Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

minimus · Post #41 » by **minimus** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 pm

Bourne85 wrote:TJ and Waiters then?

Done. Take Wiggins

FargoWolf · Post #42 » by **FargoWolf** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:So, does this help his trade value, or will teams not want that in the locker room?

If I am Taylor and paying him millions, I tell him he has one more time to yell at me and I taking the first call offering jockstraps.

Maybe it is time for Glen to get mad at the people he is paying massive amounts of money to for allowing this to happen.

Post #43 » by **Calinks** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 pm

AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:Yea but he was actually a part of the team. Jimmy isn't going to be and he is just savaging us. Its not the same context.

He is actually part of the team still.

Can't wait to find out what this trade request is really about, Butler saying you need me, you can't win without me and then beating the starters doesn't sound like a guy who wants out, sounds like a guy who wants to be paid.

On a technical sense, yea. With that said, as long as practices are still practices and there is some productivity it could wind up still being a benefit as long as he is there. At the very least the team will be practicing against someone going full boar. LOL maybe a few weeks of this will see some positive effects. Either its crazy that he's that pissed off and beating on everyone.

Loyal[]Wolf · Post #44 » by **Loyal[]Wolf** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 pm

AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:Yea but he was actually a part of the team. Jimmy isn't going to be and he is just savaging us. Its not the same context.

He is actually part of the team still.

Can't wait to find out what this trade request is really about, Butler saying you need me, you can't win without me and then beating the starters doesn't sound like a guy who wants out, sounds like a guy who wants to be paid.

Yes, exactly.

Loyal[]Wolf · Post #45 » by **Loyal[]Wolf** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:01 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
Loyal[]Wolf wrote:

Read on Twitter
lol

I call BS, Patton is still out.

It was BS. Just for the laughs.

PharmD · Post #46 » by **PharmD** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:04 pm

Amazing that Thibs hasn't been fired.

minimus · Post #47 » by **minimus** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:05 pm

Calinks wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:Yea but he was actually a part of the team. Jimmy isn't going to be and he is just savaging us. Its not the same context.

He is actually part of the team still.

Can't wait to find out what this trade request is really about, Butler saying you need me, you can't win without me and then beating the starters doesn't sound like a guy who wants out, sounds like a guy who wants to be paid.

On a technical sense, yea. With that said, as long as practices are still practices and there is some productivity it could wind up still being a benefit as long as he is there. At the very least the team will be practicing against someone going full boar. LOL maybe a few weeks of this will see some positive effects. Either its crazy that he's that pissed off and beating on everyone.

YEAH!!! Thibs is f**king genius!!! Jimmy will not play for us this year, but he will beat KAT, Wiggins and other starters in every practice playing with KBD, Okogie, Tyus, Nunnally and one leg Patton !!! Karl and Wiggins will develop into All Stars, rookies will develop into solid players!!!

Damn, I eat my words about Thibs management!!!

AirP. · Post #48 » by **AirP.** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:07 pm

Calinks wrote:On a technical sense, yea. With that said, as long as practices are still practices and there is some productivity it could wind up still being a benefit as long as he is there. At the very least the team will be practicing against someone going full boar. LOL maybe a few weeks of this will see some positive effects. Either its crazy that he's that pissed off and beating on everyone.

Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

Post #49 » by **Calinks** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:09 pm

AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:On a technical sense, yea. With that said, as long as practices are still practices and there is some productivity it could wind up still being a benefit as long as he is there. At the very least the team will be practicing against someone going full boar. LOL maybe a few weeks of this will see some positive effects. Either its crazy that he's that pissed off and beating on everyone.

Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

I dont disagree but we don't have Butler. Dude is blowing up and cutting promos to get out of here. Butler is 100 percent a player that will elevate your team but he doesn't want to do that here. If I was another GM, and I felt like he would be willing to play for my team, I'd be putting together damn near any package that isn't me sending a superstar out to get him. I think teams are slipping big time by not putting together a good package for Butler, he's huge for a team (if he's happy).

gandlogo · Post #50 » by **gandlogo** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:10 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
Calinks wrote:Holy crap this story is nuts. He's a legitimate mad man. Also embarrassing that he apparently clowned our starters and just manhandled everyone. Its going to be crazy when we play against him the season, those games are going to have huge static. The toughness factor of our team is looking like charmin levels, one guy has apparently crushed all of that. Good God. I would say "Maybe this will light a fire" but nah, we know by now our guys don't even have torches.

Wiggis will get up for his games, just like he does Clevland.

Wiggins will fill his Depends and need his brother to change them whenever he goes against Butler in the future.

AirP. · Post #51 » by **AirP.** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:11 pm

Calinks wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:On a technical sense, yea. With that said, as long as practices are still practices and there is some productivity it could wind up still being a benefit as long as he is there. At the very least the team will be practicing against someone going full boar. LOL maybe a few weeks of this will see some positive effects. Either its crazy that he's that pissed off and beating on everyone.

Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

I dont disagree but we don't have Butler. Dude is blowing up and cutting promos to get out of here. Butler is 100 percent a player that will elevate your team but he doesn't want to do that here. If I was another GM, and I felt like he would be willing to play for my team, I'd be putting together damn near any package that isn't me sending a superstar out to get him. I think teams are slipping big time by not putting together a good package for Butler, he's huge for a team (if he's happy).

You don't yell at your boss/FO "you need me" if you're really wanting out. Hope to find out what the trade request is really all about. I still think he's been indicated that the organization wants to lowball him next season.

Jstock12 · Post #52 » by **Jstock12** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:12 pm

Calinks wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:On a technical sense, yea. With that said, as long as practices are still practices and there is some productivity it could wind up still being a benefit as long as he is there. At the very least the team will be practicing against someone going full boar. LOL maybe a few weeks of this will see some positive effects. Either its crazy that he's that pissed off and beating on everyone.

Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

I dont disagree but we don't have Butler. Dude is blowing up and cutting promos to get out of here. Butler is 100 percent a player that will elevate your team but he doesn't want to do that here. If I was another GM, and I felt like he would be willing to play for my team, I'd be putting together damn near any package that isn't me sending a superstar out to get him. I think teams are slipping big time by not putting together a good package for Butler, he's huge for a team (if he's happy).

Why would they put together a good package when an average package would be enough? At this point the trade is inevitable and the Wolves have no leverage, IMO.

AirP. · Post #53 » by **AirP.** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:15 pm

THIS is what's supposed to happen when someone does what Butler does.

Read on Twitter

Post #54 » by **Calinks** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:15 pm

AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:
AirP. wrote:Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

I dont disagree but we don't have Butler. Dude is blowing up and cutting promos to get out of here. Butler is 100 percent a player that will elevate your team but he doesn't want to do that here. If I was another GM, and I felt like he would be willing to play for my team, I'd be putting together damn near any package that isn't me sending a superstar out to get him. I think teams are slipping big time by not putting together a good package for Butler, he's huge for a team (if he's happy).

You don't yell at your boss/FO "you need me" if you're really wanting out. Hope to find out what the trade request is really all about. I still think he's been indicated that the organization wants to lowball him next season.

That's a subjective take. He could also be saying that to taunt or humiliate. Like the lead singer of a band breaking up and telling his bandmates they need him and will be nothing without him after he walks. Doesn't mean I want to stay. It could mean a lot of other things and all of his other actions have stated he wants to get out. There has been zero indication that he wants to be here for an extended time.

gandlogo · Post #55 » by **gandlogo** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:17 pm

Loyal[]Wolf wrote:

Read on Twitter
lol

Glass half full - Tyus getting to work with Jimmy, Nunnally getting some minutes, Patton may actually be alive (ahead of schedule?), and Deng showing there's life after AARP eligibility.

Loyal[]Wolf · Post #56 » by **Loyal[]Wolf** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:18 pm

AirP. wrote:
Calinks wrote:
AirP. wrote:Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

I dont disagree but we don't have Butler. Dude is blowing up and cutting promos to get out of here. Butler is 100 percent a player that will elevate your team but he doesn't want to do that here. If I was another GM, and I felt like he would be willing to play for my team, I'd be putting together damn near any package that isn't me sending a superstar out to get him. I think teams are slipping big time by not putting together a good package for Butler, he's huge for a team (if he's happy).

You don't yell at your boss/FO "you need me" if you're really wanting out. Hope to find out what the trade request is really all about. I still think he's been indicated that the organization wants to lowball him next season.

All signs right now all signaling that Jimmy will be with us for the first regular season game against San Antonio. We will see what this interview is all about.

AirP. · Post #57 » by **AirP.** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:18 pm

Calinks wrote:That's a subjective take. He could also be saying that to taunt or humiliate. Like the lead singer of a band breaking up and telling his bandmates they need him and will be nothing without him after he walks. Doesn't mean I want to stay. It could mean a lot of other things and all of his other actions have stated he wants to get out. There has been zero indication that he wants to be here for an extended time.

Or once again, it could be he wants to stay but has been indicated that he won't pay him like they want him to stay.

Post #58 » by **Calinks** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:18 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
Calinks wrote:
AirP. wrote:Butler carried a terrible Bulls team to the playoffs, it's not really that hard to believe that Butler and some backups beat this current starting team of the Timberwolves(without Butler).

I still think if you have Butler and Towns and can find another good to high level player who is willing to give effort on the defensive end, this team has a chance to go deep in the playoffs.

I dont disagree but we don't have Butler. Dude is blowing up and cutting promos to get out of here. Butler is 100 percent a player that will elevate your team but he doesn't want to do that here. If I was another GM, and I felt like he would be willing to play for my team, I'd be putting together damn near any package that isn't me sending a superstar out to get him. I think teams are slipping big time by not putting together a good package for Butler, he's huge for a team (if he's happy).

Why would they put together a good package when an average package would be enough? At this point the trade is inevitable and the Wolves have no leverage, IMO.

That's still not true. As long as they have Butlers rights and as long as there are multiple teams that want him. Minnesota has leverage. They wont be forced to take a bad deal unless they are close to the trade deadline and even though they can simply let him walk (which is also bad for the Wolves and Butler). There is a good chance that between now and the deadline, some team will outbid the teams putting forth poor offers. Just how the market works. If a hot commodity is on sale for 10 bucks but everyone only wants to pay 5. Someone will eventually pay 7 and a sale will be made.

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #59 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:23 pm

its a mismatch if its the all star version of luol deng

minimus · Post #60 » by **minimus** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:24 pm

I am wondering whether Jimmy has just increased his trading value or decreased... Also I think that playing in this mode will inevitably lead to injuries. What happen if he gets hurt for us before gets traded? For sure "win now" HOU, TOR will refuse any trading talks...

P.S. If Butler can make every practice so intense without being ass and destroying any chemistry (which I highly doubt), I would let him practice but will not him play in order to avoid injuries.
P.P.S. I guess Thibs/Layden still don't see any issue and "make everything for this team" and risk everything.