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Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick?

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Would you trade the No. 1 pick, Culver, Johnson, Spellman, and Evans for Ben Simmons?

Yes, in heart beat. All NBA defender and 3rd star to pair with KAT & DLo
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#41 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Oct 2, 2020 4:27 pm

jpatrick wrote:Philly can get Paul without moving Simmons. He’s no longer a negative asset like he was last year, but with that salary and at his age, he won’t command much and I’ve read OKC is looking to cut salary. I bet they’d love a straight dump with a small asset in return.

Yeah, and if Ball becomes a top 10 player in the league, averaging a triple double, Rosas will get hammered. However, it would still be the right move, taking the sure thing (Simmons) over a risk (Ball).


He is still a negative asset. That contact is a killer and you will have to pay to unload it or take back something equally negative and that will be hard to find.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#42 » by Mattya » Fri Oct 2, 2020 5:18 pm

If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.
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Post#43 » by Baseline81 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 5:45 pm

Curious what the reasons are behind those not wanting such a Ben Simmons deal.
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Post#44 » by Midw35t » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:06 pm

Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#45 » by minimus » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:08 pm

Midw35t wrote:
Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?


Yeah, especially considering trade kicker in Simmons contract.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#46 » by _AIJ_ » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:09 pm

Baseline81 wrote:Curious what the reasons are behind those not wanting such a Ben Simmons deal.

Potential? Thats all i can think of. You have to take this deal tho if offered. Simmons is a surefire guy


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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#47 » by SSUBluesman » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:10 pm

I was having the ****iest day and the minute I saw the thread title on the GB I got the biggest smile I've had in days.

Even with all the smoke around dealing Simmons how can this be true? They must be absolutely infatuated with Ball to consider it. Might explain why they were so hot after Doc.

How reliable is the source? I saw someone mention that he's not reliable but a quick search looks like he's someone who might be plugged in a bit.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#48 » by KGdaBom » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:22 pm

Midw35t wrote:
Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?

We trade away equal salary to simmons so he doesn't add any salary to our cap. Also Beasley might be a bit cheaper now.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#49 » by Killboard » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:23 pm

minimus wrote:
Midw35t wrote:
Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?


Yeah, especially considering trade kicker in Simmons contract.


Lux tax is around 139M. You have around 50M to pay Beasley and other 11 players. If Beasley makes 12M you still have 38M for 10. Maybe 7 minimum guys leaving 28 for 3 non minimum guys.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#50 » by jpatrick » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:34 pm

At the end of the day, you offer Beasley somewhere between 10-12m/year, wherever you’re comfortable. If he says no, he plays for the qualifying offer and we’ll see what kind of a season has. If he gets a crazy offer sheet, you let him walk.

Malik Beasley is not a reason to pass on a trade for a top 20 player in the league if it’s available.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#51 » by Mattya » Fri Oct 2, 2020 6:35 pm

Midw35t wrote:
Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?


I’m not sure I see what the problem is? We will be paying the #1 pick, #17, Johnson roughly 30 million as well and we all expect to keep Beasley. Why does Ben Simmons salary change anything?
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#52 » by shrink » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:06 pm

Mattya wrote:
Midw35t wrote:
Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?


I’m not sure I see what the problem is? We will be paying the #1 pick, #17, Johnson roughly 30 million as well and we all expect to keep Beasley. Why does Ben Simmons salary change anything?

The length of the deal, and all three max deals are rising.

I agree though, if MIN could get him, you worry about the finances later. I think they’d still sign Beasley too, though it might make it more likely they trade him for cheaper parts later. I think MIN would be willing to go into the lux for a team like that.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#53 » by Wolveswin » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:40 pm

Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#54 » by Killboard » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:50 pm

minimus wrote:
Midw35t wrote:
Mattya wrote:If you can get Simmons without moving Towns, DLo and Beasley then you do it. Extremely versatile defender, great passer, great cutter and finisher. Now you have at least 3 players who can create their own shots and shots for others.


How do we keep Beasley when paying "the trio" near 90 million?


Yeah, especially considering trade kicker in Simmons contract.


Lux tax is around 139M. You have around 50M to pay Beasley and other 11 players. If Beasley makes 12M you still have 38M for 10. Maybe 7 minimum guys leaving 28 for 3 non minimum guys.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#55 » by Baseline81 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 7:52 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Quick question, you've just given away both of the Wolves' first-round picks. How does that work considering the team has already dealt next year's to the Warriors? I thought the Stepien rule prevents that from happening.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#56 » by Domejandro » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:02 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Quick question, you've just given away both of the Wolves' first-round picks. How does that work considering the team has already dealt next year's to the Warriors? I thought the Stepien rule prevents that from happening.

Once the season ends and the Draft is in effect that don’t matter, because it is rolled over to the next season.
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#57 » by UnFadeable21 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:06 pm

SSUBluesman wrote:I was having the ****iest day and the minute I saw the thread title on the GB I got the biggest smile I've had in days.

Even with all the smoke around dealing Simmons how can this be true? They must be absolutely infatuated with Ball to consider it. Might explain why they were so hot after Doc.

How reliable is the source? I saw someone mention that he's not reliable but a quick search looks like he's someone who might be plugged in a bit.



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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#59 » by KGdaBom » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:07 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Pacers: Oladipo + Leaf
Culver
Johnson
Spellman
#17

76ers: Simmons
Oladipo
#1
Future Wolves 1st

Wolves: #1 + #17 + Johnson + Culver + Spellman + Future 1st
Simmons
Leaf

Towns
Simmons
Hernangomez
Beasley | Okogie
Russell

Why are we giving 17 and a future first? Why are we taking Leaf?
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Re: Ben Simmons for the No. 1 Pick? 

Post#60 » by elchengue20 » Fri Oct 2, 2020 8:15 pm

As a Sixers fan, i think this makes A LOT of sense. Minny looks like the perfect fit for Simmons basketball wise and also off the court. That team would have scary potential. On the other hand Simmons and Embiid fit isn't great and it looks like both need a change of scenery.

It all depends of what we can get for the 1st pick. We are in win now mode, we don't need it. If we can get CP3 and package the 1st pick for another great player(Bradley Beal or something like that) i would absolutely do this trade.

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