Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[shrink]

Many have incorrectly said how MIN has no leverage. The error is that if a player demands a trade, then the team must trade him for pennies on the dollar. The truth is, this only happens if ONLY one team is offering the pennies, and the team is willing to take pennies over the player. It’s silly to think that if MIA offered pennies, that a team like LAC, NYK, BRK or TOR wouldn’t hear about that offer and say, “Is that all he costs? Well, I’ll give you a nickel then.” The first team might have to go back and offer a dime, and so forth.

It’s ridiculous to believe that MIN won’t take the best offer available, and that they will only accept one from MIA.

[walk with me]

Jimmy’s willingness to flip from his three team list to resign with a brand new team, within three days, shows he is not locked in on any specific city. I think this sudden flip to MIA may show he’s not just a rental.

If MIA can flip him in three days wouldn’t many GM’s believe they could convince him to re-sign if they had a whole season?

Kawhi and Paul George got decent offers, when they were far more locked in on a specific team.

Maybe other teams don’t want to lol. 190m is a big commitment, it’s very simple deductive reasoning.

Jimmy wants 190m
That already cuts out like 50% of the league
30% of the legaue he probably doesn’t want to sign with.... teams like Detroit for example.
The other 20% were hearing from and it’s mostly garbage offers.

Jimmy and his agent misunderstood the market. If they were going to go public the way they have, they would have been better off doing it before the draft. Way more roster fluidity around that time. Guys are locked in now.

Many have incorrectly said how MIN has no leverage. The error is that if a player demands a trade, then the team must trade him for pennies on the dollar. The truth is, this only happens if ONLY one team is offering the pennies, and the team is willing to take pennies over the player. It’s silly to think that if MIA offered pennies, that a team like LAC, NYK, BRK or TOR wouldn’t hear about that offer and say, “Is that all he costs? Well, I’ll give you a nickel then.” The first team might have to go back and offer a dime, and so forth.

It’s ridiculous to believe that MIN won’t take the best offer available, and that they will only accept one from MIA.

lol nobody wants jimmy under the current set off circumstances. It’s not hard to see. Every team is offering crap and apparently thibs nor glen want crap back. Seems pretty clear unless thibs and glen suddenly accept a garbage offer.

let’s put this in perspective.... jimmy wants like 190m. it would make him probably top 5-10 highest paid nba players. Not everyone is into the idea of paying jimmy that much. Great player but not worth it to everyone. Probably only worth it to the heat if we’re being honest

[mplsfonz23]

Jimmy’s willingness to flip from his three team list to resign with a brand new team, within three days, shows he is not locked in on any specific city. I think this sudden flip to MIA may show he’s not just a rental.

If MIA can flip him in three days wouldn’t many GM’s believe they could convince him to re-sign if they had a whole season?

Kawhi and Paul George got decent offers, when they were far more locked in on a specific team.

Maybe other teams don’t want to lol. 190m is a big commitment, it’s very simple deductive reasoning.

Jimmy wants 190m
That already cuts out like 50% of the league
30% of the legaue he probably doesn’t want to sign with.... teams like Detroit for example.
The other 20% were hearing from and it’s mostly garbage offers.

Jimmy and his agent misunderstood the market. If they were going to go public the way they have, they would have been better off doing it before the draft. Way more roster fluidity around that time. Guys are locked in now.

I agree, not to mention he stands to lose millions by being a Diva. Bad timing for everyone involved.

[CP1981]

Sounds like teams are saying that Thibs is being difficult because he wont take a bad deal and O cant blame him

Not only do the Heat want the best player in the trade but they dont want to give up a young asset and they want to dump two negative players on the Wolves. If I was Thibs I would be like F that too

No need to take a bad deal just to take a deal.
For Wolves fans sanity, I just hope the owner doesn't step in and force a bad deal just so the Wolves can move on

[Slim Tubby]

I share the same thoughts as many of you. If MIA keeps calling, don't answer the phone anymore. They can remain in cap hell for the next 2-4 years with that collection of overpaid misfits. As this plays out, we are gaining more and more leverage every day. Jimmy will start to feel the heat of potentially losing out on the opportunity to be on another team that holds his Bird rights to sign him to the Super Max costing him $50M and change. It's my belief that as we get closer to the Trade Deadline that Butler's value will only increase. Jimmy can sit at the end of the bench all year if he doesn’t want to play nice and if he causes issues or disruptions to the team, then we have grounds to suspend his sorry a$$.

[AirP.]

Jimmy’s willingness to flip from his three team list to resign with a brand new team, within three days, shows he is not locked in on any specific city. I think this sudden flip to MIA may show he’s not just a rental.

If MIA can flip him in three days wouldn’t many GM’s believe they could convince him to re-sign if they had a whole season?

Kawhi and Paul George got decent offers, when they were far more locked in on a specific team.

Both trades I believe were with teams who were ready to move in a different direction with their players, Derozen actually got benched in the playoffs for his poor play and OKC didn't want to keep paying Oladipo that much money after not showing much with Westbrook off the court.

If Miami is offering Whiteside, it's kinda like the same situation, a player who could be a high level player but who may need a change of scenery. Whiteside's PER36 numbers last year were solid for him but his blocks were low for a 2nd year in a row, but having 2 potential shot blockers (Whiteside protecting the rim, Towns highly mobile) could be a very interesting defense.

[shrink]

BTW, has anyone talked about how much pressure is on MIA?

Pat Riley considers himself a championship-level GM. Right now, MIA is locked solidly outside of even dreaming about championships. They are full of one-way players, they have no stars, their youth lacks star upside, and their salary is messed up for the next two years. Their best player, Josh Richardson, is a good player on a good contract, who could become very good. Their best asset, Bam Adebayo, the 14th pick, has shown signs of success, but his offense is not good, and he can’t protect the rim .. he is very good at moving his feet on defense. This is not a potential star. They won’t find a star in free agency without cap space, and their picks, the ones they still have, will not be lottery.

Miami has depth, with many one-way players that are good enough to deserve playing time, but depth does not let you compete with teams with stars. MIA needs a consolidation trade for a star, and those don’t come along very often.

Finally, how bad does MIA and Riley look if they stick with their horrible offers like Whiteside (negative), Waiters (negative) and a late 1st ... and MIN trades him to another team for a slightly better offer? Does Riley get accused of getting old, and having lost it, if he tried to stick to his guns to get a bargain, and missed out on Butler?

[shrink]

Jimmy’s willingness to flip from his three team list to resign with a brand new team, within three days, shows he is not locked in on any specific city. I think this sudden flip to MIA may show he’s not just a rental.

If MIA can flip him in three days wouldn’t many GM’s believe they could convince him to re-sign if they had a whole season?

Kawhi and Paul George got decent offers, when they were far more locked in on a specific team.

Maybe other teams don’t want to lol. 190m is a big commitment, it’s very simple deductive reasoning.

Jimmy wants 190m
That already cuts out like 50% of the league
30% of the legaue he probably doesn’t want to sign with.... teams like Detroit for example.
The other 20% were hearing from and it’s mostly garbage offers.

Jimmy and his agent misunderstood the market. If they were going to go public the way they have, they would have been better off doing it before the draft. Way more roster fluidity around that time. Guys are locked in now.

Many have incorrectly said how MIN has no leverage. The error is that if a player demands a trade, then the team must trade him for pennies on the dollar. The truth is, this only happens if ONLY one team is offering the pennies, and the team is willing to take pennies over the player. It’s silly to think that if MIA offered pennies, that a team like LAC, NYK, BRK or TOR wouldn’t hear about that offer and say, “Is that all he costs? Well, I’ll give you a nickel then.” The first team might have to go back and offer a dime, and so forth.

It’s ridiculous to believe that MIN won’t take the best offer available, and that they will only accept one from MIA.

lol nobody wants jimmy under the current set off circumstances. It’s not hard to see. Every team is offering crap and apparently thibs nor glen want crap back. Seems pretty clear unless thibs and glen suddenly accept a garbage offer.

let’s put this in perspective.... jimmy wants like 190m. it would make him probably top 5-10 highest paid nba players. Not everyone is into the idea of paying jimmy that much. Great player but not worth it to everyone. Probably only worth it to the heat if we’re being honest

I don’t believe this at all. Some of the best bargains in the NBA are max deals on star players.

Not only do they make money for owners in ticket sales, merchandising, ad sales, sponsorships etc, but they also stroke the ego by altering the course of franchises, and making basketball history. Even now, we have several teams (including MIN) that have locked in players on max deals, hoping they grow into them, to become those types of stars.

Teams are going to pay Jimmy $30, and they are going to deal with the consequences of team construction later,

[mplsfonz23]

For Wolves fans sanity, I just hope the owner doesn't step in and force a bad deal just so the Wolves can move on

If he does, the box office will suffer more than it has in years.

One good thing, if we don't get at least one good player back, we can sit wherever we want again at the TC.
(At least for those 17 fans that still support KAT)

[packforfreedom]

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[shrink]

If only his frustrations mattered one iota. But they don’t. Sorry Jimmy.

Heck, it probably helps the Wolves. When they finally trade the guy, he’s going to look at his new team in a kinder light and be more likely to re-sign, the more frustrated he gets!

[packforfreedom]

so he's frustrated that the organization haven't made a deal yet? maybe he should've asked for a trade a LITTLE earlier than a week before training camp. Sorry but not sorry. It seems more and more obvious who the real immature on the team is.

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[funkatron101]

Any player who refuses to play should have their contract voided, payment relinquished to the team and be slapped with a heavy fine and suspension.

This also goes for GMs/Presidents who fail to do their job.

They make far too much money to be acting like babies.

[shrink]

Any player who refuses to play should have their contract voided, payment relinquished to the team and be slapped with a heavy fine and suspension.

This also goes for GMs/Presidents who fail to do their job.

They make far too much money to be acting like babies.

Good news. There are already rules in the CBA for this.

[packforfreedom]

Any player who refuses to play should have their contract voided, payment relinquished to the team and be slapped with a heavy fine and suspension.

This also goes for GMs/Presidents who fail to do their job.

They make far too much money to be acting like babies.

Good news. There are already rules in the CBA for this.

bad news. mysterious injury is about to happen.

[funkatron101]

Any player who refuses to play should have their contract voided, payment relinquished to the team and be slapped with a heavy fine and suspension.

This also goes for GMs/Presidents who fail to do their job.

They make far too much money to be acting like babies.

Good news. There are already rules in the CBA for this.

Does that extend to management who are purposely being difficult? If the rumors are true that Thibs is purposely doing this to get fired, he certainly shouldn't have his contractual payment honored.

[AirP.]

Any player who refuses to play should have their contract voided, payment relinquished to the team and be slapped with a heavy fine and suspension.

This also goes for GMs/Presidents who fail to do their job.

They make far too much money to be acting like babies.

I think he should fulfil his commitment, he did get a player's option but this year isn't it.

Now the problem is in this situation, he could just keep saying he's not ready to go with some type of pain or injury while letting other teams know he's fine, possibly what Kawhi did last year(and he took very little heat for basically all year).

Hopeful something can be done about this in the next CBA, it's now happened twice in the last year and these are franchise changing moves. Competitive balance has to be addressed because if it isn't, franchises start to move/fold and if the league shrinks that means less jobs for professional basketball players.

[shrink]

Any player who refuses to play should have their contract voided, payment relinquished to the team and be slapped with a heavy fine and suspension.

This also goes for GMs/Presidents who fail to do their job.

They make far too much money to be acting like babies.

Good news. There are already rules in the CBA for this.

bad news. mysterious injury is about to happen.

True. If we want to get into the depths a bit, a mysterious injury needs to be ok with both the player and the team. Often, a team says a player has that injury because they don’t want them around the team, either because they are tanking, or because they think his attitude will be detrimental to their other multi-million dollar players. If a team and a player disagree, which just happened last year with Kawhi and San Antonio, the team has the option to withhold sending players checks during the season after a process involving both sides, and the Players Association. This almost never happens (and didn’t even in San Antonio) because it just makes the player look worse (lowering his trade value) and hurts the team’s ability to draw free agents.

So Jimmy probably won’t develop a mysterious injury that isn’t fully endorsed by the team.