherwise.

yeah, he'll come over and his stats won't blow your mind,
but his passes will be all over sportscenter, and he's gonna draw a ton of fans with his play,
and oh yeah his passing and defense are going to make the team alot better.

[smw6230]

a) however, I note at the end of the article that yet another fact-challenged journalist is floating the moronic idea that a trade with NY is possible...THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRADE!

b) bottom line, he is special, Kahn is intelligent, there is no trade of equivalent value, therefore, Rubio will be playing with the TWolves when he comes to the NBA. End of story.

A) Why is it a moronic idea? Anyone who knows word one about the NBA knows that 3 way trades happen everyday. NY and Minnesota might not matchup tradewise but NY has pieces that other teams want and they can probably trade what they have to another team and get pieces that Minnesota wants in return.

If a NY/Minnesota trade gets done this is how the deal will come down.

B) That's what you say today. We'll see what Kahn's position is in one or two years time if Rubio still refuses to show up and Kahn's getting killed by fans and the media for getting nothing out of a #5 pick.

[Esohny]

a) however, I note at the end of the article that yet another fact-challenged journalist is floating the moronic idea that a trade with NY is possible...THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRADE!

b) bottom line, he is special, Kahn is intelligent, there is no trade of equivalent value, therefore, Rubio will be playing with the TWolves when he comes to the NBA. End of story.

A) Why is it a moronic idea? Anyone who knows word one about the NBA knows that 3 way trades happen everyday. NY and Minnesota might not matchup tradewise but NY has pieces that other teams want and they can probably trade what they have to another team and get pieces that Minnesota wants in return.

If a NY/Minnesota trade gets done this is how the deal will come down.

B) That's what you say today. We'll see what Kahn's position is in one or two years time if Rubio still refuses to show up and Kahn's getting killed by fans and the media for getting nothing out of a #5 pick.

Since we keep hearing about what an incredible piece Lee would be in a S&T with a 3rd team, how about one of you Rubio trade proponents come up with 1 believeable 3-teamer? I've seen the response "a team could just sign Lee outright if they wanted him instead of giving up assets" about 50 times now, ditto for Nate Robinson. See my sig about Chandler. NY has no 1st rounder to trade. Come back when some team wants to send back a young star SF/SG to MN for NY's junk.

[younggunsmn]

Lee will end up signing an offer sheet with okc, mem, atl, det, or sacto that the knicks have no intention of matching. He has NO VALUE in a sign and trade. Rashard FREAKING Lewis garnered only a 2nd round pick. Show me a SINGLE instance where a team garnered a SIGNIFICANT asset directly in return for an unrestricted free agent. Drafting Hill and trading for darko shows that NY has no intention of re-signing lee.

rubio going to ny is about as realistic as the twins trading for a-roid.

[younggunsmn]

these are ny's real assets to trade.

assets
1. jordan hill
2. danilo galinari (bust)
3. wilson chandler
4. 2012 1st rounder (2010 to utah and 2011 therefore untradeable)
5. mobley (salary 75% paid by insurance)
6. chris duhon (as a medium expiring)

negative assets
hughes (only value is large expiring)
harrington (see above)
curry
jeffries


non-assets or zero trade value:
lee
robinson
joe crawford
sene
chris hunter

keep dreaming knick fans.

[tviper]

a) however, I note at the end of the article that yet another fact-challenged journalist is floating the moronic idea that a trade with NY is possible...THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRADE!

b) bottom line, he is special, Kahn is intelligent, there is no trade of equivalent value, therefore, Rubio will be playing with the TWolves when he comes to the NBA. End of story.

A) Why is it a moronic idea? Anyone who knows word one about the NBA knows that 3 way trades happen everyday. NY and Minnesota might not matchup tradewise but NY has pieces that other teams want and they can probably trade what they have to another team and get pieces that Minnesota wants in return.

If a NY/Minnesota trade gets done this is how the deal will come down.

B) That's what you say today. We'll see what Kahn's position is in one or two years time if Rubio still refuses to show up and Kahn's getting killed by fans and the media for getting nothing out of a #5 pick.

can't help myself...

A) the moronic idea is that he gets traded the the KNICKS, capiche? that is why, after that preface, I wrote in capital letters (see, I will do it again) "THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRADE!"

B) the MN fans and media aren't the same as the NY fans and media and I daresay everyone will be quite okay with Kahn's position, because: 1) Rubio wants to play in the NBA, 2) Kahn is quite forthcoming and will explain to the fans and the media what is going on each step of the way, 3) Rubio is just 18 now so no urgency, 4) the Wolves aren't desperate for a PG (see Jonny Flynn), and 5) the Wolves HOLD ALL THE CARDS.

now go away ballboy, last time I feed the trolls...

[4ho5ive]

a) however, I note at the end of the article that yet another fact-challenged journalist is floating the moronic idea that a trade with NY is possible...THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TRADE!

b) bottom line, he is special, Kahn is intelligent, there is no trade of equivalent value, therefore, Rubio will be playing with the TWolves when he comes to the NBA. End of story.

A) Why is it a moronic idea? Anyone who knows word one about the NBA knows that 3 way trades happen everyday. NY and Minnesota might not matchup tradewise but NY has pieces that other teams want and they can probably trade what they have to another team and get pieces that Minnesota wants in return.

If a NY/Minnesota trade gets done this is how the deal will come down.

B) That's what you say today. We'll see what Kahn's position is in one or two years time if Rubio still refuses to show up and Kahn's getting killed by fans and the media for getting nothing out of a #5 pick.

This would imply that Rubio is refusing to show up in the 1st place which there is no evidence to support these claims.