Jimmy Butler

[UnFadeable21]

The final offer from the Heat was J Rich, Olynik, and a first for Jimmy Butler.

Rockets offer was Eric Gordon and 3 first round picks

Sixers offer was Roco, Dario, and 2nd round pick

[KGdaBom]

The final offer from the Heat was J Rich, Olynik, and a first for Jimmy Butler.

Rockets offer was Eric Gordon and 3 first round picks

Sixers offer was Roco, Dario, and 2nd round pick

To me RoCo was and is a star. I don't care that he doesn't score 20 PPG. Saric had two very good years and the only reason he went at 10-11 in the draft was that teams knew they would have to wait for him. If he was ready to come over immediately he would have been top 5. RoCo and Saric was a very strong offer. IMO it was better than Richardson and Bam which I doubt was ever offered anyway. We got good value for trading a disgruntled star who was a total head case.
With 20/20 hindsight we now know that Bam if he was ever offered was the best offer.

[shrink]

I can’t think of a player I would less like to talk about.

[beeshma]

People forget history and it wasn't even that long ago.

He didn't want to be here. He's the one who made it a spectacle until he got traded. Actually, Thibs was the moron that refused to deal him so Jimmy went full diva mode.

Thibs realized how good he was and didn't want to trade him. That's not being a moron. By holding out he got better value than if he had just traded him for the crap offers that were originally made.

1) So you are saying that Richardson, Adebayo and a protected future first-round pick are better than RoCo, Saric and SRP? Because Thibs wanted to unload Dieng contract which is a direct result of his management?

ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Riley extended a final offer of Richardson, Adebayo and a protected future first-round pick. One can assume that Riley did not want to accommodate Minnesota’s desire to get rid of Dieng’s $48 guaranteed left on their books or to part ways with additional draft picks.

https://clutchpoints.com/revisiting-the-miami-heats-failed-trade-offer-for-jimmy-butler/

2) Thibs messed up Butler situation because he SAW that Bulter did not want to play in MIN right after playoff series against HOU long BEFORE offseason start and he DID NOT DO ANYTHING. He lost time when OTHER teams had cap space, picks in offseason. There was no communication between players and FO. Because simple conversations with Butler, KAT could clarify the situation without wasting time and opportunities.

According to Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic, the warning signs began after the T-Wolves' first-round loss to the Houston Rockets. Rather than fly with the team back to Minnesota, he instead went to Los Angeles. He also refused to complete a medical exam that is usually part of exit interviews.

https://theathletic.com/546671/2018/09/25/tom-thibodeau-jimmy-butler-timberwolves-trade-request-media-day-bluff/

The part about Adebayo is inaccurate. Riley knew what he had and wanted to pair Bam with Butler. Bam was never included in any Miami trade offer.

[KGdaBom]

Thibs realized how good he was and didn't want to trade him. That's not being a moron. By holding out he got better value than if he had just traded him for the crap offers that were originally made.

1) So you are saying that Richardson, Adebayo and a protected future first-round pick are better than RoCo, Saric and SRP? Because Thibs wanted to unload Dieng contract which is a direct result of his management?

ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Riley extended a final offer of Richardson, Adebayo and a protected future first-round pick. One can assume that Riley did not want to accommodate Minnesota’s desire to get rid of Dieng’s $48 guaranteed left on their books or to part ways with additional draft picks.

https://clutchpoints.com/revisiting-the-miami-heats-failed-trade-offer-for-jimmy-butler/

2) Thibs messed up Butler situation because he SAW that Bulter did not want to play in MIN right after playoff series against HOU long BEFORE offseason start and he DID NOT DO ANYTHING. He lost time when OTHER teams had cap space, picks in offseason. There was no communication between players and FO. Because simple conversations with Butler, KAT could clarify the situation without wasting time and opportunities.

According to Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic, the warning signs began after the T-Wolves' first-round loss to the Houston Rockets. Rather than fly with the team back to Minnesota, he instead went to Los Angeles. He also refused to complete a medical exam that is usually part of exit interviews.

https://theathletic.com/546671/2018/09/25/tom-thibodeau-jimmy-butler-timberwolves-trade-request-media-day-bluff/

The part about Adebayo is inaccurate. Riley knew what he had and wanted to pair Bam with Butler. Bam was never included in any Miami trade offer.

People will believe what they want to believe. We can't know. Even if Thibs or Riley flat out tell us they could be lying. GMs lie all the time.

[Battletrigger]

I see a lot of bold statements in such a short post full of wisdom.

1) KAT is a softass, loser
2) Thibs was the Messiah, single-handedly carried us into playoff, was misunderstood and crucified by fans, media, softass young players and Judas Butler
3) KAT is new Marbury, Butler is new KG

Did I write everything down correctly?

Thibs is the devil as you show very often in your post. But what is amazing to me it's that he only made bad deccions after bad deccions and, even so, he finished in Playoff (although we almost lost them due to a Butler injury).

1) In our mentality, a grown man is careful when he speaks. That is the point. You call KAT a soft ass. That is a bold statement. I am sure you have facts to back up your words.

2) Yeah, that was an amazing series in the playoffs against HOU. It costs almost all the resources that Flip and others collected for like five seasons before Thibs arrived. And it could have cost us multiple losing seasons if not Rosas. That is what you amazing I guess.

P.S. English is my fourth language. It is not a problem, guys on this board are kindly accepting even an awful writer like me.

1) of course. What about letting Butler and Embid bullying him, the Rockets PO series, the many times that lost a contact with a smaller opponent or the times he dissappears in the hot moments. Man, I don't know right now but if you looked for 'Karl Anthony Towns soft you had plenty of YouTube examples.

2) Man I only care for the assets if they are great of are going to carry you to somewhere. I don't miss the Rubio, LaVine, Wiggins, Dieng and company.

P. S. It's curious in your form of write that you have threated twice( and once they weren't talking about you) with the in Russia that leads to blood ( you cares about the Russian customs in a USA MBA forum) and the you are the one that disrespect all the time with sentences like:

In our mentality, a grown man is careful when he speaks. That is the point. You call KAT a soft ass. That is a bold statement.

What you seem to me it's that you are a immature person. If you disagree you can or threat someone with customs that nobody cares or disrespect, but I have not read what you ask me, facts, I only read prejudice and blind hate.

For me this toppic with you has come to an end.

[Jedzz]

The final offer from the Heat was J Rich, Olynik, and a first for Jimmy Butler.

Rockets offer was Eric Gordon and 3 first round picks

Sixers offer was Roco, Dario, and 2nd round pick

I thought there was an offer from heat of like 4 or 5 frps or something crazy like that. Everyone seemed to hate it because they said the heat's picks would all be high 20s/30 each year.

[Worm Guts]

The final offer from the Heat was J Rich, Olynik, and a first for Jimmy Butler.

Rockets offer was Eric Gordon and 3 first round picks

Sixers offer was Roco, Dario, and 2nd round pick

I thought there was an offer from heat of like 4 or 5 frps or something crazy like that. Everyone seemed to hate it because they said the heat's picks would all be high 20s/30 each year.

That was the Rockets.

[AirP.]

The moment that everything went south is when Ricky Rubio was traded to acquire Jeff Teague.
Rubio/Butler is an incredible backcourt on the defensive side of the ball game.

On offense Butler is able to create for himself and others
Rubio is able to create for everyone on the floor.
Just think about it: one of those two gentlemen would've always been on the floor during the entire 48 minutes of game action.
Rubio would even make Wiggins lazy ass look good often times.

All this team was missing is a rim protector and some snipers from 3.

Need any more proof? Look at Dragic/Butler MIA team.

I am firmly convinced this whole Butler saga doesn't happen if we had Rubio instead of Teague.

And now? Good luck with pothead Russell and company.

Dragic is very good offensive PG who can shoot, Rubio was just a playmaker with no outside shot. If Rubio was kept in Minnesota the team would have had a hard time scoring at the end of games when you wanted the ball in Butler's hands and Rubio being off ball and at that point was not a threat from the outside. It took him being traded for him to wake up and understand he had to get better shooting the ball and did(and good for him) which made him a better player. Also, adding Butler and his playmaking ability lessened the need for Rubio's greatest strength (passing, creating for others) where as Dragic can make catch and shoot shots off Butler's passes.

As for defensively, yes Butler and Rubio would have been great.

Thats why I said all the team was missing is snipers from 3. Wouldn't have been necessary to play both Rubio and Butler at the same time in end of game situations.

Why spend that much money on both of them if you can't play them together at the end of games?

[KGdaBom]

The final offer from the Heat was J Rich, Olynik, and a first for Jimmy Butler.

Rockets offer was Eric Gordon and 3 first round picks

Sixers offer was Roco, Dario, and 2nd round pick

I thought there was an offer from heat of like 4 or 5 frps or something crazy like that. Everyone seemed to hate it because they said the heat's picks would all be high 20s/30 each year.

4 FRPs from Houston.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Jimmy wanted out the second we maxed Wiggins because he pinky swore GT that he’d get better.


Then it went south. KATs lack to handle scrutiny also doesn’t help because he’s coddled his entire life. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERY FOUL EVER CALLED ON YOU. Get back on D or get angry!!Jimmy was too much of a dogg and Kat didn’t catch on like someone like Tyler Herro.


That said you can’t keep Butler over KAT. But you damn well keep Butler over Wiggins and try to make Kat and Jimmy coexist. Wiggs follows Jimmy on insta so they seemed to have kissed and made up. But since KAT thinks he’s alpha, he’ll knock heads with Jimmy forever

In the end, Jimmy plays chess on the court while the other 9 players play checkers and we saw that all of the time here. His grit and able to predict what would happen was fun to watch. Glad to see he’s doing well in Miami

[UnFadeable21]

Heat are 2-0 And Jimmy Butler is 2 games away from the NBA finals

[minimus]

What you seem to me it's that you are a immature person. If you disagree you can or threat someone with customs that nobody cares or disrespect, but I have not read what you ask me, facts, I only read prejudice and blind hate.

For me this toppic with you has come to an end.

Yeah, strangely I never call anyone personally immature, soft ass etc. See the difference? I asked whether we can use words carefully, use facts, not emotions, instead you tries to attack not my opinion, but me directly. See difference?

[minimus]

People will believe what they want to believe. We can't know. Even if Thibs or Riley flat out tell us they could be lying. GMs lie all the time.

Read on Twitter

Do you believe what Butler says?

[UnFadeable21]

Read on Twitter

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[Domejandro]

I know for absolute fact that Adebayo was never a part of the package.

[Battletrigger]

What you seem to me it's that you are a immature person. If you disagree you can or threat someone with customs that nobody cares or disrespect, but I have not read what you ask me, facts, I only read prejudice and blind hate.

For me this toppic with you has come to an end.

Yeah, strangely I never call anyone personally immature, soft ass etc. See the difference? I asked whether we can use words carefully, use facts, not emotions, instead you tries to attack not my opinion, but me directly. See difference?

I only answer this to say that you are lying. You can read again the post. Unless you belive that you are Kat himself I have not attack you directly, instead, you did what you say I did in the first answer and then again. This is a forum where all is writing, so it's easy to see when someone is lying like you.

[minimus]

What you seem to me it's that you are a immature person. If you disagree you can or threat someone with customs that nobody cares or disrespect, but I have not read what you ask me, facts, I only read prejudice and blind hate.

For me this toppic with you has come to an end.

Yeah, strangely I never call anyone personally immature, soft ass etc. See the difference? I asked whether we can use words carefully, use facts, not emotions, instead you tries to attack not my opinion, but me directly. See difference?

I only answer this to say that you are lying. You can read again the post. Unless you belive that you are Kat himself I have not attack you directly, instead, you did what you say I did in the first answer and then again. This is a forum where all is writing, so it's easy to see when someone is lying like you.

About "KAT = soft ass". This BS narrative usually comes from external fans, who don't watch actual MIN games. I strongly disagree with this, because it is simply not true

1) KAT is a 7'0" bigman, yes, he can pass, yes, he can shoot and dribble. But it is NOT his responsibility to bring the ball. Yes, Giannis does it as everyday duty, yes, Jokic helps Murray sometimes. But this is not a task for 7'0" bigman. Your offensive sets should be aimed to get the ball to your best player in his sweet spots. You can be an elite shooting bigman, but without a quality ballhandler and modern offensive scheme you get this.

Read on Twitter

Or this.

Read on Twitter

Or this.

Read on Twitter

Other than the chemistry problem it was simply bad coaching, outdated basketball vision. In HOU series Thibs insisted on KAT getting low post position against Capella and the undersized HOU frontcourt. HOU adjusted and made KAT useless. Fans around NBA started to chant "KAT is soft!" But here is what a good coach Carslile says about KP who is a good 3pt shooter for a big man, but not even close to KAT.

The topic of Kristaps Porzingis' post-ups had just been broached after the Dallas Mavericks' 102-98 win over the San Antonio Spurs on Dec. 26, and Carlisle had already heard enough.

"The post-up just isn't a good play anymore," the Mavs' head coach said. "It just isn't a good play. It's not a good play for a 7-foot-3 guy. It's a low-value situation."

But Chris Webber, the color commentator during the game, had spent much of the broadcast imploring Porzingis to go to the low block more. Hall of Famers Shaquille O'Neal and Charles Barkley loudly echoed the point during the halftime show.

"Our numbers are very substantial that when [Porzingis] spaces beyond the 3-point line, we're a historically good offensive team," Carlisle continued. "And when any of our guys go in there, our effectiveness is diminished exponentially. It's counterintuitive, I understand that, but it's a fact.

"We've got to realize," Carlisle said, "that this game has changed."

So has Porzingis' role as he moved to a new franchise. He spent his formative NBA years playing in the Knicks' post-heavy triangle. ("That offense is extinct," Carlisle said. "Look, it went extinct when Phil Jackson retired.")

Then Porzingis posted up even more often after Jackson's exit from the New York front office, when he earned an All-Star appearance despite the Knicks' losing record.

"Let's get off this stuff that KP needs to go in the post," Carlisle said. "He doesn't. He doesn't."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28390018/a-different-kristaps-porzingis-leading-mavericks-alongside-luka-doncic

Thats what Thibs should do, should say about KAT. Remember, DAL with KP and Luka has the best offense in NBA. But Thibs never realized the change, never accepted it. Instead, he went to the easiest way, he publicly criticized KAT. At that moment some MIN fans started to chant "KAT is soft!" Yeah KAT, run the floor harder!

"When you're doing the things that they're doing, which is double-teaming him, he has to play with energy. He has to run the floor. He's got to get it deep, and he did that a couple times and it was good. "You've got to beat them down the floor, you've got to move around, offensive rebound, kick out, re-post. That's an energy game."

Thats what Teague said (it perfectly describes his low basketball IQ and it always makes me laugh the fact that Thibs wanted to run outdated offense and defense with low basketball IQ PG and still expect a success):

Asked Wednesday how the Wolves can get Towns going, Teague replied, "Yeah, I don't know."

2) KAT has never been a problem in Butler scandal. It was a problem between Thibs and Butler from the very beginning. Even now KAT does not say anything to blame Thibs or Butler. About the famous "Butler circus practice". Not punching a veteran Butler in the face in PRACTICE, where they run drills, does not make KAT soft ass. When real game was on table, he did this.



Players might hate each other in the locker room, Rondo could not stand Ray Allen, but still, they won the championship. The problem was that players in MIN did not fit each other on the floor.

3) One thing it is true about KAT is the fact that he complains to referees too much. I know another offensive-minded young star who does it regularly. His name is Luka Doncic.

Read on Twitter

Can KAT improve here? Yes, sure. Is it the reason to call him soft ass? Absolutely not.

P.S. You call me an immature liar, I ask you to use facts about the topic. Still don't see the difference? Once KGdaBom called me Rosas lapdog, I told him that it is not an appropriate way to speak. KGdaBom wrote to me in PM and we discussed this issue, because he wanted to work things out. That is how grown men speak.

[Jedzz]

2) KAT has never been a problem in Butler scandal.

okay

[flyindutchman]

Yeah, strangely I never call anyone personally immature, soft ass etc. See the difference? I asked whether we can use words carefully, use facts, not emotions, instead you tries to attack not my opinion, but me directly. See difference?

I only answer this to say that you are lying. You can read again the post. Unless you belive that you are Kat himself I have not attack you directly, instead, you did what you say I did in the first answer and then again. This is a forum where all is writing, so it's easy to see when someone is lying like you.

About "KAT = soft ass". This BS narrative usually comes from external fans, who don't watch actual MIN games. I strongly disagree with this, because it is simply not true

1) KAT is a 7'0" bigman, yes, he can pass, yes, he can shoot and dribble. But it is NOT his responsibility to bring the ball. Yes, Giannis does it as everyday duty, yes, Jokic helps Murray sometimes. But this is not a task for 7'0" bigman. Your offensive sets should be aimed to get the ball to your best player in his sweet spots. You can be an elite shooting bigman, but without a quality ballhandler and modern offensive scheme you get this.

Read on Twitter

Or this.

Read on Twitter

Or this.

Read on Twitter

Other than the chemistry problem it was simply bad coaching, outdated basketball vision. In HOU series Thibs insisted on KAT getting low post position against Capella and the undersized HOU frontcourt. HOU adjusted and made KAT useless. Fans around NBA started to chant "KAT is soft!" But here is what a good coach Carslile says about KP who is a good 3pt shooter for a big man, but not even close to KAT.

The topic of Kristaps Porzingis' post-ups had just been broached after the Dallas Mavericks' 102-98 win over the San Antonio Spurs on Dec. 26, and Carlisle had already heard enough.

"The post-up just isn't a good play anymore," the Mavs' head coach said. "It just isn't a good play. It's not a good play for a 7-foot-3 guy. It's a low-value situation."

But Chris Webber, the color commentator during the game, had spent much of the broadcast imploring Porzingis to go to the low block more. Hall of Famers Shaquille O'Neal and Charles Barkley loudly echoed the point during the halftime show.

"Our numbers are very substantial that when [Porzingis] spaces beyond the 3-point line, we're a historically good offensive team," Carlisle continued. "And when any of our guys go in there, our effectiveness is diminished exponentially. It's counterintuitive, I understand that, but it's a fact.

"We've got to realize," Carlisle said, "that this game has changed."

So has Porzingis' role as he moved to a new franchise. He spent his formative NBA years playing in the Knicks' post-heavy triangle. ("That offense is extinct," Carlisle said. "Look, it went extinct when Phil Jackson retired.")

Then Porzingis posted up even more often after Jackson's exit from the New York front office, when he earned an All-Star appearance despite the Knicks' losing record.

"Let's get off this stuff that KP needs to go in the post," Carlisle said. "He doesn't. He doesn't."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28390018/a-different-kristaps-porzingis-leading-mavericks-alongside-luka-doncic

Thats what Thibs should do, should say about KAT. Remember, DAL with KP and Luka has the best offense in NBA. But Thibs never realized the change, never accepted it. Instead, he went to the easiest way, he publicly criticized KAT. At that moment some MIN fans started to chant "KAT is soft!" Yeah KAT, run the floor harder!

"When you're doing the things that they're doing, which is double-teaming him, he has to play with energy. He has to run the floor. He's got to get it deep, and he did that a couple times and it was good. "You've got to beat them down the floor, you've got to move around, offensive rebound, kick out, re-post. That's an energy game."

Thats what Teague said (it perfectly describes his low basketball IQ and it always makes me laugh the fact that Thibs wanted to run outdated offense and defense with low basketball IQ PG and still expect a success):

Asked Wednesday how the Wolves can get Towns going, Teague replied, "Yeah, I don't know."

2) KAT has never been a problem in Butler scandal. It was a problem between Thibs and Butler from the very beginning. Even now KAT does not say anything to blame Thibs or Butler. About the famous "Butler circus practice". Not punching a veteran Butler in the face in PRACTICE, where they run drills, does not make KAT soft ass. When real game was on table, he did this.



Players might hate each other in the locker room, Rondo could not stand Ray Allen, but still, they won the championship. The problem was that players in MIN did not fit each other on the floor.

3) One thing it is true about KAT is the fact that he complains to referees too much. I know another offensive-minded young star who does it regularly. His name is Luka Doncic.

Read on Twitter

Can KAT improve here? Yes, sure. Is it the reason to call him soft ass? Absolutely not.

P.S. You call me an immature liar, I ask you to use facts about the topic. Still don't see the difference? Once KGdaBom called me Rosas lapdog, I told him that it is not an appropriate way to speak. KGdaBom wrote to me in PM and we discussed this issue, because he wanted to work things out. That is how grown men speak.

Phewwww, that must have been a lot of work cutting and pasting to try and prove KAT wasn’t at fault. But why? When will he be held accountable? The one thing you do call out you quickly defend like my 5 yo son by saying, “but see, he (Luka) does it tooooo mommy.” Will it always be poor coaching, poor GM not providing talent around him, lack of snipers.... He puts up crazy stat lines (sounds like another former player) but hasn’t shown himself to be a leader. There are far less talented players&/younger players that have come into the NBA and have elevated their teammates and had moderate success in the playoffs. When will diehard Wolves fan’s expect that from their “superstar”?

Granted, calling him soft-ass is a bit knee-jerk at this point, but it isn’t that far off. Stop whining, lead your team and make the playoffs and those soft-ass claims will subside.