Trade Talk (Part Eight)

[KGdaBom]

Prolly need to start a long list of what bad contracts really are … who’s they are … and where they are. At this point, this is prolly the only exercise that would lay out the reality. Pretty certain it will stop the whining about how bad Simmons deal is.

I was surprised to see this, but Ben Simmons came in as the tenth worst contract.

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/list-worst-current-nba-contracts-76ers-ben-simmons-tobias-harris

Eddie Bitar of Fadeaway World put together a list of the top ten current worst contracts in the NBA. Although several NBA teams are involved, only the Sixers appear on the list twice as they currently have Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris locked into significant multi-year deals.

Coming in at the 10th spot is the disgruntled guard, Ben Simmons. Just a couple of offseasons ago, the Sixers banked on Simmons' ability to be a cornerstone of the franchise by offering him a max contract after shipping off Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat in a sign-and-trade.

After missing the postseason due to injury two seasons ago and having a disappointing second-round series last season, Bitar suggests that Simmons being a "liability on the floor in crunch time" is a valid reason to consider him overpaid.

"Simmons is a liability on the floor in crunch time, which is very strange for the team's best playmaker and starting point guard. Unless Simmons can get out of his own head and improve his shooting from all over the floor, he will never be worth the max money he will receive over the next 4 years."

Simmons being considered overpaid is a new trend this offseason. However, the next Sixers player on the list has been a regular on many lists like this ever since he inked a max contract with the 76ers a couple of offseasons ago.

I wouldn’t put Simmons in my bottom ten, but I think we should stop insulting people who have different views on his contract, whatever they are. People can rationally disagree on this topic.

Inside the worst 10? Maybe...

I think that is a bit high, but 15-20 is right in his range before FA, but I guess I would have to go through everything. He is a bad contract!!!

First of all Ben Simmons is a person. He's not a contract. He has a contract.
His contract is just fine. You seem to believe your saying his contract is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes it a fact.

[_AIJ_]

I was surprised to see this, but Ben Simmons came in as the tenth worst contract.

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/list-worst-current-nba-contracts-76ers-ben-simmons-tobias-harris



I wouldn’t put Simmons in my bottom ten, but I think we should stop insulting people who have different views on his contract, whatever they are. People can rationally disagree on this topic.

Inside the worst 10? Maybe...

I think that is a bit high, but 15-20 is right in his range before FA, but I guess I would have to go through everything. He is a bad contract!!!

First of all Ben Simmons is a person. He's not a contract. He has a contract.
His contract is just fine. You seem to believe your saying his contract is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes it a fact.

Dont mind them bud

[SO_MONEY]

I was surprised to see this, but Ben Simmons came in as the tenth worst contract.

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/list-worst-current-nba-contracts-76ers-ben-simmons-tobias-harris



I wouldn’t put Simmons in my bottom ten, but I think we should stop insulting people who have different views on his contract, whatever they are. People can rationally disagree on this topic.

Inside the worst 10? Maybe...

I think that is a bit high, but 15-20 is right in his range before FA, but I guess I would have to go through everything. He is a bad contract!!!

First of all Ben Simmons is a person. He's not a contract. He has a contract.
His contract is just fine. You seem to believe your saying his contract is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes it a fact.

He is a bad contract. Player and contract are irreversibility linked and are one in the same.

[Nick K]

The funny thing is the chatter about Simmons being such a negative contract never really started until this postseason. If it was so bad, it would've been bad before.

Except Simmons was exposed worse than any player I can remember in the final game of their playoffs. Contract value is based on future money vs future expected value. If a player got injured in the playoffs, we would reassess the value of his contract.

I don’t think Simmons is an extremely bad contract, but I have yet to hear anyone assure me that opposing coaches won’t play “Hack-a-Ben” in close games?

Let them play Hack a Ben. So what. His FT shooting isn't that bad to completely wipe out all of his great points.

Do you ever acknowledge any of his many weak points? We're not talking LeBron or Kawhi here. I was a huge Simmons fan when he came out. I thought he'd be all world but he hasn't improved a lick. Any player that can't shoot in the modern NBA can't be regarded as a truly great player. He can pass, defend and drive to the basket. That's it! He also seems to be a soft player and fragile mentally. All that gives me pause.

That said, I think he makes us a better team in some ways. No doubt. You also have to deduct the cost of getting him against that. If we could get him and still keep Kat, Ant, Dlo and McD I'm all for it.

One other thing, have you considered the kind of player he'd be playing out of position at the 4 without the ball in his hands? Also he'd be the 4th option. How would that affect his numbers? Can he be a super strong rebounder and score inside? I'd like your opinion.

Make no mistake about it, as time goes on Philly's bargaining position goes down. It already has. Philly is in a pickle with this guy who doesn't want to be back. Do you think other teams are aware of that? Philly won't get everything they want.

I'd just as soon try for Turner at a far lower price or wait for the trade deadline where we just might get the PF we need at a great price.

[gandlogo]

The concerns about hack-a-Ben may be a little overblown. I just checked the highlights of the last three Eastern Conference Finals and not a single team employed that strategy.

[KGdaBom]

Inside the worst 10? Maybe...

I think that is a bit high, but 15-20 is right in his range before FA, but I guess I would have to go through everything. He is a bad contract!!!

First of all Ben Simmons is a person. He's not a contract. He has a contract.
His contract is just fine. You seem to believe your saying his contract is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes it a fact.

He is a bad contract. Player and contract are irreversibility linked and are one in the same.

You've got everything wrong. He is a person. A person is not a contract. Why do you want to double down on that ridiculous statement. Also irreversibility is not a word and even if you got the word right irreversibly it wouldn't make sense. Maybe you were looking for irrevocably linked which still doesn't make much sense but is a better choice. The other part you got wrong is debatable, but in the world of NBA sports entertainment his contract is just fine.

[KGdaBom]

Except Simmons was exposed worse than any player I can remember in the final game of their playoffs. Contract value is based on future money vs future expected value. If a player got injured in the playoffs, we would reassess the value of his contract.

I don’t think Simmons is an extremely bad contract, but I have yet to hear anyone assure me that opposing coaches won’t play “Hack-a-Ben” in close games?

Let them play Hack a Ben. So what. His FT shooting isn't that bad to completely wipe out all of his great points.

Do you ever acknowledge any of his many weak points? We're not talking LeBron or Kawhi here. I was a huge Simmons fan when he came out. I thought he'd be all world but he hasn't improved a lick. Any player that can't shoot in the modern NBA can't be regarded as a truly great player. He can pass, defend and drive to the basket. That's it! He also seems to be a soft player and fragile mentally. All that gives me pause.

That said, I think he makes us a better team in some ways. No doubt. You also have to deduct the cost of getting him against that. If we could get him and still keep Kat, Ant, Dlo and McD I'm all for it.

One other thing, have you considered the kind of player he'd be playing out of position at the 4 without the ball in his hands? Also he'd be the 4th option. How would that affect his numbers? Can he be a super strong rebounder and score inside? I'd like your opinion.

Make no mistake about it, as time goes on Philly's bargaining position goes down. It already has. Philly is in a pickle with this guy who doesn't want to be back. Do you think other teams are aware of that? Philly won't get everything they want.

I'd just as soon try for Turner at a far lower price or wait for the trade deadline where we just might get the PF we need at a great price.

I'm not even a particularly big fan of his. I'm just battling all the ridiculousness around here acting like he's crap. We can trade for him or not. I don't care.
I've always acknowledged his single weakness. Not many weaknesses.
He's a poor shooter outside of 8 feet. Seriously that's his only weakness unless he is mentally fragile as you claim. I really doubt that. He's been made a scape goat for Philly blowing the series to Atlanta despite being a positive net in 6 of those games and neutral in one. Due to this I think trading for him might be a good idea as we might get him for below his true value.

[shangrila]

Prolly need to start a long list of what bad contracts really are … who’s they are … and where they are. At this point, this is prolly the only exercise that would lay out the reality. Pretty certain it will stop the whining about how bad Simmons deal is.

I was surprised to see this, but Ben Simmons came in as the tenth worst contract.

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/list-worst-current-nba-contracts-76ers-ben-simmons-tobias-harris

Eddie Bitar of Fadeaway World put together a list of the top ten current worst contracts in the NBA. Although several NBA teams are involved, only the Sixers appear on the list twice as they currently have Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris locked into significant multi-year deals.

Coming in at the 10th spot is the disgruntled guard, Ben Simmons. Just a couple of offseasons ago, the Sixers banked on Simmons' ability to be a cornerstone of the franchise by offering him a max contract after shipping off Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat in a sign-and-trade.

After missing the postseason due to injury two seasons ago and having a disappointing second-round series last season, Bitar suggests that Simmons being a "liability on the floor in crunch time" is a valid reason to consider him overpaid.

"Simmons is a liability on the floor in crunch time, which is very strange for the team's best playmaker and starting point guard. Unless Simmons can get out of his own head and improve his shooting from all over the floor, he will never be worth the max money he will receive over the next 4 years."

Simmons being considered overpaid is a new trend this offseason. However, the next Sixers player on the list has been a regular on many lists like this ever since he inked a max contract with the 76ers a couple of offseasons ago.

I wouldn’t put Simmons in my bottom ten, but I think we should stop insulting people who have different views on his contract, whatever they are. People can rationally disagree on this topic.

People like yourself need to put a number on what you would pay him then.

So there's the question; what would you pay, on the open market, for a 25yr old 6-11 PG that's a 3x NBA All Star, 1 time All NBA 3rd Team, 2x All NBA Defensive First Team, 2020 NBA steals leader with career averages of 15.9ppg, 8.1rpg, 7.7apg on a .560 eFG%, .579 TS% and with a .156 WS/48?

[SO_MONEY]

First of all Ben Simmons is a person. He's not a contract. He has a contract.
His contract is just fine. You seem to believe your saying his contract is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes it a fact.

He is a bad contract. Player and contract are irreversibility linked and are one in the same.

You've got everything wrong. He is a person. A person is not a contract. Why do you want to double down on that ridiculous statement. Also irreversibility is not a word and even if you got the word right irreversibly it wouldn't make sense. Maybe you were looking for irrevocably linked which still doesn't make much sense but is a better choice. The other part you got wrong is debatable, but in the world of NBA sports entertainment his contract is just fine.

I don't care what word auto correct spits out because I am having issues with my phone or proximity sensor, you might think I should...but I don't.

Moreover, he is a thing, not a person in this context. He is a person on his own time, not when referred to as an asset. Not for this conversation, taxes or any of it. Thanks.

He is a bad contract.

[SO_MONEY]

Prolly need to start a long list of what bad contracts really are … who’s they are … and where they are. At this point, this is prolly the only exercise that would lay out the reality. Pretty certain it will stop the whining about how bad Simmons deal is.

I was surprised to see this, but Ben Simmons came in as the tenth worst contract.

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/list-worst-current-nba-contracts-76ers-ben-simmons-tobias-harris

Eddie Bitar of Fadeaway World put together a list of the top ten current worst contracts in the NBA. Although several NBA teams are involved, only the Sixers appear on the list twice as they currently have Ben Simmons and Tobias Harris locked into significant multi-year deals.

Coming in at the 10th spot is the disgruntled guard, Ben Simmons. Just a couple of offseasons ago, the Sixers banked on Simmons' ability to be a cornerstone of the franchise by offering him a max contract after shipping off Jimmy Butler to the Miami Heat in a sign-and-trade.

After missing the postseason due to injury two seasons ago and having a disappointing second-round series last season, Bitar suggests that Simmons being a "liability on the floor in crunch time" is a valid reason to consider him overpaid.

"Simmons is a liability on the floor in crunch time, which is very strange for the team's best playmaker and starting point guard. Unless Simmons can get out of his own head and improve his shooting from all over the floor, he will never be worth the max money he will receive over the next 4 years."

Simmons being considered overpaid is a new trend this offseason. However, the next Sixers player on the list has been a regular on many lists like this ever since he inked a max contract with the 76ers a couple of offseasons ago.

I wouldn’t put Simmons in my bottom ten, but I think we should stop insulting people who have different views on his contract, whatever they are. People can rationally disagree on this topic.

People like yourself need to put a number on what you would pay him then.

So there's the question; what would you pay, on the open market, for a 25yr old 6-11 PG that's a 3x NBA All Star, 1 time All NBA 3rd Team, 2x All NBA Defensive First Team, 2020 NBA steals leader with career averages of 15.9ppg, 8.1rpg, 7.7apg on a .560 eFG%, .579 TS% and with a .156 WS/48?

You are placing value on subjective often political awards. I don't think he deserves to be an all-star, what does it matter that he was, because it wouldn't factor into what I would pay him. Same with All-NBA defense...are all of a sudden All-NBA caliber defenders worth less because they got snubbed?

I think $17-23mil is my comfortable range for him.

[Domejandro]

Eddie Bitar of "Fadeaway World" is not a reputable NBA analyst, and apparently for good reason after looking at this list.



Eric Bledsoe's one year (plus $3.9MM partial guarantee)? Gordon Hayward, who is worth every penny? No mention of Russell Westbrook's $44.2MM + $47.1MM albatross? No D'Angelo Russell?

I read a couple other of his clickbait articles, it's mediocre RealGM post quality stuff, in all honesty.

[KGdaBom]

He is a bad contract. Player and contract are irreversibility linked and are one in the same.

You've got everything wrong. He is a person. A person is not a contract. Why do you want to double down on that ridiculous statement. Also irreversibility is not a word and even if you got the word right irreversibly it wouldn't make sense. Maybe you were looking for irrevocably linked which still doesn't make much sense but is a better choice. The other part you got wrong is debatable, but in the world of NBA sports entertainment his contract is just fine.

I don't care what word auto correct spits out because I am having issues with my phone or proximity sensor, you might think I should...but I don't.

Moreover, he is a thing, not a person in this context. He is a person on his own time, not when referred to as an asset. Not for this conversation, taxes or any of it. Thanks.

He is a bad contract.

You can't blame it on autocorrect. That doesn't spit out fake words. I could say you are a thing for our RealGM interactions, but that would be demeaning. Referring to a basketball player as a thing is demeaning. You have now tripled down on your mistake.

[SO_MONEY]

You've got everything wrong. He is a person. A person is not a contract. Why do you want to double down on that ridiculous statement. Also irreversibility is not a word and even if you got the word right irreversibly it wouldn't make sense. Maybe you were looking for irrevocably linked which still doesn't make much sense but is a better choice. The other part you got wrong is debatable, but in the world of NBA sports entertainment his contract is just fine.

I don't care what word auto correct spits out because I am having issues with my phone or proximity sensor, you might think I should...but I don't.

Moreover, he is a thing, not a person in this context. He is a person on his own time, not when referred to as an asset. Not for this conversation, taxes or any of it. Thanks.

He is a bad contract.

You can't blame it on autocorrect. That doesn't spit out fake words. I could say you are a thing for our RealGM interactions, but that would be demeaning. Referring to a basketball player as a thing is demeaning. You have now tripled down on your mistake.

Irreversibility is a real word dude.

Get over yourself. Assets are things. Simmons is an asset in the context of the conversation. We are not talking about Ben Simmons the person, we are talking about Ben Simmons the asset.

[Krapinsky]

The concerns about hack-a-Ben may be a little overblown. I just checked the highlights of the last three Eastern Conference Finals and not a single team employed that strategy.

Imagine being a Wolves fan and worrying about one of our players being intentionally fouled in a hypothetical western conference finals match up and that being a reason against trading for a player.

[winforlose]

You've got everything wrong. He is a person. A person is not a contract. Why do you want to double down on that ridiculous statement. Also irreversibility is not a word and even if you got the word right irreversibly it wouldn't make sense. Maybe you were looking for irrevocably linked which still doesn't make much sense but is a better choice. The other part you got wrong is debatable, but in the world of NBA sports entertainment his contract is just fine.

I don't care what word auto correct spits out because I am having issues with my phone or proximity sensor, you might think I should...but I don't.

Moreover, he is a thing, not a person in this context. He is a person on his own time, not when referred to as an asset. Not for this conversation, taxes or any of it. Thanks.

He is a bad contract.

You can't blame it on autocorrect. That doesn't spit out fake words. I could say you are a thing for our RealGM interactions, but that would be demeaning. Referring to a basketball player as a thing is demeaning. You have now tripled down on your mistake.

This is coming from someone who values decency and civility on this forum and actually has a mostly negative history with So Money, so you know this is said with no particular agenda. Players are assets to the extent that they contract their services to our team. The term asset is correctly used in many professions when referring to people so long as their is a common knowledge understanding that the contract and not the individual is being referenced. While I see your point in drawing the distinction I honestly wonder if the argument is more semantic than anything else. I doubt So Money thinks of these men as property, and I doubt you think he means that. I myself have called contracts negative assets like Wiggins contract for example. I understand you may feel this is disrespectful and I respect your opinion, but at the end of the day the discussion is more toward the business side of the game. In context someone saying player X would be a bad contract is not reducing their value as a person to their profession, just evaluating their professional ability in relationship to the money they are being offered.

[KGdaBom]

I don't care what word auto correct spits out because I am having issues with my phone or proximity sensor, you might think I should...but I don't.

Moreover, he is a thing, not a person in this context. He is a person on his own time, not when referred to as an asset. Not for this conversation, taxes or any of it. Thanks.

He is a bad contract.

You can't blame it on autocorrect. That doesn't spit out fake words. I could say you are a thing for our RealGM interactions, but that would be demeaning. Referring to a basketball player as a thing is demeaning. You have now tripled down on your mistake.

Irreversibility is a real word dude.

Get over yourself. Assets are things. Simmons is an asset in the context of the conversation. We are not talking about Ben Simmons the person, we are talking about Ben Simmons the asset.

A human being is never a thing. You have quadrupled down on this really disgusting attitude. I guess irreversibility is a word according to the Merriam Webster dictionary. Here's the definition.
Irreversibility
Irreversibility is a stage in early child development in which a child falsely believes that actions cannot be reversed or undone. For example, if a three-year-old boy sees someone flatten a ball of play dough, he will not understand that the dough can easily be reformed into a ball. Children typically develop past this stage by age 7.

I guess it's possible that your autocorrect would put out that never used in conversation word. So what word did you mean to put in there?

[KGdaBom]

I don't care what word auto correct spits out because I am having issues with my phone or proximity sensor, you might think I should...but I don't.

Moreover, he is a thing, not a person in this context. He is a person on his own time, not when referred to as an asset. Not for this conversation, taxes or any of it. Thanks.

He is a bad contract.

You can't blame it on autocorrect. That doesn't spit out fake words. I could say you are a thing for our RealGM interactions, but that would be demeaning. Referring to a basketball player as a thing is demeaning. You have now tripled down on your mistake.

This is coming from someone who values decency and civility on this forum and actually has a mostly negative history with So Money, so you know this is said with no particular agenda. Players are assets to the extent that they contract their services to our team. The term asset is correctly used in many professions when referring to people so long as their is a common knowledge understanding that the contract and not the individual is being referenced. While I see your point in drawing the distinction I honestly wonder if the argument is more semantic than anything else. I doubt So Money thinks of these men as property, and I doubt you think he means that. I myself have called contracts negative assets like Wiggins contract for example. I understand you may feel this is disrespectful and I respect your opinion, but at the end of the day the discussion is more toward the business side of the game. In context someone saying player X would be a bad contract is not reducing their value as a person to their profession, just evaluating their professional ability in relationship to the money they are being offered.

I notice you said Wiggins contract. As in something apart from Wiggins himself. Yes So Money annoys the heck out of me so I'm taking issue with him where maybe I wouldn't take issue with somebody else.

[SO_MONEY]

You can't blame it on autocorrect. That doesn't spit out fake words. I could say you are a thing for our RealGM interactions, but that would be demeaning. Referring to a basketball player as a thing is demeaning. You have now tripled down on your mistake.

Irreversibility is a real word dude.

Get over yourself. Assets are things. Simmons is an asset in the context of the conversation. We are not talking about Ben Simmons the person, we are talking about Ben Simmons the asset.

A human being is never a thing. You have quadrupled down on this really disgusting attitude. I guess irreversibility is a word according to the Merriam Webster dictionary. Here's the definition.
Irreversibility
Irreversibility is a stage in early child development in which a child falsely believes that actions cannot be reversed or undone. For example, if a three-year-old boy sees someone flatten a ball of play dough, he will not understand that the dough can easily be reformed into a ball. Children typically develop past this stage by age 7.

I guess it's possible that your autocorrect would put out that never used in conversation word. So what word did you mean to put in there?

No. You are only looking at the psychological definition.

1. noun. the quality of being irreversible (once done it cannot be changed)

It is a word. Stop it.

I also find it intellectually offensive that you want me to call an asset a person... assets are not human beings!

[shangrila]

I was surprised to see this, but Ben Simmons came in as the tenth worst contract.

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/list-worst-current-nba-contracts-76ers-ben-simmons-tobias-harris



I wouldn’t put Simmons in my bottom ten, but I think we should stop insulting people who have different views on his contract, whatever they are. People can rationally disagree on this topic.

People like yourself need to put a number on what you would pay him then.

So there's the question; what would you pay, on the open market, for a 25yr old 6-11 PG that's a 3x NBA All Star, 1 time All NBA 3rd Team, 2x All NBA Defensive First Team, 2020 NBA steals leader with career averages of 15.9ppg, 8.1rpg, 7.7apg on a .560 eFG%, .579 TS% and with a .156 WS/48?

You are placing value on subjective often political awards. I don't think he deserves to be an all-star, what does it matter that he was, because it wouldn't factor into what I would pay him. Same with All-NBA defense...are all of a sudden All-NBA caliber defenders worth less because they got snubbed?

I think $17-23mil is my comfortable range for him.

Yeah, think I'm about done beating my head against the wall with this crap. Anything remotely in his favour gets handwaved away by you and your lot.

Near triple double career averages? Irrelevant, cause reasons.
Incredible advanced stats? Irrelevant, cause reasons.
Playoffs every season he's played? Irrelevant, cause reasons.
Individual accolades? Irrelevant, cause reasons.

With fans like this, we deserve to be a laughing stock.

[KGdaBom]

Irreversibility is a real word dude.

Get over yourself. Assets are things. Simmons is an asset in the context of the conversation. We are not talking about Ben Simmons the person, we are talking about Ben Simmons the asset.

A human being is never a thing. You have quadrupled down on this really disgusting attitude. I guess irreversibility is a word according to the Merriam Webster dictionary. Here's the definition.
Irreversibility
Irreversibility is a stage in early child development in which a child falsely believes that actions cannot be reversed or undone. For example, if a three-year-old boy sees someone flatten a ball of play dough, he will not understand that the dough can easily be reformed into a ball. Children typically develop past this stage by age 7.

I guess it's possible that your autocorrect would put out that never used in conversation word. So what word did you mean to put in there?

No. You are only looking at the psychological definition.

1. noun. the quality of being irreversible (once done it cannot be changed)

It is a word. Stop it.

I also find it intellectually offensive that you want me to call an asset a person... assets are not human beings!

I would guess that 99% of people have never used irreversibility in conversation. What was your intended word?
Also in this case the asset is a Human Being. They can be assets, but a human being is incapable of being a contract.