Towns & Okogie Both OUT 1 Month

[Neeva]

That's the season. It was fun while it lasted

Yep thanks Rudy Gobert...

[Jedzz]

That's the season. It was fun while it lasted

Last year we at least had a few more postive games before they blew it up.

Amazing to me how fragile this roster is now. It could have been a rock solid team given different offseason choices. Never fear, there is always a Simmons trade on the horizon.

[Jedzz]

There is no point in wasting talent or assets on Wagner. If you must go grab a youngster grab Donta Hall or TJ Leaf for free. I’d personally rather have RHJ though.

Justin Patton, just as "free". Solves temp center and versitility for 4/5 later.

Probably don't do anything and let Reid tank the month like last February with his broken 3 shot. Which is a shame because I really like Reid's efforts defending the rim this year. If they could just get him to put some air under those shots he might start attempting them again.

[Neeva]

That's the season. It was fun while it lasted

Last year we at least had a few more postive games before they blew it up.

Amazing to me how fragile this roster is now. It could have been a rock solid team given different offseason choices. Never fear, there is always a Simmons trade on the horizon.

No need for a simmons trade. Wolves will win the lottery again and draft Cade Cunningham who will slide into point Forward role but have a three point shot. Trying to Manifest it into reality.

[winforlose]

Why do you guys assume the season is over? We don’t know KAT is gonna miss more than a few weeks. As good as Okogie is, we have a ton of depth at the wing. Our PF situation might be bad, but the players themselves are not. Right now a lot of good players are really struggling. Look at Curry going 2-10 from 3 in back to back games. The real season starts in a few weeks when the players learn the system and start playing team ball. We saw improved defense against the Jazz and we quit on the back end of a back to back against the Lakers. You all are panicking over nothing.

BTW, when Beasley finds his shooting stroke (you know it’s gonna happen,) we will be much stronger than we look with him ice cold from 3.

[Jedzz]

That's the season. It was fun while it lasted

Last year we at least had a few more postive games before they blew it up.

Amazing to me how fragile this roster is now. It could have been a rock solid team given different offseason choices. Never fear, there is always a Simmons trade on the horizon.

No need for a simmons trade. Wolves will win the lottery again and draft Cade Cunningham who will slide into point Forward role but have a three point shot. Trying to Manifest it into reality.

Go ahead and manifest that for a year. Me, I don't have any more time to give this bogus team. Manifest something now please.

[Neeva]

Why do you guys assume the season is over? We don’t know KAT is gonna miss more than a few weeks. As good as Okogie is, we have a ton of depth at the wing. Our PF situation might be bad, but the players themselves are not. Right now a lot of good players are really struggling. Look at Curry going 2-10 from 3 in back to back games. The real season starts in a few weeks when the players learn the system and start playing team ball. We saw improved defense against the Jazz and we quit on the back end of a back to back against the Lakers. You all are panicking over nothing.

BTW, when Beasley finds his shooting stroke (you know it’s gonna happen,) we will be much stronger than we look with him ice cold from 3.

Beasley will be missing games also when he gets suspended, maybe more than 5? The Wolves looked bad without Kat and all Western teams look good (even Sacramento and OKC)

[Neeva]

Last year we at least had a few more postive games before they blew it up.

Amazing to me how fragile this roster is now. It could have been a rock solid team given different offseason choices. Never fear, there is always a Simmons trade on the horizon.

No need for a simmons trade. Wolves will win the lottery again and draft Cade Cunningham who will slide into point Forward role but have a three point shot. Trying to Manifest it into reality.

Go ahead and manifest that for a year. Me, I don't have any more time to give this bogus team. Manifest something now please.

Why are you here?:

[SaintS]

Possible free agents option are
Dewayne Dedmon
John Henson

Dedmon can be an ideal back up and possible starter, i suppose he prefers to join contender but now he's free.
Henson >>Davis

[Jedzz]

Why do you guys assume the season is over? We don’t know KAT is gonna miss more than a few weeks. As good as Okogie is, we have a ton of depth at the wing. Our PF situation might be bad, but the players themselves are not. Right now a lot of good players are really struggling. Look at Curry going 2-10 from 3 in back to back games. The real season starts in a few weeks when the players learn the system and start playing team ball. We saw improved defense against the Jazz and we quit on the back end of a back to back against the Lakers. You all are panicking over nothing.

BTW, when Beasley finds his shooting stroke (you know it’s gonna happen,) we will be much stronger than we look with him ice cold from 3.

The only reason he's been "ice cold" or cold at all is the broken offense this team is showing right now. Whether time will help them find the "system" or not Idk, you might be right. If there is a system that is. It may just be the sales play of guys like Culver/Edwards/Okogie right now. The true offense of this team isn't here yet, you are right. But unless a trade occurs it may never, so it's hard to visualize it yet.

Ice cold btw led the team in scoring game one win on a weak percentage. I shudder to think what 38-40% 3pt Beasley could do with a season of them playing wise basektball here. Hope they can realize that this season and stop yanking our chain with developing rookies so much.

[winforlose]

Why do you guys assume the season is over? We don’t know KAT is gonna miss more than a few weeks. As good as Okogie is, we have a ton of depth at the wing. Our PF situation might be bad, but the players themselves are not. Right now a lot of good players are really struggling. Look at Curry going 2-10 from 3 in back to back games. The real season starts in a few weeks when the players learn the system and start playing team ball. We saw improved defense against the Jazz and we quit on the back end of a back to back against the Lakers. You all are panicking over nothing.

BTW, when Beasley finds his shooting stroke (you know it’s gonna happen,) we will be much stronger than we look with him ice cold from 3.

Beasley will be missing games also when he gets suspended, maybe more than 5? The Wolves looked bad without Kat and all Western teams look good (even Sacramento and OKC)

Beasley might not get suspended at all. He took a deal which essentially downgraded the charge to a misdemeanor. There is an excellent case to be made that he did not commit a felony (thus why the prosecution and the judge were willing to convert the charge to a misdemeanor pending successful probation.) No felony means no automatic suspension.

The wolves looked bad because they quit. Kuzma unloaded four threes in like 3 minutes (6 total to start the game for the lakers.) between the early onslaught, how tired our guys looked and the Okogie injury we just gave up. Granted this is a failure of coaching that won’t get fixed this season (unless we fire Ryan,) but one game is not a pattern.

[winforlose]

Why do you guys assume the season is over? We don’t know KAT is gonna miss more than a few weeks. As good as Okogie is, we have a ton of depth at the wing. Our PF situation might be bad, but the players themselves are not. Right now a lot of good players are really struggling. Look at Curry going 2-10 from 3 in back to back games. The real season starts in a few weeks when the players learn the system and start playing team ball. We saw improved defense against the Jazz and we quit on the back end of a back to back against the Lakers. You all are panicking over nothing.

BTW, when Beasley finds his shooting stroke (you know it’s gonna happen,) we will be much stronger than we look with him ice cold from 3.

The only reason he's been "ice cold" or cold at all is the broken offense this team is showing right now. Whether time will help them find the "system" or not Idk, you might be right. If there is a system that is. It may just be the sales play of guys like Culver/Edwards/Okogie right now. The true offense of this team isn't here yet, you are right. But unless a trade occurs it may never, so it's hard to visualize it yet.

Ice cold btw led the team in scoring game one win on a weak percentage. I shudder to think what 38-40% 3pt Beasley could do with a season of them playing wise basektball here. Hope they can realize that this season and stop yanking our chain with developing rookies so much.

I think we both agree that the short ramp up has really thrown a lot of guys around the league off their game. For us, we are pace team. Pushing the pace messes with both teams shots when the players don’t have their full wind yet. I think Beasley, Dlo, and hopefully Edwards will all improve their shooting percentage from deep as the season progresses. Culver having one bad game is not data. Nor is him having 2 good games. Culver needs to prove he can consistently make 3s and he needs to improve around the rim. Rubio also needs to be better at consistently hitting 3s or teams will double off on Beasley or Edwards and the offense will stall. When you live by the 3 you better hit them or you will die by the 3.

[Jedzz]

Why do you guys assume the season is over? We don’t know KAT is gonna miss more than a few weeks. As good as Okogie is, we have a ton of depth at the wing. Our PF situation might be bad, but the players themselves are not. Right now a lot of good players are really struggling. Look at Curry going 2-10 from 3 in back to back games. The real season starts in a few weeks when the players learn the system and start playing team ball. We saw improved defense against the Jazz and we quit on the back end of a back to back against the Lakers. You all are panicking over nothing.

BTW, when Beasley finds his shooting stroke (you know it’s gonna happen,) we will be much stronger than we look with him ice cold from 3.

The only reason he's been "ice cold" or cold at all is the broken offense this team is showing right now. Whether time will help them find the "system" or not Idk, you might be right. If there is a system that is. It may just be the sales play of guys like Culver/Edwards/Okogie right now. The true offense of this team isn't here yet, you are right. But unless a trade occurs it may never, so it's hard to visualize it yet.

Ice cold btw led the team in scoring game one win on a weak percentage. I shudder to think what 38-40% 3pt Beasley could do with a season of them playing wise basektball here. Hope they can realize that this season and stop yanking our chain with developing rookies so much.

I think we both agree that the short ramp up has really thrown a lot of guys around the league off their game. For us, we are pace team. Pushing the pace messes with both teams shots when the players don’t have their full wind yet. I think Beasley, Dlo, and hopefully Edwards will all improve their shooting percentage from deep as the season progresses. Culver having one bad game is not data. Nor is him having 2 good games. Culver needs to prove he can consistently make 3s and he needs to improve around the rim. Rubio also needs to be better at consistently hitting 3s or teams will double off on Beasley or Edwards and the offense will stall. When you live by the 3 you better hit them or you will die by the 3.

I agree. Which is why I wanted them to draft a more consistent 3pt shooter to use early on. A 3 and D that could play early would have been so easy to target this past draft. My hope resides in McDaniel's right now but depends if they will play him or slo roll him. Getting sick of this current logjam and inexperienced kids leading our offensvie possessions though.

[winforlose]

The only reason he's been "ice cold" or cold at all is the broken offense this team is showing right now. Whether time will help them find the "system" or not Idk, you might be right. If there is a system that is. It may just be the sales play of guys like Culver/Edwards/Okogie right now. The true offense of this team isn't here yet, you are right. But unless a trade occurs it may never, so it's hard to visualize it yet.

Ice cold btw led the team in scoring game one win on a weak percentage. I shudder to think what 38-40% 3pt Beasley could do with a season of them playing wise basektball here. Hope they can realize that this season and stop yanking our chain with developing rookies so much.

I think we both agree that the short ramp up has really thrown a lot of guys around the league off their game. For us, we are pace team. Pushing the pace messes with both teams shots when the players don’t have their full wind yet. I think Beasley, Dlo, and hopefully Edwards will all improve their shooting percentage from deep as the season progresses. Culver having one bad game is not data. Nor is him having 2 good games. Culver needs to prove he can consistently make 3s and he needs to improve around the rim. Rubio also needs to be better at consistently hitting 3s or teams will double off on Beasley or Edwards and the offense will stall. When you live by the 3 you better hit them or you will die by the 3.

I agree. Which is why I wanted them to draft a more consistent 3pt shooter to use early on. A 3 and D that could play early would have been so easy to target this past draft. My hope resides in McDaniel's right now but depends if they will play him or slo roll him. Getting sick of this current logjam and inexperienced kids leading our offensvie possessions though.

Between you and me, I was screaming at my TV on draft night. I wanted Wiseman, a PF at 17 or trade up to get a good power forward depending on who was available and what was affordable (would have offered layman who is on a team friendly contract and adds depth at the wing,) and would have kept our second in the hopes of getting someone like Jayden (who might have still been there.) But, Glen wanted to dodge the tax and forced us to make a series of dumb trades and essentially gave away our second round pick. I wasn’t a fan of the draft and stash either, especially reading about him on Canis hoopus. They argue if he got a lot better he might make a good g league player.

[Merc_Porto]

The fake depth we like to think about it is only about our guard and SF positions.

When you use logic and reality there are a few things you have to think about it...

Fist of all if you have 6 guys for 3 positions

SF: Okogie, Culver
SG: Beasley, Edwards
PG: Dlo, Rubio

You can only use them 24 MPG at each position but then reality strikes again. Not one of those guy is really going to play 24 minutes per game, again, not one. Which means you have to start play guys off- position, playing small ball, being undersized all the time. Even if you go with the narrative of 1-3-1 or whatever.

All of this without even counting with Layman and Juancho (this one got a considerable contract this past off-season)

The problem is when is so much money attached to this positions and the reality strikes again and again.

There's no minutes for everybody and there a huge lack of quality in the CE and PF positions.

Trading Dlo is not really an option unfortunely for two reasons. We are not getting equal value with his contract. Banana crew narrative.

Beasley can't be traded until February.

Who is left?
Has to be Culver (Rosas pick) and Edwards. With Culver getting equal value is a tough task IMO. With Edwards i don't think Rosas is ready to give up on him already. Me either.

So, we are predictable f×cked.

[Dual]

People is actually voting for tank

[winforlose]

The fake depth we like to think about it is only about our guard and SF positions.

When you use logic and reality there are a few things you have to think about it...

Fist of all if you have 6 guys for 3 positions

SF: Okogie, Culver
SG: Beasley, Edwards
PG: Dlo, Rubio

You can only use them 24 MPG at each position but then reality strikes again. Not one of those guy is really going to play 24 minutes per game, again, not one. Which means you have to start play guys off- position, playing small ball, being undersized all the time. Even if you go with the narrative of 1-3-1 or whatever.

All of this without even counting with Layman and Juancho (this one got a considerable contract this past off-season)

The problem is when is so much money attached to this positions and the reality strikes again and again.

There's no minutes for everybody and there a huge lack of quality in the CE and PF positions.

Trading Dlo is not really an option unfortunely for two reasons. We are not getting equal value with his contract. Banana crew narrative.

Beasley can't be traded until February.

Who is left?
Has to be Culver (Rosas pick) and Edwards. With Culver getting equal value is a tough task IMO. With Edwards i don't think Rosas is ready to give up on him already. Me either.

So, we are predictable f×cked.

We are actually 3 deep in those 3 positions and thus Okogie missing some time is not catastrophic. Nowell is also out so JMAC is next man up. Layman can also play the 3 and does it better than the 4. Naz is not as good as Gorgui but he is a fraction of the cost and has higher upside when trained. For a backup Center is passable. Davis is better than he is showing but still not good enough. Vanderbilt can play the 5 and will likely see some minutes there when Davis is in foul trouble. This leaves the 4. You are correct that we are thin at the 4. JH did not come to play yet this season. The game against the Lakers would be considered a bad game for JH compared to last seasons standards. Yet, there is a reason we paid him 7 million. When he is on his game he is a decent PF. Layman was also more successful last season. McDaniels could also play it later in the season in a pinch. The true 4 of the future is Edwards. He has the frame and the wingspan, and we love small ball. Eventually Edwards will start beside Dlo, Beasley, Okogie, and KAT. In the meantime, we need Dlo and Beasley to earn their money and lead the team until KAT is back. They did it last season under difficult circumstances, they can do it again.

[Merc_Porto]

We are actually 3 deep in those 3 positions and thus Okogie missing some time is not catastrophic. Nowell is also out so JMAC is next man up. Layman can also play the 3 and does it better than the 4. Naz is not as good as Gorgui but he is a fraction of the cost and has higher upside when trained. For a backup Center is passable. Davis is better than he is showing but still not good enough. Vanderbilt can play the 5 and will likely see some minutes there when Davis is in foul trouble. This leaves the 4. You are correct that we are thin at the 4. JH did not come to play yet this season. The game against the Lakers would be considered a bad game for JH compared to last seasons standards. Yet, there is a reason we paid him 7 million. When he is on his game he is a decent PF. Layman was also more successful last season. McDaniels could also play it later in the season in a pinch. The true 4 of the future is Edwards. He has the frame and the wingspan, and we love small ball. Eventually Edwards will start beside Dlo, Beasley, Okogie, and KAT. In the meantime, we need Dlo and Beasley to earn their money and lead the team until KAT is back. They did it last season under difficult circumstances, they can do it again.

Dlo and Beasley led the team for #1 pick last year, nothing more. Beasley was on a contract year, lets not forget that.
With JH, also on a contract year last year... Take a look how bad he was in Denver man.
He's 25 yo, still young but not that young to be a more than a rotation guy at best.

And i sure hope Edwards doesnt become a 4 by any means. Small-ball is a moment of the games. Not a style of play you should be looking on a winning team. Not even for 50% of the games.

[Jedzz]

The fake depth we like to think about it is only about our guard and SF positions.

When you use logic and reality there are a few things you have to think about it...

Fist of all if you have 6 guys for 3 positions

SF: Okogie, Culver
SG: Beasley, Edwards
PG: Dlo, Rubio

You can only use them 24 MPG at each position but then reality strikes again. Not one of those guy is really going to play 24 minutes per game, again, not one. Which means you have to start play guys off- position, playing small ball, being undersized all the time. Even if you go with the narrative of 1-3-1 or whatever.

All of this without even counting with Layman and Juancho (this one got a considerable contract this past off-season)

The problem is when is so much money attached to this positions and the reality strikes again and again.

There's no minutes for everybody and there a huge lack of quality in the CE and PF positions.

Trading Dlo is not really an option unfortunely for two reasons. We are not getting equal value with his contract. Banana crew narrative.

Beasley can't be traded until February.

Who is left?
Has to be Culver (Rosas pick) and Edwards. With Culver getting equal value is a tough task IMO. With Edwards i don't think Rosas is ready to give up on him already. Me either.

So, we are predictable f×cked.

It comes down to your last about Culver/Edwards. Either you are a team willing to develop for another 3 to 4 years with these guys, or you trade their value/potential for a player/players that can truly elevate this team now into something real

[Merc_Porto]

It comes down to your last about Culver/Edwards. Either you are a team willing to develop for another 3 to 4 years with these guys, or you trade their value/potential for a player/players that can truly elevate this team now into something real

Agreed. It fells like Rosas wants to have everything without giving anything.
He went for a path of winning right now while trying to develop the young guys at same time.

And all of this with the logjam of positions we know we have. Even if it was a matter of develop guys in a balanced team, ok i would understand. But hes trying to develop guys in positions stacked where there is no minutes for everyone.

So yes, i believe he is "in love" with the assets he has and chose. If he wasnt, I believe he would have already done a few trades.