Keita Bates-Diop thread

[Worm Guts]

Does it mean that Belly won't be in a team next year ? Can Diop be in his role? (3-4 from the bench)

I don't think you go into the season assuming your 2nd round pick is going to get playing time. I would expect the Belly decision is independent of this pick.

[KGdaBom]

Does it mean that Belly won't be in a team next year ? Can Diop be in his role? (3-4 from the bench)

I don't think you go into the season assuming your 2nd round pick is going to get playing time. I would expect the Belly decision is independent of this pick.

2nd rounders don't usually get PT, but I have a feeling that this second rounder is going to get PT. Time will tell.

[SaintS]

Does it mean that Belly won't be in a team next year ? Can Diop be in his role? (3-4 from the bench)

I don't think you go into the season assuming your 2nd round pick is going to get playing time. I would expect the Belly decision is independent of this pick.

2nd rounders don't usually get PT, but I have a feeling that this second rounder is going to get PT. Time will tell.

with Tibs only 2 variants
1 you have plenty PT
2 you don't have it at all

[Slim Tubby]

If we look back 10 years from now, my money is on KBD having a better professional career than Okogie. I love this pick!

[KGdaBom]

If we look back 10 years from now, my money is on KBD having a better professional career than Okogie. I love this pick!

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

[wolfen]

Good morning guys. I do like the KDB pick, welcome young man. That being said, since we got Okogie in round 1, I would have loved to pair that pick with a shooter like Svi, who went 1 pick ahead of 48. Wondering why KBD dropped this far, lack of toughness?

[Slim Tubby]

If we look back 10 years from now, my money is on KBD having a better professional career than Okogie. I love this pick!

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

[KGdaBom]

If we look back 10 years from now, my money is on KBD having a better professional career than Okogie. I love this pick!

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

I love guys who draw fouls. I love that Okogie was possibly the best athlete in the draft. I love that by all reports he is an incredibly hard worker in practice. I see him as a good player who has just scratched his potential.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

If we look back 10 years from now, my money is on KBD having a better professional career than Okogie. I love this pick!

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

[KGdaBom]

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Yeah Okogie is one of those college players who scores over 18 PPG,draws fouls like Brad Pitt draws women,and has a weak offensive game. His offensive game to be honest is still a work in progress, but I don't get the talk that he is poor on offense.

[Slim Tubby]

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

You obviously haven't watched much of Williams and the way they used him in their offense. He's young, immature basketball-wise, has great potential and is a monster around the rim. I'm not hating on Okogie...I just thought there were better options at #20. Some people like chocolate and some like vanilla. Like I said before....I truly hope I'm wrong. I guess we'll find out who was right 5-7 years from now.

[Slim Tubby]

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Yeah Okogie is one of those college players who scores over 18 PPG,draws fouls like Brad Pitt draws women,and has a weak offensive game. His offensive game to be honest is still a work in progress, but I don't get the talk that he is poor on offense.

To be fair, I never said Okogie was "poor" on offense. I said his offensive game is currently "weak" and needs to improve.

[Bucketgetter]

If we look back 10 years from now, my money is on KBD having a better professional career than Okogie. I love this pick!

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

You don't always draft based on potential, especially not in this case. We already have a "potential" type big man in Patton. Where is Williams going to get minutes to develop? Who is he going to be playing next to? He would have stunted his growth being here, just like he did at Texas A&M (Boston on the other hand is a perfect fit for him). Okogie fills a need like you said, as well as being a really good fit as at least a 3&D wing. IMO he's also better right now.

[Slim Tubby]

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

You don't always draft based on potential, especially not in this case. We already have a "potential" type big man in Patton. Where is Williams going to get minutes to develop? Who is he going to be playing next to? He would have stunted his growth being here, just like he did at Texas A&M (Boston on the other hand is a perfect fit for him). Okogie fills a need like you said, as well as being a really good fit as at least a 3&D wing. IMO he's also better right now.

Fair enough....I just hope Thibs can find minutes for Josh and KBD. My favorite thing as an NBA fan is watching young players develop.

[Slim Tubby]

You go ahead and keep hating on Okogie. He will read what you say and play better just to prove you wrong.

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Apparently I'm not the only one who feels the way I do: (From ESPN)

Boston Celtics

Selected center Robert Williams with the No. 27 pick.

Schmitz: Along with Walker, Williams has the potential to be the steal of the draft at No. 27 -- the same draft slot of a similar lob-catching, shot-blocking center in Clint Capela. While there are clear questions about Williams' motor, the rangy big man is without a doubt a top-10 caliber talent when fully engaged.

He's much more suited for the open NBA game than the role he played as a power forward with clogged paint at Texas A&M. Boston is the exact environment that Williams needs to rev up his focus and commitment to his craft. The Celtics also could really use a big in Williams' mold, as he'll be a tremendous lob threat for Kyrie Irving and the rest of Boston's offensive weapons.

[Oriole8159]

I have to think teams were turned off by Williams' attitude and commitment to basketball, which there were rumblings about this past year. There's plenty of cautionary tales about guys that just happen to be 7 ft tall and feel like an NBA career is entitled to them, but that don't really love the game or feel compelled to put in the max work needed to max out their potential.

Just because it eventually worked out for Deandre Jordan or Hassan Whiteside doesn't mean it's going to inevitably happen for Williams, and both of those guys still took multiple years for them to click. Whiteside was even out of the league to start his career.

I really liked Williams a lot more last year, but was still excited to see him on the board at 20 I'll admit. I hope that this is a sign though that they still see Patton in their long term plans since another young big is less of a need then, but I can absolutely see why an old school guy like Thibs wouldn't be interested in taking on another guy with potential attitude problems if that is in fact the case with him. And I think the fact that he fell all the way down to 27 means there has to be more going on behind the scenes than we as fans are privy to.

I do think Boston is a good spot for him though. That's my take.

[Oriole8159]

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Apparently I'm not the only one who feels the way I do: (From ESPN)

Boston Celtics

Selected center Robert Williams with the No. 27 pick.

Schmitz: Along with Walker, Williams has the potential to be the steal of the draft at No. 27 -- the same draft slot of a similar lob-catching, shot-blocking center in Clint Capela. While there are clear questions about Williams' motor, the rangy big man is without a doubt a top-10 caliber talent when fully engaged.

He's much more suited for the open NBA game than the role he played as a power forward with clogged paint at Texas A&M. Boston is the exact environment that Williams needs to rev up his focus and commitment to his craft. The Celtics also could really use a big in Williams' mold, as he'll be a tremendous lob threat for Kyrie Irving and the rest of Boston's offensive weapons.

During the live broadcast I remember that Schmitz guy say that 4 or 5 different times that this guy could be the steal of the draft. I don't necessarily disagree with his analysis here, just that he has watered down the meaning of the term "steal of the draft."

[Slim Tubby]

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Apparently I'm not the only one who feels the way I do: (From ESPN)

Boston Celtics

Selected center Robert Williams with the No. 27 pick.

Schmitz: Along with Walker, Williams has the potential to be the steal of the draft at No. 27 -- the same draft slot of a similar lob-catching, shot-blocking center in Clint Capela. While there are clear questions about Williams' motor, the rangy big man is without a doubt a top-10 caliber talent when fully engaged.

He's much more suited for the open NBA game than the role he played as a power forward with clogged paint at Texas A&M. Boston is the exact environment that Williams needs to rev up his focus and commitment to his craft. The Celtics also could really use a big in Williams' mold, as he'll be a tremendous lob threat for Kyrie Irving and the rest of Boston's offensive weapons.

During the live broadcast I remember that Schmitz guy say that 4 or 5 different times that this guy could be the steal of the draft. I don't necessarily disagree with his analysis here, just that he has watered down the meaning of the term "steal of the draft."

I agree with that. Okogie is our guy and I hope he turns out to be the next Jimmy Buckets!

[MN7725]

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Apparently I'm not the only one who feels the way I do: (From ESPN)

Boston Celtics

Selected center Robert Williams with the No. 27 pick.

Schmitz: Along with Walker, Williams has the potential to be the steal of the draft at No. 27 -- the same draft slot of a similar lob-catching, shot-blocking center in Clint Capela. While there are clear questions about Williams' motor, the rangy big man is without a doubt a top-10 caliber talent when fully engaged.

He's much more suited for the open NBA game than the role he played as a power forward with clogged paint at Texas A&M. Boston is the exact environment that Williams needs to rev up his focus and commitment to his craft. The Celtics also could really use a big in Williams' mold, as he'll be a tremendous lob threat for Kyrie Irving and the rest of Boston's offensive weapons.

These type of players need the right lineups

You put Capela on Orlando and he's going to look more like Biyambo

Not sure Wolves would ever have the shooting/spacing that would help a guy like Williams be effective

[Grits n Gravy]

I wish I was that impactful.

Look...I watched Okogie play a ton last year and he certainly has skills but he just never flashed. His offensive game is weak at this point. If you wanted a guy that can defend and gives 100% effort then you'll definitely be happy with Okogie. I just felt it was a "need" selection rather than going with "potential" in Robert Williams. I want Josh to be an excellent player and will certainly root for him to succeed.

wait. So you whine about his offensive game being weak then wish we wouldve gone with robert williams? that guy shot 47% from the ft line and was the 4th leading scorer on his team

Yeah Okogie is one of those college players who scores over 18 PPG,draws fouls like Brad Pitt draws women,and has a weak offensive game. His offensive game to be honest is still a work in progress, but I don't get the talk that he is poor on offense.