Minnesota Timberwolves Trade Deadline Map

winforlose · Post #41 » by **winforlose** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:11 am

Sometimes an injury is an injury. Dlo says he is having leg issues, why not give him the benefit of the doubt. He wants to play with KAT, he knew KAT was coming back. Honestly, this is not a general soreness move. Especially when getting a bad reputation with another organization hurts his options in getting out.

The wolves are broken, but not that broken. They have plenty of tools on the utility belt, but they need a proper Batman to know when to use them. They also need to do away with ridiculous height restrictions that are killing their rebounding and undermining their potential. For example, why not take out who was 3 for 13 and replace him with Naz who was having a whale of a game. Simple answer, because playing KAT, Naz, and MCD is too much height at once. Winning against the small ball grain would be dangerous.

We have a ton of young talent ready to win, but what we need is more size at the PF and C. Naz and KAT should both be playing the 4 and we need to strong rebounding centers who can score. Odds are we can only get one anytime soon, so be it, but cutting dead weight like Rubio and Juancho from the salary would really help. Trading them to Boston or GSW or anywhere that would take them is the first step.

shrink · Post #42 » by **shrink** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:21 am

winforlose wrote:They have plenty of tools on the utility belt, but they need a proper Batman to know when to use them.

Awesome.

This has to be the most quotable day I can remember on the Wolves board.

Jedzz · Post #43 » by **Jedzz** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:27 am

winforlose wrote:Sometimes an injury is an injury. Dlo says he is having leg issues, why not give him the benefit of the doubt. He wants to play with KAT, he knew KAT was coming back. Honestly, this is not a general soreness move. Especially when getting a bad reputation with another organization hurts his options in getting out.

The wolves are broken, but not that broken. They have plenty of tools on the utility belt, but they need a proper Batman to know when to use them. They also need to do away with ridiculous height restrictions that are killing their rebounding and undermining their potential. For example, why not take out who was 3 for 13 and replace him with Naz who was having a whale of a game. Simple answer, because playing KAT, Naz, and MCD is too much height at once. Winning against the small ball grain would be dangerous.

We have a ton of young talent ready to win, but what we need is more size at the PF and C. Naz and KAT should both be playing the 4 and we need to strong rebounding centers who can score. Odds are we can only get one anytime soon, so be it, but cutting dead weight like Rubio and Juancho from the salary would really help. Trading them to Boston or GSW or anywhere that would take them is the first step.

Trade whatever PG and Guard or assets for Vucevic then. Play Kat next to Him. Then run three PG wannabees alongside them, don't care. They won't have to worry about rebounds and second chances on our team or the opponents if they do that. With Fultz damaged again, they could use a PG. Seems like we have 8 players claiming to be one.

Vuc 2020-21 so far is 75-181 on 3s, 41.4%

Vuc
Kat
McDaniels

Pick the four whatever guards you want to keep and sell the rest. Enough of this stupid plan of his.

winforlose · Post #44 » by **winforlose** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:33 am

Jedzz wrote:
winforlose wrote:Sometimes an injury is an injury. Dlo says he is having leg issues, why not give him the benefit of the doubt. He wants to play with KAT, he knew KAT was coming back. Honestly, this is not a general soreness move. Especially when getting a bad reputation with another organization hurts his options in getting out.

The wolves are broken, but not that broken. They have plenty of tools on the utility belt, but they need a proper Batman to know when to use them. They also need to do away with ridiculous height restrictions that are killing their rebounding and undermining their potential. For example, why not take out who was 3 for 13 and replace him with Naz who was having a whale of a game. Simple answer, because playing KAT, Naz, and MCD is too much height at once. Winning against the small ball grain would be dangerous.

We have a ton of young talent ready to win, but what we need is more size at the PF and C. Naz and KAT should both be playing the 4 and we need to strong rebounding centers who can score. Odds are we can only get one anytime soon, so be it, but cutting dead weight like Rubio and Juancho from the salary would really help. Trading them to Boston or GSW or anywhere that would take them is the first step.

Trade whatever PG and Guard or assets for Vucevic then. Play Kat next to Him. Then run three PG wannabees alongside them, don't care. They won't have to worry about rebounds and second chances on our team or the opponents if they do that. With Fultz damaged again, they could use a PG. Seems like we have 8 players claiming to be one.

Vuc 2020-21 so far is 75-181 on 3s, 41.4%

Everyone wants Vuc, our odds of getting him are next to zero. I would offer them Culver, Okogie, Rubio and Juancho to get him, but I doubt they do that.

Jedzz · Post #45 » by **Jedzz** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:51 am

winforlose wrote:
Everyone wants Vuc, our odds of getting him are next to zero. I would offer them Culver, Okogie, Rubio and Juancho to get him, but I doubt they do that.

Sometimes you have to be willing to give something decent up to get something decent. This team is in the rare case of having plenty of overload in some areas. No need to keep them all. I swear JMac is probably better than any PG the Wizards have right now but he might ruin their tank if they are going that route. They are sitting on Mo Bamba who could use minutes. They lost Gordon to high ankle. Present a scenario that helps both teams.

winforlose · Post #46 » by **winforlose** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:00 am

Jedzz wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Everyone wants Vuc, our odds of getting him are next to zero. I would offer them Culver, Okogie, Rubio and Juancho to get him, but I doubt they do that.
Sometimes you have to be willing to give something decent up to get something decent. This team is in the rare case of having plenty of overload in some areas. No need to keep them all. I swear JMac is probably better than any PG the Wizards have right now. They are sitting on Mo Bamba who could use minutes. Present a scenario that helps both teams.

I honestly don’t follow. Who do you want us to give? Sending Dlo loses KAT and I am 100% against that. Also as I have said before, Dlo is very salvageable and is arguably our best PG since 03-04. Rubio is not good enough to replace him permanently even if KAT was not besties with Dlo. Also Jmac is a two way, he is not a starting NBA PG. he could be a useful backup long term, but his game is not good enough to be more than a 3rd string who gets 2nd string minutes when someone goes out.

Jedzz · Post #47 » by **Jedzz** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:03 am

IceManBK1 wrote:I doubt Rosas can get any major trades happen w/o us getting fleeced. Giving a top 3 protected pick for dlo is overpriced. I pray to God we stay in top 3 with this blatant tanking.

It had more to do with getting off Wiggins. You know this. Stop posting like you don't. But regardless, a single FRP that can't be the top 3 has never been worth even a good rotation player. Too much risk of busts for it to be so. A bird in the hand is always better than a single pick from 4-30. But praying that they tank and try to keep it is it's own risk to turning that protected pick into completely unprotected in 2022. You've got it though, risk in hand, because they have certainly tanked the season so far. Rejoice, you are getting what you want.

Jedzz · Post #48 » by **Jedzz** » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:10 am

winforlose wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Everyone wants Vuc, our odds of getting him are next to zero. I would offer them Culver, Okogie, Rubio and Juancho to get him, but I doubt they do that.
Sometimes you have to be willing to give something decent up to get something decent. This team is in the rare case of having plenty of overload in some areas. No need to keep them all. I swear JMac is probably better than any PG the Wizards have right now. They are sitting on Mo Bamba who could use minutes. Present a scenario that helps both teams.

I honestly don’t follow. Who do you want us to give? Sending Dlo loses KAT and I am 100% against that. Also as I have said before, Dlo is very salvageable and is arguably our best PG since 03-04. Rubio is not good enough to replace him permanently even if KAT was not besties with Dlo. Also Jmac is a two way, he is not a starting NBA PG. he could be a useful backup long term, but his game is not good enough to be more than a 3rd string who gets 2nd string minutes when someone goes out.

Yeah, let's start another Jmac argument, not. I'm not having that conversion with any more idiots. I don't give a shinola what you think of him I know he's better than their PGs.

Who do I want to offer? I don't frankly care at this point. But if you want Vuc, you offer up something decent that Orlando could use. As said, they already have Mo Bamba who could fill their minutes during the remaining tank job. All Orlando needs is a decent offer, not our table scraps. Since we have the logjam, it's time to take your pick and stop hording. Edwards, Culver, Beasely, Okogie, JMac, Rubio, or some combination of this set could be offered. I don't care which. Just make the decision. It would suck to lose Beasley, but then all the idiots can pray to Edwards every night like they want. Or trade Edwards, he's not as valuable or proven yet as Vuc. I really don't care. I would hate to see McDaniels go because he's not in a logjam and he could rule the 3 or 4 here soon. But that's another position of need for Orlando and we would be adding a monster big so...could go that route. Whatever. Everyone just needs to stop hording and telling us how they are willing only to trade our worst players.

UnFadeable21 · Post #49 » by **UnFadeable21** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:19 pm

Who gets moved?

I’m sure Rubio wants out but no team is going to want his contract.

The most likely guys would be Juancho and Layman but they have little no value.

Culver and Okogie probably have some value around the league.

Baseline81 · Post #50 » by **Baseline81** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:49 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:Who gets moved?

I’m sure Rubio wants out but no team is going to want his contract.

The most likely guys would be Juancho and Layman but they have little no value.

Culver and Okogie probably have some value around the league.

I think it will be Rubio. The trade won't bring back a starter but rather an expiring contract.

Dewey · Post #51 » by **Dewey** » Mon Mar 1, 2021 11:59 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:Who gets moved?

I’m sure Rubio wants out but no team is going to want his contract.

The most likely guys would be Juancho and Layman but they have little no value.

Culver and Okogie probably have some value around the league.

The dynamic duo that was recently 0-8?

UnFadeable21 · Post #52 » by **UnFadeable21** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 12:03 am

Dewey wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:Who gets moved?

I’m sure Rubio wants out but no team is going to want his contract.

The most likely guys would be Juancho and Layman but they have little no value.

Culver and Okogie probably have some value around the league.

The dynamic duo that was recently 0-8?

Still young and on rookie contracts

SmokeyPaw · Post #53 » by **SmokeyPaw** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 1:12 am

Rubio is likely competing with Bledsoe in trade negotiations. Will make it harder to get a decent return.

One scenario mentioned on the trade board is Prince for Rubio. Rubio is a better player but Prince is a 4 and would save some money. Hope we could do better.

shrink · Post #54 » by **shrink** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 1:12 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Dewey wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:Who gets moved?

I’m sure Rubio wants out but no team is going to want his contract.

The most likely guys would be Juancho and Layman but they have little no value.

Culver and Okogie probably have some value around the league.

The dynamic duo that was recently 0-8?

Still young and on rookie contracts

Agreed. And the only benefit if Wiggins does well is that other GM’s may think they can rehab a player stuck in MIN’s culture.

Cbfalcon · Post #55 » by **Cbfalcon** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:16 am

What about Rubio for Pat Bev and filler?

Gives Clippers a better backup PG, facilitator and the Wolves a guy both Rosas/Finch are familiar with.

Rookie-Mistake · Post #56 » by **Rookie-Mistake** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:19 am

We just need more two way players...

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shrink · Post #57 » by **shrink** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 4:37 am

Cbfalcon wrote:What about Rubio for Pat Bev and filler?

Gives Clippers a better backup PG, facilitator and the Wolves a guy both Rosas/Finch are familiar with.

I don’t see the motivation for MIN.

LAC is so far over the lux, they can’t even compensate us by taking on the extra salary - they need to send an additional player, and that uses up our roster slot.

Cbfalcon · Post #58 » by **Cbfalcon** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 5:47 am

What are we saving our spot for?

Rookie-Mistake · Post #59 » by **Rookie-Mistake** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 10:36 am

Who from Toronto are we poaching?

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Sugarless · Post #60 » by **Sugarless** » Tue Mar 2, 2021 1:17 pm

shrink wrote:
Cbfalcon wrote:What about Rubio for Pat Bev and filler?

Gives Clippers a better backup PG, facilitator and the Wolves a guy both Rosas/Finch are familiar with.

I don’t see the motivation for MIN.

LAC is so far over the lux, they can’t even compensate us by taking on the extra salary - they need to send an additional player, and that uses up our roster slot.

Since the main intention of keeping that roster spot open is to have some flexibility to make trades before the deadline, I think this would be precisely the type of situation where you go ahead and use it.

If we're being realistic, if there's one main piece that's going to be traded by the Wolves at the deadline it's likely to be Ricky. Not Russell, not Beasley, not Edwards or KAT. Every other guy on the roster is on a small contract and not good enough to make it necessary to receive more players than the Wolves are sending in a trade. And Minnesota is not hoping to become players in the buyout market to make a playoff run, so they don't need to keep that spot open past the deadline.

The only tiny issue with the Clippers trade is that there'd need to be a third team to take on a small contract, unless Minnesota is willing to cut someone like Ed Davis. The Clippers don't have a contract that they can send with Beverley to make it a 2x1 unless they include Kennard (which they're not doing), so it needs to be a 3x1, like Bev + Pat Pat+ Oturu, who would make a ton of sense for Minnesota as he'd be coming back 'home', there's a clear need for a guy like him inside and he's another young prospect to look at while the Wolves' rebuild around Russell and Towns.

Beyond getting Oturu, there'd be other incentives for the Wolves in such a trade:

- It would help their image by doing the right thing with Ricky.

- They'd bring in Beverley who would give them a tough edge (he's way past his prime as a defender and I truly dislike him for how dirty he is, but he still has a reputation) and, more importantly, another shooter that doesn't need the ball in his hands and can fit nicely into that 25 MPG role that Ricky has right now. And like Cbfalcon said, he's a guy that Rosas and Finch know well.

- If things don't work out with Beverley, he's a guy that could get them one or two 2nds next summer, when he becomes an expiring and some playoff teams may see him as a valuable piece for their aspirations.

This 3-team trade with the Clippers and Hornets (who're operating below the cap and have one roster spot open) could work for everyone involved:

- MIN OUT: Rubio + Cash / MIN IN: Beverley + Oturu
- LAC OUT: Beverley + Oturu + Patterson / LAC IN: Rubio
- CHA OUT: no one / CHA IN: Patterson + Cash